You very definitely can resist Shadowblades. I thought I noticed it once when we were first learning the fight (shadowblade graphic went after me, but I took no damage and debuffs did not reset) and then confirmed in the combat log after the fight that it was logged as a full resist by me.

If someone really wants me to prove it I can find the log on my hard disk somewhere, but it's definitely fully resistable. After that I started clicking off SR just in case it was related.

Definitely can be fully resisted:
21:01'18.234 Lady Sacrolash's Shadow Blades resisted by Hawtkarlz
21:01'42.625 Lady Sacrolash's Shadow Blades resisted by Undeadmagi
21:02'26.281 Lady Sacrolash's Shadow Blades resisted by Deep
21:02'49.218 Lady Sacrolash's Shadow Blades resisted by Flateous
21:03'00.218 Lady Sacrolash's Shadow Blades resisted by Snaglecratch

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Those classes are Shadow Priest, Fire Mage, Feral Druid, Combat Rogue, Warlock (tank.. no clue what spec, something w/ Soul Link).

I tank this for my guild, I always get earth shield and POM + whatever other pre healing buffs before the pull. I tank it with my current spec /w 18.3K buffed HP, I’ve never taken the first conflag, the only time I’ve been conflaged is when i messed up and didn’t retarget the grand warlock after putting elements on Lady Sac and ended up casting SP on her till i pulled agro. Fixed that with macros.

You can get 1 SP cast off between blazes, 2 if you have bloodlust, same in P1 and P2.
Here is a video of me tanking it if anyone is interested.

twins.avi - FileFront.com

When it's all said and done, ledge mishaps will probably be the most remembered aspect of Sunwell and will live in infamy. The Sac-Aly order will probably become the dominant method as it really is the easiest and yields the best loot.

Has anyone else found that the hunter ability Feign Death simple does not work on this encounter (ie: it doesn't dump any aggro)? We do Sacrolash first, and when we first starting doing it that way, our hunters were pulling aggro off the tanks seconds after successful FDs. They've slowed down their DPS since then, but when we get fun combos of Confounding Blow on one tank and conflag on the other, Sacrolash will run to a hunter, again, despite several successful FDs. It's a shame since hunters theoretically should be an optimal DPS class for Sacrolash-first. This also seems specific to FD, as vanish and shatter seem to be working fine.

For Eredar Twins, I no longer use Feign Death. Even though no 'Resist' message is shown, and even though my threat (as reported by various AddOns) clears to 0, I can still pull aggro within 5 seconds of a "successful" Feign Death.
We go with Salvation, and Tranquil Air totem if possible, then swap to proper buffs once the first twin is down.

I still end up fairly high in overall damage dealth (top 5 or so), so it's a real shame I'm not "allowed" to go full out, using cooldowns and abilities.

I made a post about Feign Death not acting as intended a while back, with a very high chance to occur on this specific encounter, in the In-Game Customer Support forums (EU side).

The reply:

EDIT: I might as well add the reason for why I am no longer using Feign Death in the Eredar Twins encounter at all. Even though it might work correctly at times, I would rather be safe, and know how much threat I have, than to guess, and end up pulling aggro and wiping the raid.
I believe the bug might be tied into the untargettable shadow adds (due to the extremely high occurance on this encounter); regardless, this fight is, for me, utterly annoying.

Also, this has been reported by several Hunters, so it is very much real, and something to keep in mind for this encounter.

Yes, I am sure it was a successful Feign Death.

For reference, my post about it can be found here.

To avoid potential derailing, I'd suggest that further Feign Death discussions take place in one of the Hunter threads.

I just wanted to thank eveyrone and specially guys from fusion for tips. We killled them yesterday, sacrolash first, after month of wipes with LR-similar tactic. Still i'm shocked how much difference bring one more resto shaman to this fight (we killed them with 5 and 0 holy paladins).

Has anyone noticed an issue with Conflagrate recently?

At 20% on Sacrolash using a Red first tactic, my other MT for Blue reported that she was still targeting him even though Conflagrate had been announced/emoted as on a healer. Conflagrate promptly owned the raid.

At first I dismissed it as someone standing too close, but on at least 3 separate occasions, Sacrolash conflag'ed her current tank rather than the person she had emoted to be targeting, even though we were stood no where near the person and it was impossible to have chained it.

Additionally, the "real target" had the conflagrate DoT, but could freely move and control their character.

Was conflag supposed to be cast on paladin healers who then used DS? If someone uses an immunity before conflag finishes casting it will be cast on someone else.

Being the other tank, I just want to say that this happened twice on the tank spot.

Since it got me suspicious I moved to a safe(r) spot on another occasion when she was switching targets between me and the emoted person while casting (I wasn't tanking her at that point). Bad choice since it was the conflag spot but...

Lo and behold, I got the actual confusion effect and DoT while the originally targetted -and emoted- person was able to casually walk away with just the DoT.

Also, the GM I contacted about this issue wasn't allowed to divulge any information since it was apparently a normal component of the fight and told me to check forums and ask other people. Quality assurance at it's best!

If I remember correctly it was on a priest once and a druid the other two times.

We switched today from the LR tactic to the "Blue first" tactic, and did it on the 2d try, we wiped the first time due to LoS issues. The only problem we had during our kill was LoS to the melee, but it wasn't a big problem, just an irritating problem.

I can't stress enough of how easy this boss encounter is if you kill the blue one first. mind tho that we have killed the boss(es?) since the first week they got out, so everyone knows the fights basics (conflag = bad)

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Hunters rejoice! Finally we'll be able to do DPS to our full potential on Twins... it was pretty insulting to be dependent on Salvation and Tranquil Air to do any meaningful damage on Sacrolash. The wording also implies Lactose's assumption was right and the failed Feigns were related to Sacrolash's Shadow Images.

The conflag-bug thing in an Alythess "red" first strategy is pretty common, in our experience. Happened multiple times a kill when we used to always use that method. As far as I found out, there's no rhyme or reason to it, other than, it may OCCASIONALLY also Conflag the current #1 threat target, in addition to partially bugged conflag on the targetted person/person having Conflag cast on them + announced.

It's pretty damn irritating and the way we worked around it was to have the melee all run out, and the tank runs to a different spot (just incase one of the parties forgot), and the targetted conflag person behaves like it's a normal conflag. The tank usually has to trinket out of that conflag, unfortunately, which can be bad for people trying to clear high shadow stacks.

In my experience, the conflag bug mostly happened if the target seemed to jump down too late. I'd guess she doesn't like to aim conflag into the air.

This may be old news to some people, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

We killed Twins for the first time last raid reset, and we killed her for a second time last night. We ended up using the typical Sacrolash first strat with the raid up top. On our first kill (and the attempts before hand) we had quite a few shadowfurys in the raid, and we did our best to heal through them with our 2 or perhaps 3 shaman. We had taurens use deviates.

Last night however, we didnt get a single shadowfury on any attempt/kill, and 3 shot her (tank confounding then conflagged while confounding, and he didnt warn the melee -- and a conflag fuck-up). We had orcs also use deviates. We have around 6 orcs out of the 17 up top: 4 hunters, 2 shaman.

Sure it may just be our tanks getting better at positioning, but with a stack of deviates for just 20g, you might as well pass them around to your orcs too, if you arent already doing so with the Sacrolash-first-raid-up-top strat.

Make sure pyrogenics is removed instantly, noone runs out of the raid when he has shadow nova (bossmods put a skull on that person, sometimes can make someone panic) and spam chain heal with shamans who appreciate haste.

No real 'trick' to it but high raid healing.

Well, worst thing you can do for your raid healers is to assign a bunch of healers for "raid healing" and don't think about it more. This makes things worse for healers, since now each of them is responsible for all 20+ raid members. It's a much better idea to assign people to heal groups. For example, A heals G2, B G3, C G4 & D G5. E & F assist here and there and do this and that, etc. "Assist others if got time". Healing 20 people is very confusing and can often lead to some people "being forgotten". Healing 5 people is much easier for any healer. Usually something like this isn't necessary, but Eredar Twins can do some nasty burst damage on several people at once, so there always has to be a healer ready to heal it.

But other than that, yea. There is no real "trick" to it. There ARE several ways to minimize dmg raid takes, but thats more a problem for general positioning & movement than something healer specific.

We killed them a long time ago now, either the first week they were out or the second. We one shot them with the fire first tactic but can't seem to grasp the supposedly easier shadow first tactic. It usually ends with deaths due to the adds destroying the groups at the top of the stairs or stunning them, even when the shadow one is as close to the curtains as possible whilst still having people above in los.

So we're slowly but surely getting this fight down using a reverse, two group strat. We tried the one group positioning strat but just couldn't get it right consistently so went back to to the two group strat. I feel confident that we'll get it this reset but the two group strat just makes me uneasy and I feel like it's just not going to be a clean farm strat for us. So what I had been kicking around with our raid leader, and I noticed a couple people mentioned it early on in this thread was to group everyone + twins down in the circle and have a shadow image tank/s upstairs effectively negating any possible stun effects on the raid.

Obviously the main thing to worry about here is clearing the dark touched debuff. Basically I'm wondering if anyone has had success with this approach. Would a ranged dps class (or two) have enough chances for clearing their debuff by staying high on threat for conflag + seemingly random 5 target flame sears or if paladins are a better choice here with seemingly random flame sear chances + bubble. If the shadow image tanks can reliably clear their debuffs it seems like this strat could be extremely stable and repeatable, so I'm wondering if anyone has experience with this.

Finally got a Forward kill on Monday pre-reset. Came back on Wedsnesday and 3-shot them reverse strat. Maybe our MT and myself just got the positioning down real quick but in all honestly it didn't seem that hard. As far as deviates go I really don't think they help all that much. I was under the idea that if she is going to move like a crackhead for no reason it will be when she spawns adds and only then -- giving you enough to reposition them to the "sweet spot". I can't check exactly at the moment but I believe I watched the start of Forlorn Legacy's reverse kill, which basically if you stack on the right pillar (facing twins) the sweet spot is slightly extrapolated out of the purple "fork" coming out of the circle on the left side. We had one wipe to a shadow stun+conflag and another 20% wipe to positioning or los before pretty effortlessly downing them (although our healers say it was still alot of healing to do it still seemed infinitely more controllable and less RNG'able).

We've been looking for good positioning for a while, and I have a simple question in regards to the sweet spot; Is the twin tanked there or do the tanks stand there? I'd imagine it'd be the twin but I'm just looking for clarification.

Thanks