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05/23/08, 3:27 AM
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Womble
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It really depends on how they are under performing.
The clueless healer:
Generally they either need to find their clue or removed from the raid. Unless they are a real life friend of either the guild leadership or raid leadership then you can gradually de-prioritise their position within the raid. If they are a nice person, hopefully they'll find their clue before being completely removed and get back into the main stream.
The distracted healer:
They need to be told in no uncertain terms that they need to switch on. If they insist on watching tv or porn while raiding, you have little choice but to try and replace them if they don't improve.
Blow my mana now:
You have to get them thinking rotations and longevity. Normally if you can coach them they will turn out ok.
The nub healer:
Get your resident healing theory crafter to spend some time with them working through gear, rotations, regen, healing roles. If they have good potential refer them to EJ or a less technical reference site and give them the feed back they need (keep it positive).
The under geared:
Get them to spend their own time gearing and re-roster them when they have gotten to a minumum point you have set.
The under prepared:
Read them the riot act, there is no excuse for attending a raid without consumables or awareness of the content you are about to do.
Remember different people react differently, you need to tailor your approach for each individual.
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05/23/08, 8:49 AM
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Glass Joe
Draenei Priest
Chromaggus (EU)
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Underperforming raid members..even spotting them can be quite tricky, since it is often possible for your better healers to pick up their slack, depending on your raid setup and the encounter of course - it's not always as clear as, say, having one tank dying in an encounter whenever Paladin A heals him whereas he's fine when Paladin B does (both of them being on equal gear levels, naturally).
Should you spot one though, and if you were able to find out where his problem is (this is easily achieved if you have a look at Recount/WWS and talk to somebody else of the same class about it), keep any communication regarding the subject to whispers to avoid drama. Also try to formulate anything you want to say as suggestions (as in "maybe you should try casting xx more", "have you considered using yy gems instead") or questions ("why are you using this instead of that?"). I suppose you've known your healers for a while now and should be able to figure out what tone to use when talking to them. Unless there are any issues with their attitude, they should be open to your input and ideally accept it simply due to your position, as long as you're having well-founded reasoning available.
I've been doing our healing assignments pretty much since Molten Core and have been extremely lucky with our healers' abilities so far, so I can't really give a plethora of specific examples. An extreme case has been a resto druid who refused to use lifebloom because he, er, "hates it", and after no one inside the guild could convince him of the opposite, it finally culminated in a seven page long thread about the subject on the druid forums. He does use lifebloom a bit more often now.
As a final note, if your tanks have their own channel, do join it. If the target a tank is tanking changes occasionally, you'll be much faster in constructing your assignments as well as having a quick method to find out why exactly one of them died instead of immediately blaming it on their healers.
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05/23/08, 10:28 AM
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Piston Honda
Draenei Priest
Nordrassil (EU)
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Originally Posted by Dionysian
Also try to formulate anything you want to say as suggestions (as in "maybe you should try casting xx more", "have you considered using yy gems instead") or questions ("why are you using this instead of that?"). I suppose you've known your healers for a while now and should be able to figure out what tone to use when talking to them.
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Be careful of coming across too soft. Particularly never pretend to not know that the person is doing something wrong. If you have to take a firm stance later and need to lay down the facts, regardless of your intent of trying not to be bossy or whatever, you'll just appear dishonest.
If you know they're underperforming and you know you have valid suggestions for improving their performance, don't go out of your way to hide the fact that you know what you're talking about, because you'll just eat away your own credibility.
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05/23/08, 12:03 PM
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Foeresh
Awesome replies all, thanks for the tips! One thing I am still curious about is how to best handle under-performing raid members. Since WoW carries far fewer consequences than a real life job does as far as gquitting goes how have you all found ways to successfully motivate, and improve raiders that arent performing while walking the tight rope of not stepping on toes? I want to hear the good and the bad, so if you have a nice story of what NOT to do I can still learn from that.
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I am occasionally surprised at people's interpretations of my assignments, so re-communicating expectations can be beneficial. I'm not suggesting you teach people, if they are raiding healers they know but it never hurts to make sure you are both on the same page. One thing I've noticed, sometimes healers unconsciously develop a habit of not trusting the other raid healers and try to do everyone's job instead of focussing on their assignment. Or similarly, feel they have to heal NO MATTER WHAT because its all on them and put themselves in harm's way to accomplish this (Archimonde comes to mind). WWS data on who healed whom is good indicator if this might be an issue.
Whether your approach is a gentle reminder or a virtual slap upside the head, getting someone to trust you and the others can improve performance.
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05/23/08, 12:09 PM
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Glass Joe
Draenei Priest
Chromaggus (EU)
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Originally Posted by Endahl
Be careful of coming across too soft. Particularly never pretend to not know that the person is doing something wrong. If you have to take a firm stance later and need to lay down the facts, regardless of your intent of trying not to be bossy or whatever, you'll just appear dishonest.
If you know they're underperforming and you know you have valid suggestions for improving their performance, don't go out of your way to hide the fact that you know what you're talking about, because you'll just eat away your own credibility.
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While I agree that you shouldn't be too..well..fluffy, the avoidance of being considered too bossy is only a side effect (which I do consider positive) of that particular way of talking to them - if you approach whatever your goal with the person is in a dialogue they will, I think, have it easier to pick up what you told them as they should then have an easier time understanding the trains of thought behind it. Even better if you can manage to make them think they came up with it all by themself.
There is certainly a time for despotism, but I view it as a last resort for dealing with problematic people - keeping your credibility while still being likable isn't all that difficult. Of course, you can disregard that and be blunt if the healer in question isn't overly sensitive when receiving critique, but I find that rare in this game in general.
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05/23/08, 2:01 PM
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Glass Joe
Undead Priest
Argent Dawn
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My 1st suggestion: The Heal Lead needs to to have the balls to speak up and stick up for the healers when applicable.
As in, "No, Mr. DPS'er sir, you do not need more heals. You need to GTFO of the fire."
This is important especially when you are learning a fight. You want to make sure the raid is solving the root cause of a problem and not simply trying to treat the symptom.
You'll also get more respect from your healers when they know the raid and the raid leader will listen to you.
My 2nd suggestion: Groom your replacement and delegate.
If you have a lot of veteran healers in your raid, give them some leadership tasks. Be it the mentoring of a new healer, or coordinating the rotation of those in their class. Some healers want to do more than just show up and press buttons. Give them opportunities. They'll feel more ownership in regards to the success of the raid, and they will make your job easier.
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05/23/08, 5:43 PM
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Piston Honda
Human Warlock
Dragonblight
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Originally Posted by Crypta
As in, "No, Mr. DPS'er sir, you do not need more heals. You need to GTFO of the fire."
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If this is a well-deserved admonishment then certainly. Sometimes the cause of the problem is more complex than that though, and increasing healing throughput is a good way to solve it, and that is something you should be able and willing to judge.
An example would be the eagle phase of Zul'jin. Quite often people will focus too much on avoiding the whirlwinds instead of doing real dps/healing, and that makes the phase extremely painful as your dps stop trying as hard, shifting into survival mode because they're all at half health and don't want to get gibbed by the next whirlwind. But if healers simply spam their hearts out for a while then everyone is able to perform at near-max capacity and the phase is defeated quite quickly.
So, certainly stick up for the healers if they are being criticized unfairly, but also don't discount the power of brute force.
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05/23/08, 6:22 PM
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Glass Joe
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Currently I am the healing leader of my guild and I came to ask a little advice. It seems that our healers are getting burnt out on healing at an ALARMING rate and was curious if anyone had ideas to maybe, "keep it interesting". I have a hard time understanding why people get burnt out for the simple fact of I love healing...
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05/23/08, 6:27 PM
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Deadiam
Currently I am the healing leader of my guild and I came to ask a little advice. It seems that our healers are getting burnt out on healing at an ALARMING rate and was curious if anyone had ideas to maybe, "keep it interesting". I have a hard time understanding why people get burnt out for the simple fact of I love healing...
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Choose 1 healer a week to play an offspec on farm content and rotate who it is each week? Other then that, if your healers don't enjoy healing there is no amount of motivation that will change that short of straight up bribery. Healing is the most thankless and selfless task in the raid along with tanking.
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05/23/08, 8:22 PM
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Bald Bull
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It seems that our healers are getting burnt out on healing at an ALARMING rate and was curious if anyone had ideas to maybe, "keep it interesting".
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We try to accomodate for our healers (and tanks for that matter) to be able to come to farm content (BT + Hyjal) in offspecs, if they so desire. As long as we can get 7-9 healers still , they can enjoy a night as a Moonkin/Shadowpriest/ElementalShaman/Protpally etc and let other people worry about keeping the raid alive.
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05/23/08, 9:19 PM
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by Bula
Other then that, if your healers don't enjoy healing there is no amount of motivation that will change that short of straight up bribery. Healing is the most thankless and selfless task in the raid along with tanking.
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I'll make a football (American football, sorry) analogy: your healers are your offensive line. Some people really like knocking a defensive lineman flat on his back. Others like being on the team, but given the choice would really rather be the quarterback (the MT) or a back/receiver (the DPS). The offensive line isn't exactly glamorous; how many kids do you know that have a poster of their favorite team's left tackle on their wall? And, like raid healing, no one really notices the offensive line until they screw up and the quarterback gets sacked (the tank dies).
I happen to like this analogy, although people look at me funny when I start explaining it.
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05/24/08, 12:39 AM
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Bald Bull
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One thing that is extremely important, and our biggest problem when I took over raid leading about 6 months ago, is communication. You need communication from healer to healer, tanks to healers, and healers to tanks. Just this past week we wiped on mother out of nowhere simply because we got a bit lazy and 3 of the MT healers were part of their own fatal attraction. No one paid attention to the raid warnings or spoke up that they were ported and simply no heals went out, leading to tank death.
Stress to your healers that if they are for whatever reason unable to heal the tank that they communicate that to their assigned targets so that other healers can cover or they can lean on cooldowns until that healer is back in action. When you wipe use your mod of choice (I suggest recount coupled with GrimReaper) to debug the situation then question your healers about what it looked like from their end. More often than not they will be more receptive and honest about what happened. If you jump down their throats immediately it will put them on the defensive and likely throw them off of their game a bit (different players respond differently but it's something to keep in mind).
After a little while you will get a good feel for each fight and how the raid healing should go, and it will be easy to tell who is slacking or where weak points are in certain assignments and you can adjust accordingly. You will also find that some people are just really good at certain aspects of certain fights (the different types of healers, as mentioned above), and you can utilize that to your advantage.
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You pay for the whole chair, but you only need the edge.
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05/24/08, 8:47 AM
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Glass Joe
Human Priest
Chromaggus (EU)
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I recommend getting GrimReaper. It's great tool when figuring out if a tank died because of no heals or did he just get smacked too hard. It's available on wowaceupdater atleast.
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05/24/08, 1:29 PM
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Von Kaiser
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You really need to know what each person is good at doing and bad at doing while at the same time not putting them into a position their class is weak at.
I rarely ever leave healing assignments up in the air and that always gives better results than just winging it. One fight I do not assign healers on is mother sharaz, simply because of the 3 port mt healer issue. Everyone is a MT healer / group healer to some degree.
It's the basic rule of advanced raiding: listen to your players and have good raid communication. Work with your raid to improve your raid. Find out what is preventing them from doing their job well and remedy the situation.
As for healers getting burnt out, I just never stop recruiting healers anymore. We had the same 6 healers (plus 1-2 random people) from KZ to Illidan. There was very little turnover in our raid at all, and when it did happen we luckily had someone to step in, even as a new main tank. Then 2.4 launched and suddenly we didn't have enough healers, all of our paladins went part time for about a month and one of our two resto shamans quit with no warning. Meaning we couldn't do much on Kalecgos. Obviously the raid was angry about stalled progression but we just kept getting new healers and gearing them up and now we're past all that with roughly 12-14 potential healers with more on the way.
Now I just recruit any new healers that seem promising and we gear them up on our non Sunwell days. I've started doing the same with DPS and tanks as well, since you really can't predict turnover. I think the biggest hurdle is convincing the raid that running a raid specifically to gear up new people, even on "progression" days, is a good idea.
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05/24/08, 4:39 PM
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Von Kaiser
Draenei Death Knight
Aman'Thul
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Here are my tips of being the healing leader:
Organizing assignments
1) Pen and paper are your friend
It never hurts to write down your healing assignments so you can refer to them later. This is for a couple of reasons: if someone misses their assignment you can refer to it later. It's also a reference tool - the next time you do a particular fight, you'll know which healers you assigned to do, and which roles you assigned classes. After a while you'll start remembering more and more of the assignments in your head, and you'll have to refer to your notes less often.
2) Assign roles early
There is nothing that the rest of the raid hates more than having to wait for the healing assignments to be done when everyone else is ready to go. I usually hand out on the assignments while we're clearing the trash before a boss, then do a quick "everyone know what their role is?" before the pull. Any specific questions can be resolved well in advance of the boss fight.
3) Type out assignments
Most guilds have a healer channel all healers are expected to be in. If your guild doesn't, create one. Typing out assignments means that there is a record of what the assignment was - if someone wasn't there at exact moment they were handed out, they can scroll up to check the assignments. There is a record that is a slightly more permanent than a vent conversation.
My personal preference is not to use macros. My theory is that macros are easy to ignore, and if people know they can ask you to "spam the macro again" they're more likely to pay less attention when you hand out the assignments the first time. I take the time to type out the assignments in as much detail as i think is needed, and in return I expect the healers to pay attention to those assignments so I don't have to repeat them endlessly. I usually give a heads up like "healing assignments incoming" to prompt the healers pay attention to the heal channel for the next couple of minutes.
Evaluating players
Meters like WWS and Recount are an invaluable tool for evaluating performance, but analyzing them does require a degree of care when it comes to healers. There is a wealth of information, and raw healing numbers by themselves are often the least informative statistic. Healing numbers are affected by class (shamans will usually outheal everyone else except CoH priests on some fights), the role a particular healer is asked to play, gear, who they are grouped with (eg shadow priests) and a bunch of other factors. So what are you looking for?
Are there healing numbers significantly different from members of their own class? If there are players who consistently score lower than other players of the same class with similar assignments, further investigation is required. Is it gear, bad spell choice, inadequate consumables, laziness or what?
What spells do your healers use? For example, priests with consistently high Flash Heal usage might be a cause for concern.
Where are they getting their mana from? The buffs and debuffs section of WWS can a gold mine of information. You can also check through individual combat logs for thorough micro-analysis.
I recommend a combination of both in-game tools (like Recount) for on the spot analysis, and WWS for in-depth analysis after the fact.
There are also things to look for in-game. Are they keeping their tank alive? Are they keeping themselves alive? These are the two most crucial factors for a healer. Do they pay attention and ask intelligent questions? Do they cross-heal strategically and effectively (in some fights its a good thing, in others it isn't). Are they dispelling quickly?
Evaluating strategy
One of the hardest thing to do on a new boss I think is to determine whether your healing strategy is flawed and needs to be changed, or whether its merely execution issues causing you problems. You have to find a balance between giving a strategy enough time to prove itself a success or failure, and not rigidly sticking to a strat that's failing when changing things around might generate a better result.
If you love researching fights and devising strategies, you probably have the right mindset to be a healing leader. Frequently the job is mundane. The rewards come when you figure out to keep everyone alive on Brutallus with 7 healers, or M'uru with just 6.
As far as burn-out goes, my suggestion would be to over-recruit a little so that you can give healers time off. Even if you love healing, doing it night after night for months on end can wear you down. Especially since healers generally have to pay full attention for the entire night (including all the repetitive trash pulls). Giving people part of the night off or even full nights off can give them a chance to recharge the batteries for when you really need them.
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