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Old 07/03/08, 11:45 PM   2 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #151
 arison
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Mine arrived today

I figured it wouldn't work til 2.4.3 but sure enough, it works now. Easy to set up. After your username/password in the normal login, it pops up a box asking for the number. After that, it's instant. So, nice and fast, as well as secure.

Very nice, Blizzard.
 
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Old 07/04/08, 12:34 AM   #152
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Originally Posted by Oscarvil View Post
We understand you don't like the idea of it but this is ridiculous. There's no way you can justify 45 seconds per day of WoW time adding up to any kind of monetary value.

Sorry I was incorrect. You're spending 14 hours of your subscription time over 3 years. So at ~30 hours a week that works out at $1.75 WASTED on subscription fees just by entering your keyfob code.
No, because my free time is worth far more than the subscription time. I don't understand why people constantly devalue their own time, but since becoming employed I know I value mine a great deal. You'd have to pay me at least $50/hour before I'd even think of doing unnecessary for you in my free time. Remember, this isn't something painless, like queuing for battlegrounds, where I can go do something different in the meantime. This requires active input in order to complete.

Say the game took 1/2 hour to start up, requiring you to select options at a series of screens. Would you still play? I certainly wouldn't. I know this is different by factors of magnitude but it illustrates my point that your time isn't "free".
 
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Old 07/04/08, 1:11 AM   #153
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No, but you're ignoring the fact that if you do get hacked you're looking at losing days if not weeks of play time.

Sure, chances are you won't be hacked, but you can't just ignore how this minor inconvenience has the ability to save you a ton more time.

Divine Favor still costs mana.
 
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Old 07/04/08, 1:27 AM   #154
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Originally Posted by Denogran View Post
No, because my free time is worth far more than the subscription time. I don't understand why people constantly devalue their own time, but since becoming employed I know I value mine a great deal. You'd have to pay me at least $50/hour before I'd even think of doing unnecessary for you in my free time. Remember, this isn't something painless, like queuing for battlegrounds, where I can go do something different in the meantime. This requires active input in order to complete.

Say the game took 1/2 hour to start up, requiring you to select options at a series of screens. Would you still play? I certainly wouldn't. I know this is different by factors of magnitude but it illustrates my point that your time isn't "free".
Your argument is still ridiculous. There is nobody in the world getting paid $50/hr for their so-called free time. By definition, your free time is time you're not being paid for which you can do whatever you like with. As a consequence you may put a value on it, but there is no way you can seriously say that doubling your password input time (from 5 seconds to 10 seconds) is worth $500+ real dollars over 3 years.

Doubling your password input time is still an insignificant time investment compared to the total amount of time you spend actually playing the game.

Your straw man suggesting that some company would actively market a game where a significant time not playing said game is also ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure I've made my point clear, there will be no need for me to continue this thread derail.

Last edited by Oscarvil : 07/04/08 at 1:42 AM. Reason: Removed the stupid.
 
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Old 07/04/08, 2:20 AM   #155
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First, 14 hours 15 seconds at a time is worth far less than 14 hours condensed because you couldn't do anything meaningful in that wasted time when its broken up like that (which is why the half-hour comparison isn't symmetric). Second, realistically you log in at the same time and get 15 seconds less to play, so the monetary value is coming out of your subscription fee and not your other spare free time, much less your salaried time.

I have many more points beyond those, but that starts getting into how economics is properly a descriptive, not prescriptive, system. Suffice it to say, I believe in Hume's Law and Goodhart's Law.

 
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Old 07/04/08, 3:14 AM   #156
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Originally Posted by Knaughy View Post
Sometimes, even that isn't enough - I used the recent Flash vulnerability as an example.
The updated version of flash was released at least a month before Blizzard starting warning about the vulnerability, so it's not like it caught people by surprise.
 
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Old 07/04/08, 4:10 AM   #157
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This little device is going to solve so many issues. Acount selling, hacks, etc. I guarentee these are going to be required very soon, and for all online games. With this many people that are going to be required to purchase these little gizmos, it is time to invest in whatever company is going to manufacture them.
 
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Old 07/04/08, 7:42 AM   #158
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Doesn't do a thing to solve account selling, you'd just mail them the fob.
 
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Old 07/04/08, 11:08 AM   #159
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Originally Posted by Denogran View Post
No, because my free time is worth far more than the subscription time.
And my free time is worth more than forum moderation time, so shut the hell up with this stupid argument.
 
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Old 07/08/08, 10:26 PM   #160
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anyone gotten theirs in the mail yet?
 
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Old 07/09/08, 2:28 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by koaschten View Post
Well you always could get a g15 to input your pw... but this is going totally off topic now...
That probably won't save you. All the keyboards I own that support macros store the macros in memory on the keyboard and just send the keycodes over the wire. However, I don't own a g15 to test this hypothesis.
 
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Old 07/09/08, 3:25 AM   #162
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Originally Posted by Unfair View Post
anyone gotten theirs in the mail yet?
Got mine on Monday, ordered it the day it was for sale
 
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Old 07/09/08, 12:12 PM   #163
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I'm really interested in hearing what the process is when these things are lost or stolen. Wondering if its a quick over the phone thing or something more tedious like faxing ID to them.

 
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Old 07/09/08, 3:08 PM   #164
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Originally Posted by Unfair View Post
anyone gotten theirs in the mail yet?
I recieved mine on Saturday the 5th. I ordered three, one for my accounts, one for my wife's accounts and an extra in the event we lose/break one so we won't have to wait for a new one to be shipped. Took just a few minutes to register my FOB to work with my three separate accounts. Works great.
 
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Old 07/10/08, 4:42 PM   #165
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Originally Posted by Goatbert View Post
I'm really interested in hearing what the process is when these things are lost or stolen. Wondering if its a quick over the phone thing or something more tedious like faxing ID to them.
Since they are going to the touble of providing extra security makes sense that it requires some kinda verification to remove.

8. What happens if I lose my Blizzard Authenticator? Do I lose my account?

If you lose your Blizzard Authenticator, you will need to contact Blizzard Billing & Account Services for assistance. Our representatives will be able to assist you with regaining access to your account by verifying certain secure information with you as the registered accountholder.
Is however quite vague, i would assume that CD-Key(s) or ID would be required.
 
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Old 07/11/08, 5:24 PM   #166
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So I got my authenticator yesterday... and attached it to my account.

Anyway, do other folks have the problem of trying to log on, it says to push the button and type in the 6 digit code, and then it says it's not valid? Some times it takes me at least three tries to log in... pushing the button and typing in the code every time. Sometimes the first two button pushes display the same code, so I'm assuming that I'm still within the same time frame for generating that code. However why doesn't the Blizzard server recognize that code? Is it just a hair out of sync? Am I doing it too fast? Too slow? What's the deal? Is this typical with authentication devices like this?

Quick word of advice, when you get the authenticator, push the button to make sure the display and everything works before attaching it to your account. I just read a post about someone getting one, and the button not doing anything when pressed. Once you attach one to your account, you have to call Blizzard Billing & Support to have it removed. I'm glad mine worked, because I sure didn't push the button before I attached it.

It would sure suck to have the batteries go out after Blizzard Support hours are over.
 
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Old 07/11/08, 6:06 PM   #167
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The Blizzard Authenticator is no longer listed as not in stock (EU).
Blizzard Store

Look, Lactose, we'd rather you didn't eradicate the whole human race.
- Sam & Max
 
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Old 07/11/08, 6:06 PM   3 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #168
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I got my authenticator 3 days ago and decided to call Blizzard today to "pretend" like I had lost it.

They started by asking my name, account info (including password), credit card #s, address, etc. All of it seemed "fakable" until they sent me an e-mail. Their way of verifying that it's actually you is by sending you an e-mail with a "passphrase" that you're supposed to read back to them.

I was actually incredibly impressed with the quality of the service. I spent about 40 seconds on hold before they picked up. It took about 2 minutes before the authenticator was "deregistered" from my account. I just went back and re-registered it and it's working again fine.
 
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Old 07/11/08, 7:17 PM   #169
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On a related note, that means you can lose it and take it off your account and find it again, and not have to order another one. Horay!

 
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Old 07/11/08, 10:55 PM   #170
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I am honestly a little disappointed after clicking myself through the europe blizzard shop to buy my authenticator just to find out... credit card only. Over here in europe paying via credit card, at least from my point of view, is less wide spread than paying on receive to the parcel service guy or paying ahead via bank transfer. I for myself wont get an authenticator cause i dont have a credit card and the authenticator is not enough of a reason to get one.
 
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Old 07/12/08, 5:19 AM   #171
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Originally Posted by koaschten View Post
I am honestly a little disappointed after clicking myself through the europe blizzard shop to buy my authenticator just to find out... credit card only.
I agree, but unfortunately even in Europe Credit Card is still the most reliable and hassle free way of handling a payment for the seller. Direct debit or advance payment both come with more risks and more administration overhead.

By the way I noticed a horrendous amount of shipping & handling costs in europe! The authenticator costs 6 Euro and it seems that in Europe the shipping of each authenticator costs 3 Euro - 50% of the product price. Even if you order more than one Authenticator it seems you have to double or triple the shipping costs. I just bought 3 Authenticators for my family and had about 9 Euro S&H.

Is shipping&handling in the US that expensive too?
 
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Old 07/12/08, 5:22 AM   #172
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It's even more expensive for shipping to the UK, about the same cost as the authenticator itself. Still, worth it.
 
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Old 07/12/08, 5:25 AM   #173
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We didn't have to pay shipping. My cost came to I believe $7.07 after tax with no shipping. I think the package had a 59 cent stamp or whatever on it but that cost wasn't really added on (unless that was already included in the $6.50)
 
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Old 07/12/08, 7:05 AM   #174
zimira
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token + shipping ended up at a Grand Total of EUR 15,88 for 1 token sent to Sweden. With shipping twice the price of the token i think i'll manage without one for a bit longer.
 
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Old 07/12/08, 8:41 AM   #175
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I wonder if a European player with a US WoW account could use an authenticator bought at the EU store.
 
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