The WWI thread

Cranberry · 06/28/08, 7:17 AM

Already announced Diablo III at the opening ceremony, with the (I believe WOTLK) dev panel soon. Stream can be found at 2008 Blizzard Entertainment Worldwide Invitational

Holy shit! Pet talent trees for hunters?

WF no longer weapon buff, that's huge for raiding melee dps. Weightstones and such would be a great deal of extra dps.

Jubling · 06/28/08, 8:03 AM

Raidwide totems, rockbiter weapon turning into earthliving, Hex polymorph for shamans.

Titan's Grip was inspired by the fake talent!

Windfury totem will be a buff, not a weapon imbue, so you can use it in forms and with poisons. Pet talents are instead of the current pet skill points. Dispersion as an answer to shadowpriests not being able to escape from melee in PvP (which makes no sense since it stuns you...).

Skysec · 06/28/08, 8:06 AM

No steady shot clipping will make learning how to play a hunter more like learning how to play a mage. Much needed change imo.

Vodrin · 06/28/08, 8:08 AM

Paladin: Hand of Purity - Big 1 charge earth-shield.

Tacitus · 06/28/08, 8:12 AM

copypasting my post from the wotlk thread:

DISCLAIMER: LIVE TYPING FROM FEED

Chilton talking about DKs? Anyway, the sound's back now. DK's will use warrior gear, runes were decided as the resource system early on.

hunter:
No steady shot clipping? What does that mean? - oh autoshot will fire through steady shot casting
Different pet families... pet TALENTS? talents will overwrite the pet skill system
new pets for hunters, we'll see in beta

priest:

can cast a buff to friendlies which sleeps enemies striking them
spriest talent that gets a -90% damage buff, pacified but regens 6% hp/mana every second for 10 seconds
guardian spirit: travels around healing party members, if party member would die, the guardian spirit dies instead
(apparently all three are talents)

mage:

frostfire, not as good as frostbolt or fireball, but with an elemental build it'll beat both
mage armor: shortens durations of magical effects on you

druid:
roots usable indoors
flourish or nourish, short cast time heal, 1,5s depends on how many hots you have on your target

shaman:
totem upgrades, suffering from totem spam -> SoE and GoA combined! totems in physical school
raidwide totems too
earthliving weapon->healing bonus (replaces rockbiter), flametongue->+spell dmg, windfury stays, the frostw/e weapon gets boosted
hex: limited CC, turns enemy into a frog, can move but can't attack, pve behaves like poly, duration 8-10 seconds

rogue:
fan of knives, aoe damage, situational, rogues not aoe class
sap gets expanded to other mob types, beast, giant, dragon, anything with a skull and a brain inside (personal note: what about UD :p)

paladin:
ret paladins are difficult to itemize since they are unique in their item needs, will move to DK like itemization
"waaah, ret pala stole my sword, now they'll steal your armour too"
hand of purity, some reactive healing (oneshot Earthshield)
BoP and BoF won't overwrite other blessings anymore, might be renamed to reflect this

warrior:
shockwave and Bladestorm to make warriors feel more like warcraft 3 and feel that warriors are strong
shockwave upgrades prot warrior's damage and gives them more aoe threat compared to thunderclap
titan's grip for fury, was fake last expansion but blizz took it and made it real in wotlk

warlock:
demonic circle, teleport back, around 50 yrds, faster summon inside it
51pt demonology talent - demon form, shadowbolt is aoe in demon form, no pets

Q&A

at the hunter question confusion, talents overwrite pet skill points

WF TOTEM WILL BE A BUFF, ROGUES CAN USE POISON IN MH & FERALS GET IT

they'll try to work out warrior talents out from pigeon holing you to take certain talents to dps - working to make bladestorm and titan's grip are attractive to take and viable

Cyclone will not be changed

Tacitus · 06/28/08, 8:28 AM

Originally Posted by Jubling

Windfury totem will be a buff, not a weapon imbue, so you can use it in forms and with poisons. Pet talents are instead of the current pet skill points. Dispersion as an answer to shadowpriests not being able to escape from melee in PvP (which makes no sense since it stuns you...).

Doesn't stun, it pacifies you.

Skysec · 06/28/08, 8:28 AM

Originally Posted by Jubling

Windfury totem will be a buff, not a weapon imbue, so you can use it in forms and with poisons. Pet talents are instead of the current pet skill points. Dispersion as an answer to shadowpriests not being able to escape from melee in PvP (which makes no sense since it stuns you...).

I don't think its a stun, he stated that you could move around with it on, and coupled with the new fade and psychic scream it could be a very useful escape mechanism for spriests in pvp.

Oneiros · 06/28/08, 8:30 AM

This is really a quality stream.. running it at high resolution and it has outstanding audio and video and no choppiness at all. I'm sure there has to be tons of people viewing it too (especially since login servers in the US are down right now!).

Vodrin · 06/28/08, 8:33 AM

Originally Posted by Oneiros

This is really a quality stream.. running it at high resolution and it has outstanding audio and video and no choppiness at all. I'm sure there has to be tons of people viewing it too (especially since login servers in the US are down right now!).

I had it stop twice and say 'max connections reached' so yes its seems quite busy.

Tacitus · 06/28/08, 8:33 AM

Originally Posted by Oneiros

This is really a quality stream.. running it at high resolution and it has outstanding audio and video and no choppiness at all. I'm sure there has to be tons of people viewing it too (especially since login servers in the US are down right now!).

Were you watching from the start? It kept bugging, kicking me out, displaying some test image (colour test) sound kept disappearing, actual feed started like 5-10 mins late with audio desynced...

But yea, now it's great.

• Althor · 06/28/08, 8:35 AM

Originally Posted by Skysec

I don't think its a stun, he stated that you could move around with it on, and coupled with the new fade and psychic scream it could be a very useful escape mechanism for spriests in pvp.

Without knowing exactly how the Fade part of Improved Shadowform functions I'm hesitant to say that this will work like they seem to want it to work.

If the snare removal only functions on the cast of Fade then it's incredibly easy to be resnared by those classes that we have the most trouble against (a simple Crippling Poison shiv for example) and then who cares if we have Dispersion if we're stuck in melee range.

If however we're immune to snares for the duration of Fade, then sure, that goes a way to gives us an escape mechanism.

Erren · 06/28/08, 8:40 AM

Didn't see anyone else mention it - 51 point warrior talent is going to be Blade Storm. Sounded like the goal was make 51 points in Arms an attractive build, so I'd guess that'll be a pretty powerful (and probably rage hungry) ability.

I'd love to hear if they plan on doing something to change Slam. It just seems clunky as it is now. Too much like old Aimed Shot weaving for hunters in Vanilla WoW.

Psychodays · 06/28/08, 8:45 AM

Originally Posted by Tacitus

WF NO LONGER A WEAPON ENCHANT FROM TOTEM, IT'S A BUFF WHICH FERALS GET

I'm pretty certain this is incorrect. While talking about shamans, Chilton described each of the weapon imbues. The only thing he said about WF was that it would remain the same. Maybe he said earlier that there is a new feral wf?

Skysec · 06/28/08, 8:46 AM

Originally Posted by Althor

Without knowing exactly how the Fade part of Improved Shadowform functions I'm hesitant to say that this will work like they seem to want it to work.

If the snare removal only functions on the cast of Fade then it's incredibly easy to be resnared by those classes that we have the most trouble against (a simple Crippling Poison shiv for example) and then who cares if we have Dispersion if we're stuck in melee range.

If however we're immune to snares for the duration of Fade, then sure, that goes a way to gives us an escape mechanism.

I highly doubt that priests will get a 30s (24 talented) cd mini bof. The same situation you stated exists now with druids, the only difference is that ours is spammable on a 1.5s gcd. I would imagin that the way pvp spriests are supposed to play out is that they use a psychic scream on a melee, then fade so they can run away, that way the snare won't immediately be reapplied.

Originally Posted by Psychodays

I'm pretty certain this is incorrect. While talking about shamans, Chilton described each of the weapon imbues. The only thing he said about WF was that it would remain the same. Maybe he said earlier that there is a new feral wf?

In the Q&A session, a person asked about mongoose and windfury for ferals, Chilton stated that WF was being changed from a weapon imbue to a buff, meaning that ferals benefit from it. He didn't say anything about mongoose so that's probably going to stay restricted from ferals.

Vodrin · 06/28/08, 8:51 AM

Originally Posted by Psychodays

I'm pretty certain this is incorrect. While talking about shamans, Chilton described each of the weapon imbues. The only thing he said about WF was that it would remain the same. Maybe he said earlier that there is a new feral wf?

The reason WF doesn't work with druids at the moment is because in cat and bear form they have no weapon swing, and the question was specifically about druids getting WF which he started with "yes it will now be a buff and no longer a weapon imbue".

A decent buff for rogues by the way, especially with the poison talents in the assasination tree as they are now on alpha.

• Althor · 06/28/08, 8:52 AM

Originally Posted by Skysec

I highly doubt that priests will get a 30s (24 talented) cd mini bof. The same situation you stated exists now with druids, the only difference is that ours is spammable on a 1.5s gcd. I would imagin that the way pvp spriests are supposed to play out is that they use a psychic scream on a melee, then fade so they can run away, that way the snare won't immediately be reapplied.

Sadly, that's how I think it'll be too. Of course the "Psychic Scream -> Fade -> Run For the Hills" combo is of limited use when it's still possible to trinket out of fears (and horrors) and all the melee classes have a way to get back into melee range quickly (Intercept/Charge/Deadly Throw/Sprint/Shadowstep/Deathgrip/Paladin's ranged stun).

Tacitus · 06/28/08, 8:56 AM

Originally Posted by Psychodays

I'm pretty certain this is incorrect. While talking about shamans, Chilton described each of the weapon imbues. The only thing he said about WF was that it would remain the same. Maybe he said earlier that there is a new feral wf?

WF totem will be a buff, so ferals get it and rogues can use poisons on their MH with it.

edited my big post to clarify this.

Emory · 06/28/08, 9:14 AM

Originally Posted by Tacitus

something about stacking shamans which I didn't catch

He said that totems are going to affect raid members as well, so that there is less of a need to stack shamans.

Tacitus · 06/28/08, 9:20 AM

Originally Posted by Emory

He said that totems are going to affect raid members as well, so that there is less of a need to stack shamans.

So we get raidwide totems and Curse of Magic damage.

Elitist Jerks->Blizzard->Elitist Jerks

• Playered · 06/28/08, 9:38 AM

It's nice that they aknowledged the raiding problems directly, although somewhat disapointing that they pushed the AoE route as the Mages niche.. guess Mages and Locs will most likely end up being roughly equal on single target damage in the end - mention of bringing Mages up to par with Warlocks.. not reducing Locs or boosting Mages above.

The Flourish/Nourish mixup was just amusing though.
Flourish(said) - 51pt Resto, AoE HoT.
Nourish(implied) - Quick cast, single target direct heal.

Although technically we shouldn't know about it being the wrong way round as the information we have is all leaked/datamined... they might even end up changing them round in the game just to be crafty :P

Tacitus · 06/28/08, 9:48 AM

Originally Posted by Playered

The Flourish/Nourish mixup was just amusing though.
Flourish(said) - 51pt Resto, AoE HoT.
Nourish(implied) - Quick cast, single target direct heal.

Did he really mix it up? I'm not native english speaker so it could be me who was mixing things up.

Ooo Nihilum is killing KJ live with no mods and the girl with them is quite pretty

Hmm, the girl is pretty, the guys are normal but it seems the camera can't get away from them. Direct feed from the game pleeease.

Vodrin · 06/28/08, 10:09 AM

Yeah he got them mixed up, easy slip of the tongue in the heat of the moment with similar sounding names though.

And yeah the stream could really do with showing the output of the big screen more often :p.

Emory · 06/28/08, 10:14 AM

I'd get mixed up too if I was speaking in front of that many people live as well as online.

Speaking of Mages, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some frost/fire hybrid builds for raiding in the expansion, given the nature of Frostfire bolt.

Shandara · 06/28/08, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Vodrin

The reason WF doesn't work with druids at the moment is because in cat and bear form they have no weapon swing, and the question was specifically about druids getting WF which he started with "yes it will now be a buff and no longer a weapon imbue".

A decent buff for rogues by the way, especially with the poison talents in the assasination tree as they are now on alpha.

I wonder if this will mean hunter pets will finally be affected by it too?