The Achievement Thread - Page 14

• Chicken · 08/14/08, 4:16 PM

Originally Posted by Liebestod

It really seems like the questing achievements should be broken down by faction somehow. I'm at 107/110 for HF Horde-side and I'm not sure if there are any more. I just completed Grizzly Hills, and it seemed like there must have been no more than 85 quests and you need to do 80 (unless doing the dailies count the first time you do them.) Likewise, I imagine that Alliance might have a hard time in Borean Tundra.

Maybe it's possible in all zones for either faction, but until I find those last 3 HF quests... I'm not so sure, really.

Howling Fjord, Borean Tundra and Dragonblight are all possible for Horde at least. I've got all three of those achievements on my Paladin. For Howling Fjord look for a small Forsaken outpost just south of Nifflevar, it has two more quests which are very easily missed.

The achievements also seem slightly bugged that they tend to say they're completed when you've completed one quest less than what's needed to complete it.

Liebestod · 08/14/08, 5:25 PM

You're right. After looking at Wowwiki's HF quest list, I found a chain of three I didn't do. Meaning that afaik, there are exactly 110 Horde quests in HF. Maybe 111, since I'm not sure I did one of the "go to the next base" quests. If low-level quest tracking had been there earlier this wouldn't have been an issue.. :P

Thanks though. Requiring you to do every quest in a zone is a bit much, imo.

Calixtus · 08/14/08, 6:51 PM

Originally Posted by Liebestod

Thanks though. Requiring you to do every quest in a zone is a bit much, imo.

That's sort of the point though. The beauty of an/the achievement system is how you can set it up in layers with achievments that are basically impossible to avoid getting, following by the ones you need to play proper to do, followed by the ones that takes out-of-your-way effort to get, followed by the ones that are just plain OCD.

Have a little bit of each and you've got content for, quite literally, all your players, and all you're doing is adding a text line for completion. Or, well, the odd reward here and there. There should be achievements where any sane individual will think "Why would I possibly want to do that?".

... not that my track record with these kind of game systems as left me thinking I'm sane though.

Mikari · 08/14/08, 7:10 PM

Does anyone know of any quests that involve killing Ragnaros? I got the achievement for killing him on beta but I don't have any loot from him on my character and I didn't finish the AQ40 sceptre questline either.

Zaniel · 08/14/08, 7:37 PM

Didn't Rags have a page/chapter for the AQ scepter line?
That's all I can think of though.

• Falk · 08/14/08, 8:29 PM

He also dropped a quest item for Thunderfury, but that's pretty irrelevant for the majority of the playerbase. Odd that it's credited.

What about T2 pants? Heh.

GSH · 08/14/08, 9:16 PM

Maybe tied to Hydraxian rep? You could assume that if the character has max exalted Hydraxian rep, the character has killed Ragnaros. It's not 100% guaranteed, but I would think it would be pretty strong correlation.

Bazookatooth · 08/14/08, 9:34 PM

Originally Posted by GSH

Maybe tied to Hydraxian rep? You could assume that if the character has max exalted Hydraxian rep, the character has killed Ragnaros. It's not 100% guaranteed, but I would think it would be pretty strong correlation.

I believe this is how they would do it. Once you're exalted, to go to 'full exalted' you can only get rep (from 0-999) by killing Rag. So a maxed rep character should get that achievement.

HaklePrime · 08/14/08, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Bazookatooth

I believe this is how they would do it. Once you're exalted, to go to 'full exalted' you can only get rep (from 0-999) by killing Rag. So a maxed rep character should get that achievement.

Golemagg also gives rep 20999/21000 and up.

Shmanel · 08/15/08, 3:51 AM

Originally Posted by HaklePrime

Golemagg also gives rep 20999/21000 and up.

Yes, but after revered, MC is only worth 850 per run (7x100, 1x150) which works out to ~6 months of doing all of MC but Rag, and then another month and a half of just the 150 from Golemagg to get max exalted. I'd venture if it is retroactively awarded based on rep, they decided to just give it to anyone who did that much MC and somehow managed to not kill Rag.

Polishedhead · 08/15/08, 4:30 AM

There may be less than 0.01% of players exalted with Hydraxian Waterlords that haven't killed Ragnaros but there's also a huge percentage of people who have killed Ragnaros but are not exalted; it's soo inaccurate to judge "Ragnaros killed" based on being, or not being, exalted with the Hydraxian Waterlords.

I agree that having Achivements for old contend that are not tracked retroactively is completely pointless.

• typobox · 08/15/08, 12:25 PM

Even if it's hard to track it retroactively, would it not look just a little bit weird if all the other Azeroth raid end bosses had achievements but Ragnaros didn't? Also, I'm pretty sure that there's a blue post somewhere stating a position on retroactive achievements that they'll award them in any way reasonably possible, even if they can't guarantee that everyone that's completed the criteria gets credit.

Mekasha · 08/15/08, 1:12 PM

I know it's not exactly helpful, but I have the Ragnaros acheivement on beta, but I'm both exalted and did the pages quest, so it's checking for at least one of them.

◊ Birdemani · 08/15/08, 1:28 PM

Originally Posted by Bazookatooth

I believe this is how they would do it. Once you're exalted, to go to 'full exalted' you can only get rep (from 0-999) by killing Rag. So a maxed rep character should get that achievement.

I believe this was changed a while back. All bosses still give rep till the end of exalted.

Paragoon · 08/15/08, 2:26 PM

Originally Posted by Liebestod

It really seems like the questing achievements should be broken down by faction somehow. I'm at 107/110 for HF Horde-side and I'm not sure if there are any more. I just completed Grizzly Hills, and it seemed like there must have been no more than 85 quests and you need to do 80 (unless doing the dailies count the first time you do them.) Likewise, I imagine that Alliance might have a hard time in Borean Tundra.

Maybe it's possible in all zones for either faction, but until I find those last 3 HF quests... I'm not so sure, really.

It's worth noting that this is somewhat in place at present in beta.

Compare Nagrand Slamfor Alliance to the Horde version. Alliance need 75 Quests, Horde need 87, likely because of the depth of the Thrall quest Alliance don't have.

Similar precedent is also present in Hellfire Peninsula (Alliance - 80 / Horde - 90) and Terokkar (Alliance - 63 / Horde - 68)

The Wrath quest achievements do not show this separation though.

Freelier · 08/15/08, 2:41 PM

I'll admit it, I'm a fan of silly achievements.

One that I hadn't seen was to transform into a bunch of different forms.

Halloween wands provide a bunch of them.
Engineering provides a large number of others. I'd even count "evil twin".
Getting sheeped, pigged, turtled, and penguined by mages should count.
Frogged by Shaman or various instance mobs as well.
Getting giraffed by Nefarian.
Consumables like noggenfogger and savory deviate delight provide a few more.
The ogre suit in Dire Maul is probably the same as the card game trinket suit. Would that count as only one?
There's probably quite a few card game items, actually.
The Orb drop from heroic MrT.
There's a few that could be retroactively rewarded through quest completion.

Obviously, the goal number would have to be a lot lower than the maximum possible number.

• Fishie · 08/15/08, 2:43 PM

Originally Posted by Mekasha

I know it's not exactly helpful, but I have the Ragnaros acheivement on beta, but I'm both exalted and did the pages quest, so it's checking for at least one of them.

I have the Ragnaros acheievement on beta also, but I'm neither exalted nor completed with the pages quest. I believe that particular achievement is bugged right now - a lot of them are.

• Chicken · 08/16/08, 6:26 AM

Originally Posted by Fishie

I have the Ragnaros acheievement on beta also, but I'm neither exalted nor completed with the pages quest. I believe that particular achievement is bugged right now - a lot of them are.

I don't have Ragnaros on my Paladin, but I do have his achievement on my Priest whom I copied to try and see whether the loot-based part of pre-TBC achievements was working. My Priest is still level 60 and actually has his Leggings of Transcendence equipped though, so I figured that's what triggered the achievement. I have the achievement for killing Onyxia, Nefarian and C'Thun on him too, and the only one of those I've done the "head quest" for is Nefarian.

Maax · 08/18/08, 12:53 AM

Does anyone have the Flame Warden title on horde side? I know I got every fire, and I have all 3 extinguising and all 3 flame keeper achievements, but I am not getting the overall achievement. I think the Desecration of the Alliance Achievement is requireing the alliance versions of the Extinguishing achievements and not the horde ones.

• Chicken · 08/18/08, 5:23 AM

Originally Posted by Maax

Does anyone have the Flame Warden title on horde side? I know I got every fire, and I have all 3 extinguising and all 3 flame keeper achievements, but I am not getting the overall achievement. I think the Desecration of the Alliance Achievement is requireing the alliance versions of the Extinguishing achievements and not the horde ones.

I have the exact same issue, it's specifically the extinguishing of the flames in Kalimdor and Outland that are giving this issue. It does recognize you having completed the Eastern Kingdoms achievement.

Copernicus · 08/26/08, 2:00 PM

MMO-Champion BlueTracker - 3.0 - achievement tracking on live?

Originally Posted by Tigole

Q u o t e:
I know this was not listed in the announcement post, but are achievements going to be a part of the live 3.0 patch? It would be nice to get some of the BC raiding/dungeon achievements out of the way while waiting for WotLK!

Originally, the answer was no. We were going to wait until Northrend opened. But we will most likely put the system live for 3.0. This could of course change but the current leaning is to put the system live with 3.0.

Cuer · 08/26/08, 2:33 PM

Realm Firsts are going in as Feats of Strength, too:

Realm Firsts are implemented in the next beta build although they will be slightly broken due to the fact that we have data issues with existing beta testers. For now, here's the list. We'll probably add more.

Realm First to 80
Realm First to 80
Realm First to 80
Realm first to 450
Realm First 10/25 end-boss kills

Keep in mind, this will be broken on beta realms slightly. For example, in the current build, Realm First Mage to 80 is actually implemented. Well, Daelo, our Lead Encounter Designer, was testing something and leveled a Mage to 80 instantly and got the achievement for the server. On live realms, this will never happen. On live realms, all blizzard employee accounts are not counted toward server-firsts. But this part of the technology was not yet implemented.

Also, when those Realm First achievements go live, they won't be accurate on the beta realms. But on live realms, the data will be pure and the information will display correctly.

Something to note about Realm Firsts:

A Realm First window stays open for 1 minute after initial completion of the Feat Of Strength. This means if 25 people kill Malygos as a Realm First, they'll all get credit. But what this also means is that if two players reach level 80 within a minute of each other, they will both get credit as well.

Surgie · 08/26/08, 2:40 PM

Originally Posted by Maax

Does anyone have the Flame Warden title on horde side? I know I got every fire, and I have all 3 extinguising and all 3 flame keeper achievements, but I am not getting the overall achievement. I think the Desecration of the Alliance Achievement is requireing the alliance versions of the Extinguishing achievements and not the horde ones.

It's somewhat bugged for alliance as well, I had it showing up when I was in outlands but it disappears when I portal into Azeroth. It'll reappear on my title list if I go back to Outlands, but not when I went to Northrend. The achievement itself always shows as completed at all times.

Lasie · 08/27/08, 4:42 AM

Is there any word on what "Achievement Points" are used for? Or guesses?

It does sound like an interesting system, I just hope that it doesn't become a required part of progression (Like Alternate Advancement from Everquest)

◊ Cadfael · 08/27/08, 5:00 AM

The most interesting, and probably overlooked point in that statement from Tigole is the fact you are going to kill Malygos instead of only pacifying him.