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Old 12/18/08, 2:32 AM   #1531
exog
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Have anyone been able to craft ebonweave at the altar in icecrown at low levels? (~72 and up)

After an hour of corpserunning yesterday i was finally able to get to the hole, but after dropping down I was swamped by lvl 79 mobs.

So:
1. Is there a sensible way to get to the altar without having to corpserun through the whole zone? (before you can fly)
2. Once there, is it possible to reach the altar without dying to the mobs around it?

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Old 12/18/08, 6:04 AM   #1532
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Originally Posted by exog View Post
Have anyone been able to craft ebonweave at the altar in icecrown at low levels? (~72 and up)

After an hour of corpserunning yesterday i was finally able to get to the hole, but after dropping down I was swamped by lvl 79 mobs.

So:
1. Is there a sensible way to get to the altar without having to corpserun through the whole zone? (before you can fly)
2. Once there, is it possible to reach the altar without dying to the mobs around it?
Not really. Methods that have been used have included using a second account, some people with a high level char logging in that one, clearing the area, then quickly relogging to their transmute alt.

The best recommendation is to level up your transmuter.

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Old 12/18/08, 6:18 AM   #1533
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Originally Posted by exog View Post
1. Is there a sensible way to get to the altar without having to corpserun through the whole zone? (before you can fly)
2. Once there, is it possible to reach the altar without dying to the mobs around it?
1. Get to Dalaran and get flight point and HS. Go to Argent Vanguard and get FP.
Now you need someone (or yourself, 2nd account) with a vehicle which can carry passengers, get on the vehicle and let you transport to the location.
The problem here is, that when you dismount, you can't "mount back" in most areas due to phasing.
And there are a lot of mobs which will attack the low lvl char on the vehicle, so you might want to bring a 3rd char as "escorte". But then there is still the problem of phasing in some areas, so that the low lvl char gets attacked by mobs, which are invisible for the l80 chars.
The fastest way will still be a warlock ofc.

However, you'd better bring a lot of mats, so that you don't have to do the trip very often.

2. Someone posted on wowhead:
Go there with the main char, kill all the mobs, log to the tailoring twink, create cloth and log out before the mobs respawn.

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Old 12/18/08, 7:13 AM   #1534
exog
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Oki, thanks, due to fourday cooldown, bringing lots of mats is not viable. I also don't have a high level main. So the two best options would be getting an escort to clear the way for me, and/or leveling. Guess ill try to solo it again in 2-3 levels. Want to get started on ebonweave asap.

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Old 12/18/08, 9:48 AM   #1535
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Q: On the PTR the fire seed I have in my pack is now a grey item with no use at all.

A: There was an intentional change made to Fire Seed.
MMO-Champion BlueTracker - Fire Seed is now a grey item.

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I've also heard a rumor that several enchanting recipe's materials have changed, but couldn't confirm that.

Mats/cost for the two new enchantments -

* Enchant Weapon - Ttitanguard: 12 Dream Shards (The pattern itself costs 5 abyss crystals to purchase.)
* Enchant Bracers - Mighty Stamina: 4 Dream Shards, 4 Greater Cosmic Essences, 4 Abyss Crystals (Pattern is 5 abyss crystals as well.)

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Also, Darkmoon Card: Berserker! can proc off of your attacks now (melee only? or ranged and spell as well) and Darkmoon Card: Death gives 85 crit rating instead of haste.

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Old 12/18/08, 10:12 AM   #1536
Mordekhuul
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I read a post that blue replied to (when scanning blue.mmo-champion.com) which listed a lot of Blacksmithing BOE epic changes. Has anyone found a reliable, up to date source on this?

One notable change looked like the addition of a meta-socket and normal socket to the [Tempered Titansteel Helm]

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Old 12/18/08, 10:31 AM   #1537
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Originally Posted by exog View Post
Oki, thanks, due to fourday cooldown, bringing lots of mats is not viable. I also don't have a high level main. So the two best options would be getting an escort to clear the way for me, and/or leveling. Guess ill try to solo it again in 2-3 levels. Want to get started on ebonweave asap.
I reccomend questing. There are a plethora of quests in Outland and Northrend to level on even if you're not-that-hot on mobs, and once you hit 70 you might consider the SSO if you're time limited until those dailies stop forking out reasonable xp. Until such time as you DO level, escort or warlock escort [really, an elaborate escort] is probably your best bet. As a general rule as a tailor [and I had the same rule in TBC], I use my cooldowns every time they're up, as long as obtaining the mats is not cost prohibitive [i.e. forced to use the AH and the gold you spend isn't comprable to cloth price]. Sure, at first it may seem almost silly...I mean, sure, Ebonweave is in high demand, and people want Moonshroud to a degree, but isn't Spellweave the red-headed step child again? But remember that there are crafting recipes to come, and if the progression mirrors TBC like it probably will, the next content patch will include recipes that require all three types...meaning having a stock on hand can be a good profit. Assuming the worst, there's still enchanting bags, and let's face it: just about everyone can use at least one. The amount of primals alone, but adding Frozen Orbs [and whatever will follow them] and stocking up on personal mats to get an enchanter to use...lots of people can learn to love one.

Speaking of said progression, is it possible that Blizzard is waiting to include these recipes as best-in-slot 'perks' again? In TBC, Tailoring was similarly lackluster...you could get your weave-type set which was often best until raiding gear, and get the dungeon based recipes for DPS or Healing to be replaced by mid-level raiding gear, but then there were the raid introduced recipes which seriously competed for best in slot in their bracket until the next level of raiding gear. But how much of a 'perk' is that really? It's kind of like Lightweave for DPS casters...different more than superior. I'm hoping Blizzard makes the BoP crafted items for ALL crafting professions a definite [if small] way to get a perk from having the profession. Not 'omg, this is best in slot, period!' at the time of release, but something based on your class's priorities and current gear setup is a viable replacement for even the tier gear, just not in every case. The exception being the practically inaccessible Sunwell crafteds...woo, these could be best in slot for you, good luck obtaining the recipe or the mats, and hey, it's not going to last long at all!

I was kind of in the minority case where getting the Boots of Blasting recipe in TBC was better than raid DKP for tier tokens...because I couldn't realistically expect to see my token drop AND have the DKP with the guild I was helping raid to get it [Vermillion is looking more seriously at raiding now, so that's less of an issue]. But what about the tailors of that guild? 'Well, these boots were great but now I have my token, no question I'm taking the tier boots'. What about the other professions, where the BoE recipes for BoP items weren't taken by the guild and instead used to sell to fund raiding, because the item was kind of an in joke compared to available gear options instead of at least being a viable stepping stone or mid-way? What about items that are crafted BoE BUT require X level of a profession to equip, making it a profession perk that can be obtained by hitting up more successful raiders?

I guess what I'm really hoping for is to make the raid-instance dropped recipes be more than a stepping stone and not something to make 500g off crafting it for someone else while using their mats. Having the guild blacksmith be as excited they got their recipe as if they had gotten their token would be an amazing improvement over the TBC reality.

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Old 12/18/08, 11:01 AM   #1538
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Originally Posted by Mordekhuul View Post
I read a post that blue replied to (when scanning blue.mmo-champion.com) which listed a lot of Blacksmithing BOE epic changes. Has anyone found a reliable, up to date source on this?

One notable change looked like the addition of a meta-socket and normal socket to the [Tempered Titansteel Helm]
While not 100% reliable (as in a blue post), this thread might be interesting to Blacksmiths and plate wearers. I know that I'll be looking at a new helmet for my warrior.

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Blacksmithing Improvements Discussion

(This topic might be the one you had your information from, but it was news to me, so linking for the greater good).

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Old 12/18/08, 6:04 PM   #1539
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Originally Posted by songster View Post
There's a meta gem recipe listed as dropping from Oculus in either mode. I've done the Heroic a couple of times now and not seen it - does it in fact only drop on normal mode? If so, Oculus Heroic would be a good candidate for another design.
I didn't do Occulus on normal mode. The first time I was there it was on heroic - the pattern dropped at the end but another JC in the group won it. Since then I haven't seen it drop in the 3 times I've been back...

It's unusual because the other JC recipes are all 100% drop even after losing a roll - it's been my experience that with the exception of Occulus, JC recipes have a 100% drop rate when there is a JC in the group that doesn't already have the recipe. If anybody has any experience disproving this theory I'd love to hear it. If nobody does, is it possible that the recipe that drops from Occulus is bugged if somebody has previously lost the roll?

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Old 12/18/08, 6:23 PM   #1540
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Originally Posted by Soralin View Post
It's unusual because the other JC recipes are all 100% drop even after losing a roll - it's been my experience that with the exception of Occulus, JC recipes have a 100% drop rate when there is a JC in the group that doesn't already have the recipe. If anybody has any experience disproving this theory I'd love to hear it. If nobody does, is it possible that the recipe that drops from Occulus is bugged if somebody has previously lost the roll?
I've never done normal Oculus, but heroic about 5 or times, I've never seen the design drop and I am a jewelcrafter myself.
On top of that, we're keeping a list on our guildforums with all gemdesigns everyone has for easy reference, and none of our jewelcrafters listed having that one while I'm pretty sure most (if not all) have done Oculus heroic several times. No idea about the amount of normals they've run.
It definetely doesn't seem to have the same droprate as all the others.

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Old 12/18/08, 9:25 PM   #1541
Cuer
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Two new Blacksmithing BoP weapons were added in the latest 3.0.8 PTR patch, as shown below with dressing room displays. These were taken with a druid, so there's the extra FAP info on the picture (not that a druid ever would make these.) Being two-handed tanking swords, they mainly look like DK weapons.

Titansteel Defender:



Titansteel Deflector:

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Old 12/18/08, 9:32 PM   #1542
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DK tanking weaps, but I'm not sure the defense is worth giving up the higher DPS of naxx 25 drops, especially considering various single target threat issues DKs run into. I guess with the def one+def runeforge+def sigil, you could entirely gem and enchant your gear with threat based stuff and never need any more defense. Interesting design at least, making bop smithing stuff that only DKs will use. Wonder if it means they'll add more bop plans before the patch for other tanking classes.

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Old 12/18/08, 9:41 PM   #1543
Trifle
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It seems odd that they're bop, considering none of the other epic weapons are. And why does the defense sword look like an axe ?

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Old 12/18/08, 9:42 PM   #1544
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It might also just be an oversight from Blizzard, as putting BoP weapons in the game goes against their new profession policy, especially if those items are only useable by 1 class.

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Old 12/19/08, 6:04 AM   #1545
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Actually tanking two-handers are also good for TG warriors if they need to tank, but that might be an even smaller niche, than DK tanks.
Also, are these two new recipes from the trainer? I do not think anyone mentioned this, and assuming doesn't mean it's really true.

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