The WotLK profession thread - Page 117

♦ nathanbp · 03/15/09, 5:18 PM

Originally Posted by Adoriele

My guess is that they want both, and that doing it as a LW will either require fewer scraps as a perk, or is just designed to give easy skillups.

It requires the same number of scraps (5), I'd assumed it was just an easier way to combine large numbers of them, since you can click create all instead of having to right click every time.

songster · 03/15/09, 8:31 PM

Originally Posted by KamPa

That's a weird way to make Alchemy more appealing. It would still be suboptimal profession from min-maxing perspective, but 4 hour flasks combined with free... well, whatever will be in those caches, might save a bit money on consumables. Unless you will just get random ingredients and will be expected to share them with your fellow raiders. They could get to balancing potion mastery vs elixir, though, currently it's absolutely no contest.

My guess is that it's the equivalent to Marks of the Illidari, implemented in a way that doesn't require Blizzard to constantly invent new vendors / duplicate items and remember to update them each time they change around the basic alchemy flasks.

KraxisSingular · 03/16/09, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by nathanbp

It requires the same number of scraps (5), I'd assumed it was just an easier way to combine large numbers of them, since you can click create all instead of having to right click every time.

That was my hope. I am a Skinner/LW but who knows if this might change to Skinner/XX?

• sordee · 03/16/09, 4:15 PM

Originally Posted by Sorry

I wonder why they chose not to put the new glyphs into the insciption research skill but on worlddrop books. Every longterm scribe has by now researched all there is to research so there should be plenty of sources for these new glyphs.
Any info if the books can only be looted by scribes?

Personally I'd rather get a few free easy books a la the world drop cooking/FA recipes instead of continually to burn my rare stash of expensive Snowfall Ink.

As it is a JC currently gets a daily quest to earn money to be able to buy recipes. While a Scribe has to farm up some more herbs (or buy) to collect the snowfall to use in the discovery process for every single recipe.

timski · 03/17/09, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Sorry

Any info if the books can only be looted by scribes?

No. I, and plenty of others have spent many hours farming for these books. So far, nobody has reported a drop. It is possible that "Northrend monsters" is actually a very specific mob (but unlikely). It is possible the books are intended to be ultra-rare. Or perhaps the patch notes are premature, and this book isn't even in the PTR build yet?

Sydane · 03/17/09, 12:51 PM

Seems most likely that it will follow the same drop pattern as the [Damaged Necklace]. As such, I would expect market prices to be similar to average boe patterns since the result is unpredictable (as opposed to specific patterns which the in demand ones become high and the others low). It also makes the investment value very difficult to pin down as you could potentially get multiple glyphs for which there is very little demand.

What it means compared to the current discovery system is that anyone willing to sink a large amount of gold into the books early could potentially have all of the patterns, rather than a slower curve over time. It also means that people who haven't done all the current discoveries will have a way to guarantee getting one of the new glyphs added to their repertoire. The one question I have is if anyone knows if these glyphs will also be discoverable via the current discovery system (making the books a supplement) or if they are available exclusively through the books.

Krag · 03/17/09, 1:07 PM

Northrend herbs now yield more herbs on average.

I did some herbing while testing out some of the Argent Tournament stuff. From 50 plants I got 2 herbs 27 times and 3 herbs the remaining 23 times. It's not a huge sample size but I think it's enough to surmise that the possibility of only getting a single herb from a plant was removed.

Mugsley · 03/17/09, 2:02 PM

I was really hoping they'd look into some sort of specialization for gathering profs. For example, you can choose from either receiving more herbs from a given node, or you can have a higher chance of receiving 1 or more frost lotus / deadnettle / etc. from a given node. For skinning, have something similar where you get either more leather or more drops like Arctic Fur.

I know it's clunky the way I outlined it, but it would bring some uniqueness to otherwise bland gathering profs. As far as the Herb changes, I think this pretty much brings Herb right in line with mining; especially considering a mining node tap almost always gives ore + gem/stone. It looks like they basically made herb nodes "plant ore" nodes.

Edit: have they detailed any of the Tailoring changes? I'm considering rolling a DK as a bag-making / Ench alt, and if I can powerlevel easier after 3.1 I'm going to wait.

Daenerys · 03/17/09, 3:20 PM

Originally Posted by Sydane

Seems most likely that it will follow the same drop pattern as the [Damaged Necklace].

Given that Damaged Necklaces are a supplement to JC recipe gathering and the books for Inscription are apparently going to be the sole source of those new recipes (not to mention the fact that you need 50/3 books to "finish" the profession), I hope to god the drop rate is a bit more significant than the Necklaces. In all my playtime in LK, I've never seen a Damaged Necklace drop, nor has anyone in my guild...given the amount of time we've all put into this game, that points at an extremely low drop rate for those things. Books really should be more common given that they are needed to learn the glyphs and not just a supplement to learning.

Kyai · 03/17/09, 5:34 PM

Looking at the wowhead drop rates Damaged Necklaces seem to have the same droprate as a world-drop epic. Hopefully the new inscription books will be closer to the world-drop cooking patterns.

Mideci · 03/18/09, 6:14 AM

Originally Posted by Kyai

Looking at the wowhead drop rates Damaged Necklaces seem to have the same droprate as a world-drop epic. Hopefully the new inscription books will be closer to the world-drop cooking patterns.

I'm farirly certain that's the intent. There are dozens of new glyphs. The intention would be to have them around fairly quickly given that many are fundamental (I am thinking mutilate for one). While the books may not be on PTR yet; I expect most serious inscribers to have the bulk of the new glyphs within days/a couple of weeks once the patch goes live

• Caniki · 03/18/09, 10:22 AM

I don't really see the point of these books. Why not just add them to Research?

Lezwyn · 03/18/09, 10:53 AM

In case Blizzard intends to put out even more glyphs in later patches, you'd be looking at hundreds of glyphs all tied to the same daily research. For long-term scribes that would be alright, but it makes the profession inaccessable for new ones perhaps?

Montegomery · 03/18/09, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Lezwyn

In case Blizzard intends to put out even more glyphs in later patches, you'd be looking at hundreds of glyphs all tied to the same daily research. For long-term scribes that would be alright, but it makes the profession inaccessable for new ones perhaps?

Rare world drops are more accessible than daily quests and research mechanics? For a wealthy hardcore player this might be true, but the average player will be out of luck. The cost of one BoE recipe could be more than they'd ever spend, or more than they could ever earn from the recipe itself.

If the books were supplemental, as in they functioned as an additional research cooldown, then they would make the profession more accessible. The wording, however, seems to imply that the only way to learn the 50 new glyphs is through these books.

Daenerys · 03/18/09, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Darian_TruBlade

Rare world drops are more accessible than daily quests and research mechanics? For a wealthy hardcore player this might be true, but the average player will be out of luck. The cost of one BoE recipe could be more than they'd ever spend, or more than they could ever earn from the recipe itself.

If the books were supplemental, as in they functioned as an additional research cooldown, then they would make the profession more accessible. The wording, however, seems to imply that the only way to learn the 50 new glyphs is through these books.

Except that perhaps they are not that rare at all. We really have no information yet on drop rates for these, and until that time we should really not worry too much about it. Personally I'm sick to death of doing daily research (not to mention other daily cooldowns on 3 different alts), so even if they are relatively rare, I'm fine with it.