◊ Lord BEEF

It seems like just an error in item design. As an epic one handed weapon, it should be much higher dps if it's not a caster weapon (like 120-140 dps), or much higher spell power if it's designed to be a caster weapon.

I'm sure it'll get updated.

 

Impeesa

Well it's less DPS than the one-handers we used at 70, so I'd hazard a guess that 88.6 is the new caster weapon DPS and the Bonecrusher is the one with the error (copied and pasted from the caster one and forgot to change the dps, perhaps?).

 

Jebraltar

There's no compelling reason for them to raise DPS on caster weapons, especially given that it would involve a bit more spell balance tweaking and it would make caster upgrades from the expansion less impressive. It seems a lot more likely that they're just placeholders with silly DPS numbers so nobody makes them early on and then complains if they get nerfed.

 

Roywyn

They decided to give caster one-handers roughly half the DPS scaling of melee weapons in Wrath. Don't ask me why.

Epic 2handers usually have 30% more DPS than 1handers.

The crafted 1H like Titansteel Guardian should be around 144 DPS when fixed.

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And [Timbal's Focusing Crystal] doesn't proc on AM.
Neither does [The Egg of Mortal Essence] since 3.1.

 

aikiwoce

Here are the spell, and the spell that proc's it's effect for the tailor embroidering patterns.

Lightweave Embroidery - Spell - World of Warcraft - 50% proc-rate
Darkglow Embroidery - Spell - World of Warcraft - 35% proc-rate
Swordguard Embroidery - Spell - World of Warcraft - 50% proc-rate

Click on the second link for each, and you can see the proc-rates I've listed next to them. These appear to be items that a Tailor will make for any class to use.

Edit: Oh, and you guys missed this one The Hog - Spell - World of Warcraft. Click it, for some reason it won't show a tooltip.

Edit 2: These are just funny: Steam-Powered Auctioneer - Spell - World of Warcraft and Scrapbot - Spell - World of Warcraft. Guess what's back, you guessed it (albeit with a funnier name) MOLL-E - Spell - World of Warcraft

 

Vihermaali

Apparently potion sickness is gone:

WoW Forums -> Potion Sickness Gone

*edit* Ah, someone already beat me to it.

Anyway, if mana-potions don't proc potion sickness either, then I really hope blizzard manages to balance mana regeneration right. What I'm saying is, after adding a horde of new mana-regen abilities allowing mana potions seems bit too excessive.

 

Prinsesa

I've updated my post summarizing all currently found Profession information based on the latest build. Feel free to use it as an OP.

On-topic: Still no word on Miner's Revenge and/or Scalp? I suppose they probably scrapped it in favor of the STA and crit strike bonuses, but then Wild Growth is an activated ability.

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Marcos

The debuff doesn't show, but the effect, apparently, is still there.

 

Kazanir

Shouldn't this give an extra green mana every turn?

Did you actually stay in combat for a full two minutes to test this?

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Corronach

I really hope it sticks, it was one change that had my friends and I pretty excited.

 

Malleus

Cite, please.

Vihermaali: I don't see the increased capacity for regen through abilities combined with regular potion use being a bad thing. It seems to me that it would adjust the need for raid consumables without depreciating their power. A player whose mana-management skills are poor will still find them to be a necessity, while a player with good mana-management skills won't necessarily need them, but will have them as a luxury or a safety net. This system would be rewarding skilled players for grinding consumables without forcing them to do so if they want to progress, or making the fights too easy if they do grind.

Example: let's say a Healadin can obtain enough mana to see out Brutallus by chain-chugging mana pots or using a full Divine Plea. The fight won't be made appreciably easier if he can do both - it just means he finishes the fight with 60% mana instead of 10%. Alternately, he could take advantage of his skills to pop a health pot (or a haste pot during Stomp) and make the fight that little bit less stressful.

 

Kazanir

Confirmed; just tested it. Drank a pot, stayed in combat for 2 minutes. Get a, "You cannot drink anymore." message when I try to pot after the cooldown is up.

The implementation seems to be broken though -- now I'm out of combat after writing the above and I *still* can't pot. It's been several minutes since leaving combat.

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Anedris

If they go this route, they can never make an encounter that is challenging because of the mana management aspect. Because if more mana makes it easier, people will chain-chug mana potions on every pull until the boss is dead. It doesn't matter how weak or powerful they are - if using a consumable every two minutes improves someone's chances of winning, progression-oriented raiders will do it. And hate it.

Regards the Brutallus example, suppose the paladin does both and is able to chain a higher rank of holy light the entire fight, allowing his guild to take one fewer healer and one more DPSer. His guild is thereby able to beat Brutallus with weaker gear than would have been required had they needed 7 healers. Or another aspect - healers with extra mana (who can thus afford to spam higher ranks) can make up for an undergeared tank.

The consequence of this is that to make an encounter truly challenging to the bleeding edge (and Blizzard has shown a desire to do this, first in Naxx and then in Sunwell) this consumable use will be required. Because it's there, and if it wasn't required, poor players (the paladin who doesn't know how to sneak in his divine plea) would be able to beat the encounter simply by using the consumables.

 

Melg

That's my opinion. Consumbles are needed because they exist. I for one would rather have them removed and boss encounters retuned accordingly. Problem solved. Perhaps that would also "force" them to adress mana efficiencies of certain classes or specs, if those cannot simply be avoided through chain-potting?

OT: sorry to have to ask about this but how does one get to post new threads? I've searched through the rules, FAQ etc. and can't find out. I have a PvP thread I'd like to start.

 

dukes

The mana efficiencies seem to be being sorted through addition of abilities (i.e. paladin "evocation" style ability), a rework of particular talents for raid synergy (i.e. chance for mana back on rejuvenation ticks), changes to particular talents to make regen stats more desirable (i.e. shadow priest talent for 30% spirit -> dmg), and changes to the spirit formula.

It would appear that potion sickness is confirmed as not working as intended in the current build. I would expect that it will be fixed in the next push, so as per Juices post lets leave that topic alone for the moment and leave this thread for discussion about professions in general.

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Zurgat

I suspect the tailor enchants will have an internal cooldown.
I also wonder whether these take the place of the leatherworker's equivalent of bigger BoP armor patches for legs.

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Melthu

Remember that Leatherworkers will still have drums. You won't be able to keep them up constantly with 4 drummers in your group, but they'll still be useful.

 

Copernicus

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Zaniel

But this affects everyone in your group. It's hardly the same as an extra glyph or better gems or enchants... It's group utility, not (purely) personal benefit. As such, it shouldn't be measured toward what LW gives the player alone. So far, we get just the leg armors.

...Then again, those armors are pretty substantial upgrades from what I'm seeing.

 

nataku

Allowing the other crafting professions to be able to specially modify the crafter's own gear is a nice step toward making the professions pertinent as some of the crafted gear is obsoleted. I felt the pressure to possibly pick up enchanting just for that extra edge from ring enchants, so being able to get a similar edge from tailoring will be welcomed.

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• Feist-Mok

It will also contribute to people wanting to keep multiple versions of the same gear around for different situations, as the variety of unique new on-use and on-proc effects will have people wanting a set of boots with stats, and a set w/ runspeed or whatever - being able to do so without significantly gimping stats by wearing an underpowered blue (as is the case in TBC) is going to encourage this in a big way, and will probably help to reduce the amount of sharding that goes on hopefully.

 

Shakes

It's still raid DPS you're adding, just as much as if you had some personal enchant somewhere. It's not sexy because you don't just help yourself win the e-peen meters, but it's still helping your group. To say drums aren't a positive reason to take a leatherworker to a raid is like saying bloodlust isn't a reason to take a shaman.

You can't use them in arenas which is a drawback compared to the others, but talking purely PvE, you have to take drums into account when talking leatherworking balance vs the other professions.

 

• Rerox

You're not talking PvE, you're talking pure Raid-PvE. What you miss is the whole part of soloplay or small groups play where you don't necessarily use drums all the time.

So drums are still a great help for the part of the game that is called Raid-PvE, but they are useless for PvP, quite useless for solo-play and seldom used in 5-man PvE.

While I enjoy LW, while I enjoy Raid-PvE and while I am looking forward to the cool BoP Leg Enchants, I DO whish very much that there will be more for LW than just Drums and Leg Enchants ... well at least Armor sets are to be expected, and they'll hopefully be better than the ones in BC.

 

Prinsesa

The embroideries are not a Tailoring-specific perk.

What's the deal with the Floral Foundations? I have no idea what's going on there.

Anyway, updated my summarizing post on what we know. Thanks Copernicus.

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Grogzor

Make the tokens exchangeable for materials needed for that profession as well and it sounds like a dandy idea. Flood the market with Herbs and reduce their price.

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