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Old 09/16/08, 6:27 AM   2 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #776
 Chicken
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Originally Posted by Valerys View Post
Red Gems - Runed and Teardrop are the same (spellpower)

Yellow Gems - Great and Rigid are the same (hit rating)
Gleaming and Smooth are the same (crit rating)
Quick now also gives melee/ranged haste rating

Green Gems - Forceful now also gives melee/ranged haste rating
It's also worthy of note that for orange gems, the Reckless variations will now be more useful to healers as they won't have lower healing done compared to other gems. I know I'll be regemming a few pieces of gear because of that.

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Old 09/16/08, 10:13 AM   #777
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Originally Posted by Chicken View Post
It's also worthy of note that for orange gems, the Reckless variations will now be more useful to healers as they won't have lower healing done compared to other gems. I know I'll be regemming a few pieces of gear because of that.
Also for some casters there are now spell power/spirit gems to use in blue sockets as opposed to spell damage/stamina gems (Or farming Blood Furnace like a maniac). Since all crit-based casters need two blue gems for the CSD, this is another slight advantage.
 
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Old 09/18/08, 10:47 AM   #778
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Anyone seen the new alchemy recipes on MMO? Anyone has any info further on the new discovery mechanic? Does the research lab only let you discover flask recipes or transmutes as well? Perhaps even elixir/potion recipes you still don't have yet? At least it seems a lot better than "create a gazillion pots/elixirs and hope for the best" like we have now.

Keep f**king that chicken.
 
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Old 09/18/08, 6:58 PM   #779
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Engineering got 10-charge ammo crates, and an epic DPS gun. Pretty good all in all I'd say. For Hunters.
 
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Old 09/18/08, 7:32 PM   #780
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The gun seems like a decent option for rogues and warriors as well, does it not?
 
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Old 09/18/08, 9:08 PM   #781
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Is there a reason for casters not to spec Tailor / Ench in WoTLK with the perk normalization?

Embroideries + ( Gear crafting + Bag making + Leg enchants + Magic Flying Carpet )

And tailoring is much easier to support given it doesn't require a gathering profession.

I know Blizzard is moving away from min/maxing, but I feel cheated having leveled up JC/Enchanting only to discover Tailors get an equal if not far superior bonus with half the effort made.
 
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Old 09/18/08, 9:38 PM   #782
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Tank Gun?

Originally Posted by Steelfleece View Post
Engineering got 10-charge ammo crates, and an epic DPS gun. Pretty good all in all I'd say. For Hunters.
DPS gun? Could you please link, I have only been able to find the epic tank gun.

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Old 09/18/08, 9:44 PM   #783
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Originally Posted by Socialcrab View Post
DPS gun? Could you please link, I have only been able to find the epic tank gun.
Long-range Cranium Drill

BoE epic. The Nesingwary 4000 is also BoE now. The ammo crates (bullets and arrows) also are BoE and don't require engineering.

The engineering land mounts (Mechano-Hog and Mekgineer's Chopper) are also BoE. They also count for an achievement - Get to the Choppa! - Achievement - World of Warcraft so it's doubtful that they'll be made BoP.
 
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Old 09/18/08, 9:57 PM   #784
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Originally Posted by Gleeful View Post
Is there a reason for casters not to spec Tailor / Ench in WoTLK with the perk normalization?

Embroideries + ( Gear crafting + Bag making + Leg enchants + Magic Flying Carpet )

And tailoring is much easier to support given it doesn't require a gathering profession.

I know Blizzard is moving away from min/maxing, but I feel cheated having leveled up JC/Enchanting only to discover Tailors get an equal if not far superior bonus with half the effort made.

AFAIK there aren't any BoP cloth sets for tailors, the magic carpet is just a silly toy that doesn't really offer anything, bag making/gear crafting is far less profitable than JC in my experience, as gems are basically a consumable while tailored gear is needed once per character at most. I can't find the BoP spellthread on wowhead, but I've been told that it is the same as the BoE version except it is cheaper to make.

So really, the comparison is embroideries vs BoP gems + JC trinkets. I am about to pick professions myself and embroideries don't really look that amazing to me, I'd much rather have the JC BoP gems or the enchanting ring enchants, the leather working wrist enchant, or extra sockets from blacksmithing.
 
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Old 09/18/08, 10:16 PM   #785
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Originally Posted by kysta View Post
AFAIK there aren't any BoP cloth sets for tailors, the magic carpet is just a silly toy that doesn't really offer anything, bag making/gear crafting is far less profitable than JC in my experience, as gems are basically a consumable while tailored gear is needed once per character at most. I can't find the BoP spellthread on wowhead, but I've been told that it is the same as the BoE version except it is cheaper to make.

So really, the comparison is embroideries vs BoP gems + JC trinkets. I am about to pick professions myself and embroideries don't really look that amazing to me, I'd much rather have the JC BoP gems or the enchanting ring enchants, the leather working wrist enchant, or extra sockets from blacksmithing.
I was just lumping the spellthread with things tailoring has to offer. But for all intents purposes lets put aside the non-perk benefits of the professions.

The embroidery is a 50% to proc 800-1000 holy dmg on spell hit every 45 seconds. and -15 haste rating.

The BoP Gems are what?
+7 spell hit
+9 spell power
+7 haste
+whatever socket bonuses you would otherwise not have.

and the JC trinkets are terribly weak, especially if their 5min cooldowns stay.

Somehow the embroidery seems far, far more appealing.
 
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Old 09/18/08, 10:23 PM   #786
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So a few updates on professions-

Inscription -

* No longer has a Glyph Mastery for the bonus glyph slot.
* Inscription's "perk" is now a shoulder enchant. Effectively a bonus of +37 spell power, 64 attack power, 41 spell power and 2 mana/5, or 32 dodge rating. The Sons of Hodir - Faction - World of Warcraft are the epic versions, master's inscription - Wowhead Search are the inscription versions.
* Various tarot cards, but I don't know much about them.
* Discovery system is on a daily basis - Northrend Inscription Research - Spell - World of Warcraft


Leatherworking -

* Finally implemented. No BoP gear yet, but a Fur Lining recipe has popped up on WotLK - Pattern: Fur Lining - Fire Resist
* No BoP epic gear


Tailoring -

* Flying carpets! - Tailoring - Recipes - World of Warcraft


Alchemy -

* On a weekly discovery system - Northrend Alchemy Research - Spell - World of Warcraft
* Four day cooldown for Titanium - Transmute: Titanium - Spell - World of Warcraft
* Three Alchemist stones - Indestructible Alchemist's Stone Mercurial Alchemist Stone and Mighty Alchemist's Stone
* A bunch of new battle elixirs


Jewelcrafting -

* Figurine - Monarch Crab


Engineering -

* Mechano-hog and Mekgineer's Chopper - Spell - World of Warcraft
* Long-range Cranium Drill
* Ultrasafe Bullet Machine and Saronite Arrow Maker


Enchanting -

* Lost the haste ring enchant, gained Enchant Ring - Stamina - Spell - World of Warcraft

Also, tailoring, leatherworking, and blacksmithing all picked up 3-piece epic frost resist sets.
 
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Old 09/18/08, 11:39 PM   #787
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Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
* Inscription's "perk" is now a shoulder enchant. Effectively a bonus of +37 spell power, 64 attack power, 41 spell power and 2 mana/5, or 32 dodge rating. The Sons of Hodir - Faction - World of Warcraft are the epic versions, master's inscription - Wowhead Search are the inscription versions.
Is there a reason that the healing enchant gets a bigger boost than the DPS one or is it simply an oversight?

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Old 09/18/08, 11:53 PM   #788
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Originally Posted by Xaev View Post
Is there a reason that the healing enchant gets a bigger boost that the DPS one or is it simply an oversight?
Greater Inscription of the Crag vs Lesser Inscription of the Crag

The epic healer shoulder enchant doesn't have the right stats currently.
 
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Old 09/19/08, 12:16 AM   #789
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Just to clarify, thought I'd post this here. Copy/paste from something i posted earlier on my guild forums:

Currently, Shoulder Enchants are available to everyone when Honored & Exalted with "The Sons of Hodir" faction.
The Exalted ones are as follows:
- [Greater Inscription of the Crag] (+18 Spell Power & 4mp5)
- [Greater Inscription of the Pinnacle] (+20 Dodge Rating & 15 Defense Rating)
- [Greater Inscription of the Storm] (+25 Spell Power & 15 Crit Rating)
- [Greater Inscription of the Axe] (+40 Attack Power & 15 Crit Rating)

Now compare those with the Specialty Shoulder Enchants (available only to Inscribers), as follows:
- [Master's Inscription of the Crag] (+61 Spell Power & 6mp5)
- [Master's Inscription of the Pinnacle] (+52 Dodge Rating & 15 Defense Rating)
- [Master's Inscription of the Storm] (+61 Spell Power & 15 Crit Rating)
- [Master's Inscription of the Axe] (+104 Attack Power & 15 Crit Rating)

As you can see, the base stat of the BoP Inscription Shoulder Enchants are 150-160% more powerful.
 
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Old 09/19/08, 5:37 AM   #790
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Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
So a few updates on professions-

Also, tailoring, leatherworking, and blacksmithing all picked up 3-piece epic frost resist sets.
Anyone know what these are for? Plenty of Sapphiron kills in Beta without wearing frost resist. Are we to assume this is for something we haven't seen yet?


Also, has anyone actually crafted a Fur Lining to check its stacking w/ enchants or BS sockets?
 
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Old 09/19/08, 7:06 AM   #791
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I can only find one Blacksmithing item that is BoP (a rare quality shield).
Are there any other items that simply aren't on wowhead or are the 2 sockets all they get?
 
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Old 09/19/08, 7:14 AM   #792
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They seem to have moved away from crafting items that are BOP and into profession specific item enhancements.

None of the new tailoring or LW recipes make a BOP item. The epic guns from engineering are BOE. The rare / epic rings and necks from JC are BOE.

The only items I've seen that remain BOP are the JC and Alchemy trinkets.
 
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Old 09/19/08, 7:24 AM   #793
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Originally Posted by Ivriniel View Post
I can only find one Blacksmithing item that is BoP (a rare quality shield).
Are there any other items that simply aren't on wowhead or are the 2 sockets all they get?
It was mentioned in Blizzcast 4 that Armorsmiths may get an ability to apply a second metagem socket to their chests, but that is still a rumor. Looking at the WotLK epic gems two additional sockets are powerful enough. For a tank that would mean two additional +30 stamina gems = an additional 60 stamina (70 with Vitality and BoK). And two additional gems help reaching metagem requirements.
 
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Old 09/19/08, 7:29 AM   #794
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Originally Posted by Halion View Post
Anyone know what these are for? Plenty of Sapphiron kills in Beta without wearing frost resist. Are we to assume this is for something we haven't seen yet?


Also, has anyone actually crafted a Fur Lining to check its stacking w/ enchants or BS sockets?
Most likely for something farther down the line. We shouldn't really expect a resist fight in the first WOTLK raid, but something like Sindragosa, which is probably one of the last bosses before Arthas is a distinct possibility, in the same way that Mother Shaz is one of the last bosses before Illidan.

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Old 09/19/08, 7:36 AM   #795
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I should note that the hog and the chopper don't seem to even have anything to do with Engineering at the moment--it appears anyone can buy them for 5g from a vendor outside the Engineering trainer. Even if they have no Engineering skill whatsoever.

But that's probably just temporary given that there are recipes for them shown there...though I don't know where those recipes are in-game yet (may not exist).
 
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Old 09/19/08, 9:57 AM   #796
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Originally Posted by Prinsesa View Post
Most likely for something farther down the line. We shouldn't really expect a resist fight in the first WOTLK raid, but something like Sindragosa, which is probably one of the last bosses before Arthas is a distinct possibility, in the same way that Mother Shaz is one of the last bosses before Illidan.
The Hundred Club - Achievement - World of Warcraft

This achievement makes it clear that frost resist is intended on Sapphiron.
 
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Old 09/19/08, 11:01 AM   #797
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Just the auras give over 100 frost resist. One would assume that even if no one in the raid is wearing any Frost Resist gear, having the aura/totems up would make it a good bit easier, so the achievement would make sense even in that context. Though it could hint that Naxx will actually hit live a good bit more difficult than it is now (but that seems increasingly unlikely).

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Old 09/19/08, 11:25 AM   #798
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Originally Posted by Threep View Post
The Hundred Club - Achievement - World of Warcraft

This achievement makes it clear that frost resist is intended on Sapphiron.
It is also very possible that Frost resist will only be required for the 25 man version of the raid, seeing that there is no lesser version of the achievement for the 10m size (as of yet). That alone--resist fights--would be a fairly decent way of justifying higher ilevel items in the 25m raids simply because those fights tend to be rather... Annoying.
 
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Old 09/19/08, 11:41 AM   #799
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Engineering goggles - Engeneering Goggles now have stats (added pics of all goggles)

Also, it looks like Tailoring and Leatherworking leg armor perk is a reduced cost for the epic version. I'm not seeing the "buffed" leg armors any more. For actual unique items, leatherworking has Fur Lining and Tailoring has Embroideries.

I'm also not seeing any new Drums recipes from WotLK any more. And the current drums reduce in effectiveness over level 70.
 
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Old 09/19/08, 11:49 AM   #800
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The materials for the goggles seem a lot harder to come by than they used to in TBC, since Titanium bar is kind of the new Arcanite with a 4 day Alchemy transmute. On the other hand epic goggles where added after release of TBC which made the materials more available to begin with.
 
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