The WotLK profession thread - Page 34

Smurrf · 08/13/08, 7:22 PM

If all a glyph cost was gold, pure and simple, then I wouldn't mind the cost as long as it was reasonable.

They don't, though. They cost a resource in order to craft, and at any one point in time, there's only going to be so many herbs able to be used at any given time. We've already seen problems from just one profession having to use herbs as a frequent commodity, which is required to play the game. Now, if glyph swapping means that old ones are destroyed, now there's another drain on a resource that will not just impact the capability of Glyphs to be crafted, but also the usual potions (albeit reduced, if everything goes according to plan), flasks, and elixirs.

Bottom line, it's not just about the glyphs, it's about herb usage and the economy attached to them that will result. (And, as well, the added problem of finding someone who has all of your necessary Glyphs to craft.)

Sayam · 08/13/08, 7:47 PM

I agree that we have seen some problems with herbs in the current incarnation of alchemy. Two things seem to be trying to fix this problem in WotLK. First, the addition of potion sickness will most likely decrease the demand a great deal. Second, inscription can use any of the herbs in an appropriate tier which means that it will not require the single rarest herb that is used in the most elixirs, flasks, or potions. This will also serve to make sure there is some use for all of the high end herbs which would be nice rather than seeing super cheap stacks of felweed at 8g a stack.

Shakes · 08/13/08, 7:50 PM

Originally Posted by Sydane

Especially those who continue to insist the inscriptions should be reusable, because we already know for a fact that they won't be.

We know nothing of the sort. We know from a data-mined message you can overwrite one with another. You can do that with enchants too, but if I enchant one weapon with mongoose, and another weapon with executioner, I can use both. Along the same lines, there's nothing currently known that would rule out swapping whole sets of glyphs (maybe with the two specs).

Duilliath · 08/13/08, 8:00 PM

Originally Posted by Sydane

Nothing in the interview indicates that you can swap glyphs out, only that you can swap them in. Data mining from the client shows that removing a glyph destroys it.

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There's no epic flying to buy this time.

It might simply mean the *effect* of the Glyph is destroyed, or the Glyph is destroyed in the 'active' book - yet stays in your big book o' glyphs which you can chose from.

Secondly, there will be 'Cold Weather Flying', which'll likely be another gold sink.

Lastly, Blizzard made WoW huge on the premise of "If something isn't fun, we won't do it". Grinding isn't fun. Restricting stuff isn't fun. As a result, the grinds that were/are around are continuously being made easier and more emphasis is placed on having extra time to do fun stuff instead of grind for 10 hours/week just to be able to pay the weekly maintenance for raiding. This isn't Evergrind we're talking about.

Smurrf · 08/13/08, 8:11 PM

Cold Weather Flying is NOT, repeat NOT a gold sink. The quest line for it is in game, and it's very minimal (from what I understand, it actually makes you money.) The gold sink that has been released is the epic rings that allow you to teleport to Dalaran.

aikiwoce · 08/13/08, 8:39 PM

kysta · 08/13/08, 9:13 PM

Originally Posted by Smurrf

If all a glyph cost was gold, pure and simple, then I wouldn't mind the cost as long as it was reasonable.

They don't, though. They cost a resource in order to craft, and at any one point in time, there's only going to be so many herbs able to be used at any given time.

I'd expect there to be alternate sources of glyphs other than just the player created ones. Look at jewelcrafting, while the majority of JC gems are created by jewelcrafters there are also various quest reward gems, honor bought gems, and gem drops in heroics. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple glyphs for each class are available through alternate means other than player-crafted.

Copernicus · 08/13/08, 9:46 PM

Originally Posted by aikiwoce

Don't have stats for most of these, but here's a complete list of all crafted items I've found so far in build 8788:

Assumed Level 80 2-pc sets
Moonshroud Robe -
Moonshroud Gloves -

Ebonweave Robe -
Ebonweave Gloves -

Spellweave Robe -
Spellweave Gloves -

Spellthread
Master's Spellthread - "Permanently embroiders your pants with master's spellthread, increasing spell power by 50 and Stamina by 30. Only the tailor's pants can be embroidered, and doing so will cause them to become soulbound."
Sanctified Spellthread - "Permanently embroiders your pants with sanctified spellthread, increasing spell power by 50 and Spirit by 20. Only the tailor's pants can be embroidered, and doing so will cause them to become soulbound."

Not too big a fan of the BoP gear. Maybe it will be better this time around.

Those spellthreads are strange though. Can you check on Sapphire and Brilliant Spellthreads? From the patch just before this one, they have the exact same stats.

aikiwoce · 08/13/08, 9:53 PM

Originally Posted by Copernicus

Not too big a fan of the BoP gear. Maybe it will be better this time around.

Those spellthreads are strange though. Can you check on Sapphire and Brilliant Spellthreads? From the patch just before this one, they have the exact same stats.

The thing is, this time BoP gear is almost guaranteed to be better. I don't think we'll have school-specific sets, but rather sets focused around different stat combinations. e.g. low crit/haste, high crit/haste, mana regen sets.

I'm also assuming that the stats are placeholders on the BoP Spellthreads. It looks like the 4 previous ones will be craftable in this build.

Prinsesa · 08/13/08, 11:38 PM

Any word on those bag sizes for players thinking about buying Gigantiques?

If this is the case; inscription will be a strong money maker in the beginning, then trickle off in the months after release.

However, a "consumable glyph" arrangement would be a better long-term money maker.

A lot of people seem to assume that Glyphs are supposed to be Inscriptions money-maker, when in fact that doesn't have to be the case.

Inscription can produce Scrolls of Stats, which may very well be another raiding consumable on the scale of Elixirs and Flasks.

Inscription can also produce Enchanting Scrolls, and I expect making bank off of Enchanters who want to sell their rare enchants on the AH.

Finally, we're looking at 18-25 Glyphs per player, with hybrids potentially buying every last one of them for their different roles. That's a LOT of Glyphs to provide, even as a one-shot deal.

TL;DR: Persistent and hot-swappable Glyphs are not something that would lessen the profit margins of Inscriptions if it was never meant to be their major money-maker in the first place.

EDIT: Edited my summarizing post again to reflect Embroderies as BOP, new spellthreads and other info.

Falk · 08/14/08, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Prinsesa

Any word on those bag sizes for players thinking about buying Gigantiques?

I'd assume they're all +2 from TBC sizes, as TBC sizes were +2 from Classic. Even if they were bigger though, I bought out full Gigantiques. It's just the same argument as 'why farm for gear when it'll all get replaced eventually' but just not in a direct character power level context.

It's not like gold is hard to come by in today's game, anyway.

kharen · 08/14/08, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by Prinsesa

Any word on those bag sizes for players thinking about buying Gigantiques?

Frostweave is 20-slot, Glacial is 22-slot:

Specialised/tradeskill bags look to be going to 32-slots:

Paprikka · 08/14/08, 1:05 AM

Speaking of bags, is that list the only four that currently exist? I assume the first three bags are soul shard bag, the 22(?) slot bag, and the enchanting mats bag. That would leave the last one as the Imbued Netherweave bag equivalent, since it takes Imbued Frostweave. I'm hoping they simply forget the cheap Frostweave bag.

As for Gigantique bags, assuming as Falk said that every bag is going up two, the Glacier bag would have 22 slots as well. And then if you consider most people will be using their cloth cooldowns for their own gear/bags, how many cloth the bag takes, and inflation you would probably end up getting Gigantique bags for cheaper for a long time still.

Edit: Bah Kharen posted pictures while I was typing, although I'm still interested if skipping a cheaper 18 slot bag is intended or an oversight, seeing as how the bag is called simply Frostweave and not Imbued Frostweave bag.

Cuer · 08/14/08, 2:55 AM

Many of the jewelcrafting designs for various Rare quality gem and metagem cuts, can now be purchased with 8 each of Dalaran Jewelcrafter's Token. This appears to be related to the Blizzcast info about buying recipes with tokens obtained from daily profession quests. The full list of recipes can be seen here.

Roywyn · 08/14/08, 3:48 AM

They fixed the melee 1H Blacksmithing mace to 143 DPS now, as expected.

They slightly overshot with the caster mace though, 490 spell power

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