The WotLK profession thread - Page 35

Hildegard · 08/14/08, 4:09 AM

The first page is updated with a summarizing by Prinsesa.

Rerox · 08/14/08, 5:01 AM

Originally Posted by Roywyn

They fixed the melee 1H Blacksmithing mace to 143 DPS now, as expected.

They slightly overshot with the caster mace though, 490 spell power

I am wondering though why the Blacksmithing weapons do count as BoE and come without a Profession-prereq.
Do you think that's just missing or are those really intended BoE-weapons and the true BoP-ones will still come?

Prinsesa · 08/14/08, 5:31 AM

Originally Posted by Rerox

I am wondering though why the Blacksmithing weapons do count as BoE and come without a Profession-prereq.
Do you think that's just missing or are those really intended BoE-weapons and the true BoP-ones will still come?

I believe these are the WOTLK equivalents of the BOE BS epics:

Titansteel Bonecrusher is to [Runic Hammer]
Titansteel Guardian is to [Eternium Runed Blade]
Titansteel Destroyer is to [Fel Hardened Maul]

ildon · 08/14/08, 6:42 AM

Originally Posted by Roywyn

They fixed the melee 1H Blacksmithing mace to 143 DPS now, as expected.

They slightly overshot with the caster mace though, 490 spell power

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...guardianv2.jpg

82.9 base DPS? Did they increase the base DPS of any other caster maces? Or maybe they're still tweaking that item.

Edit: Another caster mace with increased (meaning "more than ~41.5") base DPS: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...ish_rew_04.jpg

Prinsesa · 08/14/08, 6:49 AM

Originally Posted by ildon

82.9 base DPS? Did they increase the base DPS of any other caster maces? Or maybe they're still tweaking that item.

Edit: Another caster mace with increased (meaning "more than ~41.5") base DPS: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...ish_rew_04.jpg

I did some searching around, and it appears that the minimum DPS for a caster weapon scales with ilevel.

That is, it's still not spending anything on weapon DPS, but it's getting more anyway just from being higher level.

Roywyn · 08/14/08, 6:58 AM

Originally Posted by ildon

82.9 base DPS? Did they increase the base DPS of any other caster maces? Or maybe they're still tweaking that item.

Edit: Another caster mace with increased (meaning "more than ~41.5") base DPS: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...ish_rew_04.jpg

All caster weapons now scale with about half as fast as melee weapons
Weapons - Items - World of Warcraft

Don't ask me why, maybe a paladin thing or so.

bellator · 08/14/08, 10:24 AM

Just a small change, but the smelting of titansteel now requires 3 Eternal Earth and 1 Eternal Water as opposed to 4 Eternal Earth (though the description still reads 4 Eternal Earth)

Prinsesa · 08/14/08, 11:32 PM

I originally did this breakdown for the WOTLK Ret thread, but I thought people who're planning for new professions might be interested.

Profession-specific stat advantages:

* Mining: has a 12 stat advantage (+35 STA)

* Skinning: has a 25 stat advantage (25 crit rating)

* Blacksmithing: has a 32 stat advantage assuming 2 extra sockets with rare gems, or a 40 stat advantage assuming epic gems.

* Leatherworking: has a 33 stat advantage (18 crit rating + 30 AP over the non-BOP Leg Armor)

* Alchemy: has a 45 stat advantage (90 AP over a non-Mixology Flask of Endless Rage). This may change depending on new Elixirs/Flasks.

* Enchanting: has a 40 stat advantage (2x 40 AP or 2x 20 haste rating)

* Jewelcrafting: Each BOP gem you use is an 11 stat advantage over a rare gem, or a 7 stat advantage over an epic gem. This makes JC into a possible 7 stat advantage at the extreme low end or an (11 * x) stat advantage at the extreme high end, where x is the number of stats you find useful for your toon or the maximum number of sockets you have, whichever is lower.

To follow: Can any beta Alchemists report back on the effects of Mixology with the newer Flasks/Elixirs besides Endless Rage? I'm wondering if the 50% increase is constant across the board.

Also, Tailoring is not evaluated yet, since the Brilliant and Sapphire Spellthreads, which are supposed to be the epic BOE threads still have equivalent stats to the Master's and Sanctified Spellthreads, which are supposed to be BOP Tailoring-specific.

Shakes · 08/14/08, 11:36 PM

Jewelcrafting also has the advantage that the gems are prismatic (count as red/blue/yellow), so you can hit a socket bonus or activate a meta without putting in a sub-optimal gem like you often have to.

Playered · 08/14/08, 11:59 PM

At level 75 (with 0 talents)

Healing Power:
26 Spell Power & Spirit gave 29 Spirit and 30 Spell Power with Mixology.

Draenic Wisdom:
30 Int & Spirit gave 35 each with Mixology.

Major Agility:
35 Agi & 20 Crit gave 40 Agi and 25 Crit with Mixology.

Seems roughly a 15% increase or so? I thought Healing Power granted more back when I was 70/71 but that was also when there was Alchemists Blood instead of Mixology.. maybe worth checking with people of a different level in case.

Fragged · 08/15/08, 4:18 AM

Originally Posted by Prinsesa

* Leatherworking: has a 33 stat advantage (18 crit rating + 30 AP over the non-BOP Leg Armor)

Plus drums (granted drums don't stack, but there's an obvious reason why leatherworking is lower on leg armor than blacksmithing, tailoring, or enchanting it's less clear why jewelery crafting is so limited, but the gems are "prismatic" which means they match any socket color in theory letting you get mroe socket bonuses.)

Gabnakh · 08/15/08, 4:53 AM

Are there only melee bop leg enchants for lw?

Towards the end of tbc, i've noticed that there were no new rewards for dps caster leatherworkers (eg sunwell items), while those items did exist beforehand (netherstrike set and such). Is that a trend that will continue, so that Blizzard wants casters to drop leatherworking and go into tailoring/jewelcrafting/inscriptions instead?

boe caster leg enchants were a tailoring item from the start, and I don't have a problem with that, but it would be nice to keep leatherworking as a leather/mail caster and still be able to get something useful out of the profession comparable to melees.

Prinsesa · 08/15/08, 5:02 AM

The only LW leg enchants that we know of add AP and crit, so nothing for caster Druids and Shaman.

That being said, there are still spell power leather and mail items craftable by LWs:

Mail:
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...herwork_15.jpg
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http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...herwork_20.jpg

Leather:
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...herwork_43.jpg
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http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...herwork_47.jpg

Avitus · 08/15/08, 1:37 PM

Hi there. Coming from an ongoing discussion over at the Retribution thread regarding professions and we've hit a few snags that someone here might have more info about:

-"Multiple profession-perk exploit": Currently in TBC, there's no restriction on enchanting rings then dropping enchanting for another profession, or making JC only gems, then dropping the profession while keeping the perks. With all the new profession perks in WotLK this can be taken up to extremes.

It has previously been established according to this post (http://elitistjerks.com/850882-post406.html) that blacksmithing sockets add a blacksmithing requirement to whatever item you socket.

Is this also going to be applied to using JC gems, tailor enchants, LW armor patch, engineering enchant and enchanting rings? If anyone with said professions can test this on beta, it would be very useful.

And a few questions so we can start modeling the benefit of individual perks:

-Engineering glove enchant:
[Hyperspeed Accelerators]

Has anyone actually made this one beta to see the cooldown?

-Tailoring cape enchants:

[Swordguard Embroidery]
[Darkglow Embroidery]
[Lightweave Embroidery]

Anything known yet about any of the proc details (proc rate, internal cd, proc duration)?

Roywyn · 08/15/08, 2:45 PM

[Flashing Dragon's Eye] has a JC375 requirement while [Great Bladestone] doesn't.
So future gems are likely covered.

The other Engineer/Tailor Enchants are not out yet as far as I know, just datamined for now.

But they are very aware of the issue of profession-hopping and I expect them to close the loopholes that exist now.