Change that to "World's worst scope". Unless it affects melee of course, which seems unlikely.
The simple fact that Blizzard wants to add a Haste scope leaves me a little depressed. Haste is just about the most costly and least scaling stat for Hunter in Wrath. Yet they want us to get it. That appears to indicate that they don't really understand that situation. It is a horrible scope. And in general the scopes unveiled as actual downgrades in effect over the current scopes given that we need about 2.08 times the stats at 80. There better be even better scopes. Because these truly don't cut it. We go from 1.26% crit -> 0.87% crit and 1.90% hit -> 1.22% hit.


The glove enchant... *sigh* Haste again. Worthless more or less.

Stamina trinket appears to me a great melee trinket. Hunters are once again left standing around wondering where our version is.

The tanking goggles look to be pretty nice. The combined little things are also pretty nifty, but basing a profession on those is hardly effective.

Ammo looks nice. 10ish DPS up from MH ammo, but single stacks again? Come on now Blizzard, you can't be serious we are reverting to single stacks. Not so much a knock on Engineering than on Hunters in general.

The injectors appear to be decidedly expensive. Current injectors cost 2 knothide leather and 4 fel iron bars. These things look considerably more expensive. Not very conductive I would say.

Explosives look ok, though I must say they are a little on the weak side aside from the explosive decoy (the one thing I really like about the stuff posted).

Epic tanking gun... AGAIN??? I hope that is some sort of sick joke on their part. It is just not very friendly towards Hunters. Of course it could just be one of several guns, but we only have TBC to go by, and there we had one epic, also this one is BoP indicating it is a perk for Engies. The same goes for the Blue DPS gun. Wow, a very very marginal upgrade from my crossbow... So where are the good things?

If this is the average appearance of Engineering then I guess I ahve to find another profession, as it is clearly not very good for Hunters anymore. Which is sad as I really like my flying machine, but I can't keep a profession for a simple mount skin, that would be plain stupid on my part.

I agree, the increase is somewhere around 40-50% for most gear enchants (the hit scope only increases by 33.3% though), however they have made no leg patches that are that horrible. I mean one class can effectively use scopes, yet that class shouldn't use one of them. Silly, no?

You are comparing what is essentially a lvl 60 enchant (as it was a top end enchant back then) to a lvl 80. Yes, it better be better. The thing we don't know if is this has a minumum range and/or cast time. In case of the first melee can't use it well in raids. In case of the second neither melee nor ranged would like it. In any case there is bound to be another agi enchant on gloves.

In regards to the trinket: What is near then? 20 yards? 30 yards? 40 yards? 40 yards would make this trinket proc for melee in situations where it would be wasted more or less. Same with 30. Imagine using it in an Arena or BG, sneaking around combat to get to some tasty healer and the trinket procs and runs out before you get there, it is after all only 10 seconds. And eventhough Hunters could use such a proc mechanic better even they wouldn't like it to proc when they aren't actually interested in it. The only 'safe' way is to make it proc when you are in melee. I'm assuming that Blizzard understands that.

Well the only current epic crfted ranged weapon is a tanking gun. There are quest blues that are better for DPS than it for Hunters, it is pretty good for BGs though, but who gears for BGs? So it is far from an impossible situation that this could happen again, after all it happened this time. There was plenty time to add some higher recipies for guns, but it didn't happen.

Just because the item the crafter made would be "unenchanted" doesn't mean it would have to be easy to make. It could require BoP as well. However, I have no intention of trying to turn this into a "coulda, woulda, shoulda" thread, so I'll just leave it at that.

And in regards to the last few posts, it's kind of hard to say what is and isn't good considering we don't have all the maths we need to figure out what is "good" or "bad."

Scopes having effects on melee would hurt rogues even more. It is kind of a shame that we have to sacrifice use bows, guns and crowsbows instead of throwing weapons or sacrifice DPS.

So unless something similar to scopes could be attached to throwing weapons these changes wouldn't really work well together with the new emphasize on throwing weapons and rogues (Fan of Knives for example). We have many things not really fitting, like a carrot on a stick speeding up a flying machine, but scopes on throwing weapons seem a bit too akward.

Speaking as a JC, I liked them as world drops because I could pay for them with the cuts I subsequently made within a relatively short time frame, and it allowed me to progress at the rate I chose, rather than being forced by an artificial restraint to only be able to get a maximum of 1 recipe per 5 days. Thats also assuming I don't slack off and do actually log on every day to do the dailies as well.

I would hope they remain as world drops, but are also available from the dailies. Or something similair.

They won't because you can't autoshoot thrown weapons on a hunter.

The scopes will almost certainly only effect ranged. It would be rather silly for blizzard to make the same mistake twice, like it did with the biznick's scope from molten core.

I thought you were implying that hunters would be rolling on thrown weapons over melee because they'd be able to scope them. Reading your post again I was dead wrong. Apologies.

I'm going to go ahead and concur with McInaction tho, why fix scopes only to work on ranged then break it again? It's not like using a bow or gun in PvE is that terrible anyway, it'll just be one more thing to enchant.

We have class abilities or with deadly throw at least one of them and a new talent that allows to interrupt spells with Deadly Throw even without the PVP gloves. It's mostly no big deal but having a ranged snare or snare plus interrupt is one more ability I can use and having to sacrifice it because on nearly every level the bow/gun/crossbow has better stats than my throwing weapon.

It wouldn't be of any disadvantage for anyone if throwing weapons had competitive stats. But that is not really the topic here.

I don't think this has been mentioned, but the Glove, Cloak, and Boot Engineering enchants seem rather explicitly tradeable goods. As nice as not being tempted to take up Engineering is, I really think this takes away from the profession. The boot enchant especially seems strong considering other options.

All of these enchants mention in their description "allowing a skilled engineer to <effect>". In other words, they're BoE, but they're still exclusive to engineers.