I agree that it las limited PvE viability at level 80. However, Portals deck (10% chance to proc self-rez upon death) is very popular in BGs, especially among the squishy classes. I can see a market for this deck at any level.


I'm sure that people will find uses for the other decks as well.

Maybe Frostmourne is somewhat of a special case, but from collecting DMF decks for rep across the span of 8 months, I hawked the AH for decks and cards. I basically kept track of who had Aces and/or complete decks at all times. I can count the number of times a Beasts or Portals deck actually succesfully sold (with profit) on one hand. Basically you'd see the same idiot listing up the deck over and over again, with the price slowly dropping till it became 'cheap' enough for me to buy and add to my stockpile of decks. Or as it went lower, another idiot would buy it out and relist it again, only to have the cycle repeat and the price drop slowly. By 'cheap', I'm talking about the 200-300g range.

What can I say? Grats buying out the Aces for a shit ton of money to make a deck no one even wants.

The portals deck I can understand because that one is kind of gimmicky, but if people aren't snapping up the beasts deck for pretty much any price then I'm pretty sure they just don't understand how good it is for some healers =/

When I commented on the portals deck, I was referring to it being a good option for those moments when you may ask yourself questions such as "hey I wonder if this jump will kill me?", "I wonder how hard this guy hits", or "I wonder if I can solo this group quest?", or just a time saver while doing anything trivial that may cause random deaths. Beyond that, it only really has comedic value on a 5v5 team if your entire team has it and you can get multiple procs.

The mana regen deck can be the best in slot trinket for some very extremely "focused" gear sets(/play styles), as well.

As of 9:30pm EDT, inscription's lesser glyph research still exhibits this behavior, but an alchemist's elemental transmutes do not. Reported via /bug just in case.

To follow up on another topic on which I had incomplete data earlier:

At this time, if you create a new first level character in beta, you do not have a glyph tab at all. Creating a new 55th level Death Knight, you have a glyph tab, and four out of the six slots are active. You can use two major and two minor. Mousing over the inactive minor glyph, it says "unlocked at level 70". Mousing over the inactive major glyph, it says "unlocked at level 80".

This is also consistent with what my other characters see (ie. my 62 priest and 60 shaman see the same thing, and my 70 paladin, 70 hunter, 71 warlock, and 73 druid all have 3 minor and 2 major slots).

Unfortunately, I only have one character copy left for this phase of beta and for this phase of the PTR, and I don't want to blow it on lower level alts quite yet. Can someone else report what they see with characters of other levels?

A little more research reveals the truth:

Source.

Maybe I've been out of the loop, but what does +15 engineering do besides being able to make things earlier than non gnome engineers.

For instance, Gnomish Army knife, Shouldn't gnomes be able to use that the resurrecting feature at 450 and not have to be 465? ( a.k.a grand master )

We've all heard that Blizzard wants to reduce crafters' dependance on rare world drops. Instead, WOLK will focus more on daily crafting quests and BOP drops in instances. Source.

I haven't had much luck finding information the frequency of recipe drops in instances. Is this happening yet on beta? If so, are you seeing rare drops in the lower level dungeons or just at high level?

The only recipes I have seen drop anywhere at all in beta so far have been the statless "vanity cooking" ones, "last week's mammoth" and "bad clams".

I have seen recipes from rep vendors, and I know they're available via token turn-ins. I have also gotten recipes via deliberate discovery -- a trade recipe called "research" that has a cooldown and guarantees a discovery when you use it. IMO these are all superior to drops if you want to plan.

I know that useful drop recipes still exist. I simply haven't seen any yet. But my highest character is just shy of 74, and has only run two instances (Nexus And Utgarde Keep).

And the statless vanity recipes means the people who like the surprise of recipe drops are also getting that -- regardless of what you think of them, a lot of people get very very excited when they get a BoP cooking recipe drop that does nothing but "make you sad". I like it so far.

Speaking as someone who got exalted with every faction but only one instance recipe drop, and never got any discoveries other than transmutes, I love the changes to the system they have made. I have no problem at all with things like the Chocolate Cake recipe being rare, or other novelty items, or even some things like minor glyphs. But when I can't enchant my friends' gear with what they need, and elixir mastery is completely wasted because I have no flasks to make, and that's only because the RNG gods hate me, it makes me feel like I have professions for no reason at all. The daily quest token system in particular I think is a brilliant solution and potentially profitable in those early months where people won't have every single one.

I can tell you that the recipe for Heavy Frostweave Bandanges drops in instances. Dense Frostweave (bandages that don't heal as much as Heavy, but do it in 4 seconds vs 8) did, but was changed; it currently doesn't drop anywhere as far as I know. I don't know about any other professions.

The Heavy Frostweave bandage book drops outside of instances as well, it just has a chance of dropping from every single mob above level 75 or so, and won't be visible to you any more if you already have it.

As a jewelcrafter I've received BoP meta gem designs (Bracing, Eternal and the new Austere) from normal instance end bosses, in Oculus, Utgarde Pinnacle and Halls of Lightning respectively. They all dropped the first time I did the corresponding instances.

I've also found two designs off non-instance mobs, both in Storm Peaks and both BoP. One was from mobs that only seem to spawn for a quest though, the ambushers when you mine the giants for the Sons of Hodir quest.

The farmable world drops are fine, they can be annoying, but if you stick with it you will get them. The high chance drops from bosses are generally fine too, run the instance a few times and you will get it. The rare drops that dropped from mobs where there were as few as 2 or 3 in an entire instance run, thus resulting in being completely luck based and all but impossible to farm, those were my bane. Hopefully they will be kept to a minimum in LK.

Has anyone actually found the recipe for this yet? I have yet to locate it.

Does anyone have any information concerning the removal of the extra glyph that inscribers were going to be able to get? I was stockpiling herbs to plvl inscription at 3.0 so I could have 4 majors at lvl 80. However, with this subtraction to the proffession it seems that inscription is not a viable end game raiding profession. Thanks in advance.

Inscription gets improved versions of the Shoulder enchants now at level 80, no benefit to at it level 70 though. It's 64 more attack power, 37 more spell power, or 32 more dodge rating over what you get from the normally available version of the enchants. And that's basically roughly equal to what other professions get as permanent benefits (E.G. benefits that aren't linked to BoP items you might make that you might end up replacing).\

Plus you get 15 minute "Hearthstone Scrolls"!

Um, unless it's changed, it sends you to your own hearth location. It's a carbon copy of Astral Recall.

Not having to grind sons of hodir to exalted is a massive bonus, as you can only do 1000 rep a day (and thus it will take around a month of 4x daily a day)

There's higher "ranks" of the Scrolls now. Rank 2 works up to level 70 and requires ink made from Outland herbs, rank 3 works up to level 80 and requires ink made from Northrend herbs.

To further elaborate on what Chicken just said, and explain why everyone's actually right on this one...

The objects have ranks. "Scroll of Recall", "Scroll of Recall II", et cetera.

They have level requirements on them. But the level requirements don't stop you from using them. They make them unpredictable instead.

If at 80th level you use the first scroll, it might take you home, or it might take you to a random location.

If you use the one intended for your own level range, it always takes you exactly where you want to go.

Can't you wear their tabard in instances and get rep as well?

There is no sons of hodir tabard.