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Old 10/03/08, 3:45 PM   #1001
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Originally Posted by Flamingcloud View Post
Not having to grind sons of hodir to exalted is a massive bonus, as you can only do 1000 rep a day (and thus it will take around a month of 4x daily a day)
Are there items one could buy from the AH to get exalted?

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Old 10/03/08, 3:51 PM   #1002
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Originally Posted by Flamingcloud View Post
There is no sons of hodir tabard.
This frankly seems the best reason yet to be an inscriber on your raiding main. Then drop inscription once you are finally exalted if you would prefer a different profession.
 
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Old 10/03/08, 3:58 PM   #1003
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After looking over a few guides and wanting to power level my DK from 1-450 blacksmithing I compiled a guide for myself and for my guildies on a relatively painless process to follow when skilling up. That is if you can consider mining 600 iron bars, 400 thorium, and loads of stone to weigh donw 2 bank tabs painless

Google Docs - bsmith

It goes from 1-450 using 90% trainers to do it. Granted there are a few small areas you'll want to have some mats for and my spreadsheet has padded accordingly. If you have all this on hand from day 1 you can crush your way through blacksmithing in as long as it takes for you to ship the materials around. 1-350 is about 2600 items so that's 300 bank slots full. Wrath is about 700 items.

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Old 10/03/08, 4:34 PM   #1004
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Originally Posted by sadris View Post
Are there items one could buy from the AH to get exalted?
Nope nothing.. no mobs, no items, no quests after around honored, a non-human would probably need to do 40 days of dailies to hit exalted. Which is obviously a huge pain for alts.
 
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Old 10/03/08, 4:50 PM   #1005
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Originally Posted by Threep View Post
As a jewelcrafter I've received BoP meta gem designs (Bracing, Eternal and the new Austere) from normal instance end bosses, in Oculus, Utgarde Pinnacle and Halls of Lightning respectively. They all dropped the first time I did the corresponding instances.

I've also found two designs off non-instance mobs, both in Storm Peaks and both BoP. One was from mobs that only seem to spawn for a quest though, the ambushers when you mine the giants for the Sons of Hodir quest.

Sounds like they're dropping primarily in Level 80 instances.

Good. I've been planning on switching my tank's professions from Mining/Herbalism to Mining/Jewelcrafting. But if most of the good BOP recipes show up later in the game, then I'll hold on to Herbalism until at least level 64 (maybe longer if gathering is more valuable than the JC dailies).


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Old 10/03/08, 5:25 PM   #1006
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Originally Posted by Cybelirrae View Post
This frankly seems the best reason yet to be an inscriber on your raiding main. Then drop inscription once you are finally exalted if you would prefer a different profession.
You lose perks for most of the professions if you drop them (enchanted rings will give no bonus, blacksmith sockets have no effect even with jewels in them, etc.). I would not be surprised if the shoulder enchants are the same way.
 
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Old 10/03/08, 5:31 PM   #1007
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Originally Posted by Illian View Post
You lose perks for most of the professions if you drop them (enchanted rings will give no bonus, blacksmith sockets have no effect even with jewels in them, etc.). I would not be surprised if the shoulder enchants are the same way.
That's why he said to switch after you hit exalted (so you can get faction shoulder enchants instead of inscription shoulder enchants) and only if you prefer a different profession.
 
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Old 10/03/08, 5:34 PM   #1008
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Originally Posted by Illian View Post
You lose perks for most of the professions if you drop them (enchanted rings will give no bonus, blacksmith sockets have no effect even with jewels in them, etc.). I would not be surprised if the shoulder enchants are the same way.
I believe he meant that you can switch from Inscription after you are Exalted with the Sons of Hodir and use the normal epic shoulder enchant. Until you're Exalted with them (which, as previously stated, takes over a month) the Inscription enchant gives a larger bonus, since it is compared to the blue enchant.
 
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Old 10/03/08, 5:59 PM   #1009
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Originally Posted by Korhaug View Post
I believe he meant that you can switch from Inscription after you are Exalted with the Sons of Hodir and use the normal epic shoulder enchant. Until you're Exalted with them (which, as previously stated, takes over a month) the Inscription enchant gives a larger bonus, since it is compared to the blue enchant.
Thank you for clarifying for me, but yes, this is exactly what I meant. I do not look forward to relevelling enchanting afterwards, however. It may be that inscription would then remain my 2nd profession (I will keep leatherworking for sure). This Sons of Hodir grind sounds like a serious drag.
 
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Old 10/03/08, 6:34 PM   #1010
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There's a lot of misinformation going around about Sons of Hodir, including World of Raids' most recent writeup.

Finishing off the questlines should dump you somewhere in Friendly, and give you access to 3 dailies (250 rep each). A few days grind gets you to Honored, which opens up two more dailies (250, 350). At Revered, a final daily opens up, for another 250 rep.

There are also "Frost Chip"s which are identical to Netherwing Eggs in function, giving you 350 rep per turn in. You can typically find 2-3 of these a day if you really keep an eye out for them while doing the dailies, and there is no one else or at least reasonably few people around.

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Old 10/03/08, 6:35 PM   #1011
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Ah, I see. Although you'd be downgrading as the inscription enchants (Master's Inscription of the Crag) are superior to the Exalted ones (Greater Inscription of the Crag)
 
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Old 10/03/08, 7:13 PM   #1012
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Originally Posted by Illian View Post
Ah, I see. Although you'd be downgrading as the inscription enchants (Master's Inscription of the Crag) are superior to the Exalted ones (Greater Inscription of the Crag)
Yes, you will no longer be receiving the exclusive Inscription benefit once you abandon the profession. The assumption is that you will then pick up another profession in it's place (Enchanting, Leatherworking, Blacksmithing, Jewelcrafting) and receive it's benefits.
 
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Old 10/03/08, 9:25 PM   #1013
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Originally Posted by Falk View Post
There's a lot of misinformation going around about Sons of Hodir, including World of Raids' most recent writeup.

Finishing off the questlines should dump you somewhere in Friendly, and give you access to 3 dailies (250 rep each). A few days grind gets you to Honored, which opens up two more dailies (250, 350). At Revered, a final daily opens up, for another 250 rep.

There are also "Frost Chip"s which are identical to Netherwing Eggs in function, giving you 350 rep per turn in. You can typically find 2-3 of these a day if you really keep an eye out for them while doing the dailies, and there is no one else or at least reasonably few people around.
I haven't tried it yet, but I finished a quest and got Rork Red Ribbon as a reward, which might help if you're tipsy when you do the turn-ins.
 
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Old 10/03/08, 11:35 PM   #1014
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Originally Posted by Falk View Post
There's a lot of misinformation going around about Sons of Hodir, including World of Raids' most recent writeup.

Finishing off the questlines should dump you somewhere in Friendly, and give you access to 3 dailies (250 rep each). A few days grind gets you to Honored, which opens up two more dailies (250, 350). At Revered, a final daily opens up, for another 250 rep.

There are also "Frost Chip"s which are identical to Netherwing Eggs in function, giving you 350 rep per turn in. You can typically find 2-3 of these a day if you really keep an eye out for them while doing the dailies, and there is no one else or at least reasonably few people around.

I've never seen any of these "Frost Chips" but yes there were 5 dailies when I checked today and not 4 at honored. Never grinded to revered on beta but having one more daily opening up still brings you to 1500 rep a day if you can't find the chips(which I assume you will see far less of when there are tons of people doing this) 35-40k rep at 1500 a day is still really lame but better than I initially thought. Also last time I tried I died four times in a row on the spear quest taking fail damage durability loss each time, I am not sure if they made it easier/less bugged since the last time I did it.
 
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Old 10/04/08, 1:36 AM   #1015
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Can anyone confirm whether a blacksmith can add an additional socket to their bracers if the item already has a socket?
 
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Old 10/04/08, 1:42 AM   #1016
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Rork Red Ribbon does work on rep gain from the daily quests in the zone, and you should get the turn-in items in the process of doing the quests anyway.

Originally Posted by Darknebula View Post
Can anyone confirm whether a blacksmith can add an additional socket to their bracers if the item already has a socket?
I can confirm that I was able to add an additional socket to my socketed T6 gloves, I see no reason why bracers would be different. (It also didn't erase the enchant on my bracers or gloves.)

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Old 10/04/08, 2:27 AM   #1017
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Originally Posted by Flamingcloud View Post
I've never seen any of these "Frost Chips" but yes there were 5 dailies when I checked today and not 4 at honored. Never grinded to revered on beta but having one more daily opening up still brings you to 1500 rep a day if you can't find the chips(which I assume you will see far less of when there are tons of people doing this) 35-40k rep at 1500 a day is still really lame but better than I initially thought. Also last time I tried I died four times in a row on the spear quest taking fail damage durability loss each time, I am not sure if they made it easier/less bugged since the last time I did it.
1600 - Thrusting Hodir's Spear is 350 rep. It's like the Dark Rune BEM event except a lot easier to figure out, but once you get it, you'll never die to it again. They've made it slightly easier in the sense the large attack triggers only a 1s cooldown on grip/small attack instead of 3sec... otherwise it's the same as when the quest first went in and didn't even award completion.

And yeah, Rork's works. You basically want to do all the dailies/collect Frost Chips, then pop one and turn everything in.

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Old 10/04/08, 5:00 AM   #1018
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Thanks Jebraltar, that was just a little grey area i needed confirmed before i went ahead and started stockpiling mats for black smithing.
 
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Old 10/04/08, 9:40 AM   #1019
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Originally Posted by Falk View Post
There's a lot of misinformation going around about Sons of Hodir, including World of Raids' most recent writeup.

Finishing off the questlines should dump you somewhere in Friendly, and give you access to 3 dailies (250 rep each). A few days grind gets you to Honored, which opens up two more dailies (250, 350). At Revered, a final daily opens up, for another 250 rep.

There are also "Frost Chip"s which are identical to Netherwing Eggs in function, giving you 350 rep per turn in. You can typically find 2-3 of these a day if you really keep an eye out for them while doing the dailies, and there is no one else or at least reasonably few people around.

Those are new additions I haven't had time to update the post with. Also, one of those extra quests you found is Alliance only, so I'd say it's not misinformation but lots of buggy / unfinished content.
 
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Old 10/04/08, 9:43 AM   #1020
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Originally Posted by Jebraltar View Post
Rork Red Ribbon does work on rep gain from the daily quests in the zone, and you should get the turn-in items in the process of doing the quests anyway.


I can confirm that I was able to add an additional socket to my socketed T6 gloves, I see no reason why bracers would be different. (It also didn't erase the enchant on my bracers or gloves.)
Does anyone know if the bug where the "LW fur enchants didn't stack with BS additional sockets on wrist items" has been fixed?
 
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Old 10/04/08, 10:28 AM   #1021
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Originally Posted by sadris View Post
Does anyone know if the bug where the "LW fur enchants didn't stack with BS additional sockets on wrist items" has been fixed?
That is working as intended as far as I know.
 
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Old 10/04/08, 10:56 AM   #1022
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Originally Posted by Rerox View Post
That is working as intended as far as I know.
Current speculation is that the blacksmithing sockets take up the slot of an enchant in the itemlink and as such, no items can be enchanted at all if there is an additional BS socket. This was based on a build from ~3weeks ago. It was guessed that reformulation of the itemlink code would have to be performed in order for BS sockets+enchants to be able to coexist.

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Old 10/04/08, 1:45 PM   #1023
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Would be nice if a Blacksmith on beta could confirm this is still the case, because blacksmithing goes from being one of the best to being utterly horrible if you can't enchant the pieces you added sockets to.
 
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Old 10/04/08, 1:51 PM   #1024
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Originally Posted by sadris View Post
Current speculation is that the blacksmithing sockets take up the slot of an enchant in the itemlink and as such, no items can be enchanted at all if there is an additional BS socket. This was based on a build from ~3weeks ago. It was guessed that reformulation of the itemlink code would have to be performed in order for BS sockets+enchants to be able to coexist.
Last I heard, Blacksmithing Sockets worked with enchantments.

Are you saying that people can't reenchant something that has a BS socket?
 
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Old 10/04/08, 1:54 PM   #1025
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Originally Posted by Flamingcloud View Post
Would be nice if a Blacksmith on beta could confirm this is still the case, because blacksmithing goes from being one of the best to being utterly horrible if you can't enchant the pieces you added sockets to.
At the moment on beta my bracers/gloves have both an enchant and an extra socket on them, if you can't enchant something that has extra socket, then don't socket the item until you enchant it.

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