If you want to make money, be a JC/alchemist. There are plenty of professions that have minimal profit opportunities - inscription is hardly unique in this, and neither is it the one most in need of help if the ideal is to have every profession be quasi-equally profitable.
Just because JC/Alch was the way to go in BC doesn't mean it will be a moneymaker in WOLK.
Remember that the potion sickness debuff will reduce the demand for alchemy products, while competition from Scribes will increase your materials costs.
Also, the secret to Jewelcrafting has always been to purchase rare cuts that few others have. Profession dailies will make it virtually impossible to corner the market in this way.
If you want to make money in the first months of WOLK, be a miner/herbalist. Everybody will be power leveling their professions and material values will skyrocket. Anybody who was there for the first months of BC will remember a similar trend.
If you want to make money in WOLK endgame, then do dailies. The real benefit of WOLK professions seems to be in character enhancement (BOP gear, enchants, etc) as opposed to economics.
For serious money trading well will be better than any profession. Low level mats will probably spike high soon after LK, for instance - there will be high demand from death knights wanting professions (and other classes switching for new perks) and less supply because people will be on their mains.
Overall I'm expecting massive inflation in prices across the board - even now I think there are a great number of players sitting on tens of thousands of gold that hasn't really affected the market because there isn't anything they want that that gold could buy. Come level 80 that stash will get put to use and valued items will bring high prices. Would you spend a month of dailies to turn a quest green into a shiny purple?
There will be far more items at 80 that are purchased from NPCs, that take thousands of gold to buy, than there will be items that can be sold between players. There's the Kirin Tor ring for 8k, mounts for 15k, and such. Any crafted or dropped BoE item won't be as useful or plentiful as the drops people can get from heroics, reputation grinds, or entry tier7-10 Naxx drops.
While inflation is always a concern in this type of "market", if anything there will be more downward pressure at 80 than there has been at 70 for quite a while.
I'm noticing the tailoring transmutes all require you to visit a particular place:
Ebonweave - Altar of the Frozen Depths, Forgotten Depths, Icecrown
Moonshroud - Emerald Dragonshrine, Dragonblight
Spellweave - The Nexus, Coldarra
What kind of minimum level are we talking to access these places relatively safely? I'd like to start cranking out cloth on my two tailor alts as soon as possible but if I have to level to e.g. 75 first it's gonna have to wait.
depends on the cloth you are making. Dragonblight and Coldara are both around level 72 so available fairly early. Icecrown, on the other hand, is a 77+ zone that you need a flying mount to access.
Also, the secret to Jewelcrafting has always been to purchase rare cuts that few others have. Profession dailies will make it virtually impossible to corner the market in this way.
I would say that this system is makes it *easier* to make money as a jewelcrafter. Having patterns limited by dailies achieves the same thing that having them limited by drops does; no one is going to have every cut for an extremely long period of time, and thus it is very possible to corner the market on one or more cuts by doing some research and maybe talking to some of the other power-traders on the server. This is especially true in the first month or so of the expansion when the vast majority of JCs will be trying to pick up the JC BoP gems and cuts, and thus someone willing to take a personal hit to stats for a few weeks will be able to get a substantial head start on the gem market.
If you want to make money in the first months of WOLK, be a miner/herbalist. Everybody will be power leveling their professions and material values will skyrocket. Anybody who was there for the first months of BC will remember a similar trend.
While this is true, I expect here to be a decent demand for crafted stuff as well. While you might not want to invest too heavily into "-- of the skill point" greens, there will definitely be people with excess gold eager to snap up decent crafted gear either at 80 or while leveling. There's also the "oooo that's new" factor, which leads to people spending far too much money on pieces that aren't all that exciting. Gathering professions are still going to be the most profit for the least work however, especially because you can just forget about them until you stumble across a node while leveling.
Looking through Wowhead et al, it seems that the Eternal Might transmute is still around, but the product does not actually have any use (nor has it ever been in any of the datamined stuff). Neither do there seem to be any posts on the subject.
In TBC, Primal Might was a staple item for mid-high end crafting.
So - two possibilities spring to mind a) The Might mechanic is being done away with and the spell being left in is an afterthought b) There are massive changes to come in crafting recipes.
Also - I wonder if the Darkmoon Faire craft-items vendors will have their inventories changed for the event just prior to WotLK? Could be quite a crowd there if so.
Looking through Wowhead et al, it seems that the Eternal Might transmute is still around, but the product does not actually have any use (nor has it ever been in any of the datamined stuff). Neither do there seem to be any posts on the subject.
In TBC, Primal Might was a staple item for mid-high end crafting.
So - two possibilities spring to mind a) The Might mechanic is being done away with and the spell being left in is an afterthought b) There are massive changes to come in crafting recipes.
Or c) the recipes using Eternal Mights drop in T8 content, just as the recipes using Nether Vortexes drop in T5 content.
I agree with footloop with regards to the profession dailies. Everyone and their mother will jump on the likes of pure red spell power or pure blue STA recipes as their first token-bought recipes, but a savvy JCer can corner the market on on something like a Def/STA green or an AP/Hit orange for people who want to fill out their sockets.
Not to mention the fact that different priorities among the JCers of your server can heavily affect just how fast the 'recipe progression' turns out to be. People have 2nd professions, rep grinds, honor grinds, arena matches, raiding and a whole let else to look out for, such that grinding out the JC-specific dailies may take a backseat to their other priorities.
I'm noticing the tailoring transmutes all require you to visit a particular place:
Ebonweave - Altar of the Frozen Depths, Forgotten Depths, Icecrown
Moonshroud - Emerald Dragonshrine, Dragonblight
Spellweave - The Nexus, Coldarra
What kind of minimum level are we talking to access these places relatively safely? I'd like to start cranking out cloth on my two tailor alts as soon as possible but if I have to level to e.g. 75 first it's gonna have to wait.
There is really nothing preventing you from doing the moonshroud and spellweave at 70, possibly even below that- the mobs in Dragonblight are maybe 72ish and you should be able to ride through there several levels below, the place where you make the cloth is perfectly safe. The mobs in Coldarra are 70ish and again, there's a safe place at the area where you make the cloth.
It is possible to make ebonweave before the high 70s, but it will require assistance. Basically you'd need to be summoned there by people of sufficient level to get there and to clear the area by the altar. I had someone do it for my warlock at 71 because they wanted me to make the cloth. You wouldn't be able to just park there and keep making the cloth without assistance though as there are mobs right around the altar that would need killing. Realistically you won't be doing it solo till you're 77 and can fly there yourself and kill the mobs.
I logged into beta today on my jewelcrafter and noticed that the JC trainer who usually gives the JC daily in Dalaran now just has a grey ! I don't know if they moved the JC daily or changed the min level or what, but I'm 76 on my JC and if they did change the min level it'd be nice to know what the new min level is. It's kind of disappointing if that's what they did, since I was planning to get started on collecting recipes for my JC pretty early since she's not the first char I plan to level, and this would mean that rare gem recipes would really only be available to JCs who had leveled their chars most of the way, not to mention slowing down the availability of the rare gem recipes which are already going to be farily bottlenecked early in the expansion.
I logged into beta today on my jewelcrafter and noticed that the JC trainer who usually gives the JC daily in Dalaran now just has a grey ! I don't know if they moved the JC daily or changed the min level or what, but I'm 76 on my JC and if they did change the min level it'd be nice to know what the new min level is.
My druid is 450 JC, level 79, and today she can still get the JC daily from the same NPC in Dalaran. So the quest hasn't been moved and it doesn't require 80, but I can't narrow it down further.
Last edited by KMad : 10/28/08 at 12:30 PM.
Reason: clarification that I checked it today
At what profession level do the new trainable JC designs become available? I've hit JC 360, and I'm not really interested in powering through the last 15 points on either expensive designs, expensive materials or both. Are there simple, cheap recipes available in WotLK that cover this gap?
Also the JC only epic gems have a mere requirement of 375. It was the same for the daily but that seems to have been changed.
Personaly i'm planning on leveling it to max before wotlk for the easier time in northrend, but thats also because my main isnt a miner so i will have to wait for resources.
My guess is that most trade and gathering skills let you start the new Northrend content at 350.
Can anyone confirm that this works for gathering professions as well (I know it works for manufacturing)? I remember having to go to 295 mining on one of my alts before being able to mine in Outland with the mining enchant on gloves.
Can anyone confirm that this works for gathering professions as well (I know it works for manufacturing)? I remember having to go to 295 mining on one of my alts before being able to mine in Outland with the mining enchant on gloves.
I logged into beta today on my jewelcrafter and noticed that the JC trainer who usually gives the JC daily in Dalaran now just has a grey ! I don't know if they moved the JC daily or changed the min level or what, but I'm 76 on my JC and if they did change the min level it'd be nice to know what the new min level is. It's kind of disappointing if that's what they did, since I was planning to get started on collecting recipes for my JC pretty early since she's not the first char I plan to level, and this would mean that rare gem recipes would really only be available to JCs who had leveled their chars most of the way, not to mention slowing down the availability of the rare gem recipes which are already going to be farily bottlenecked early in the expansion.
I'm actually interested in the answer to this as well if anyone has it. Last time I was on beta, it required a minimum player level of 70, and a minimum skill level of 375 to accept the quest. Wowhead.com seems to indicate the same. Anyone have other information?
The reason I ask is because I'm actually levelling JC on an alt to be my dragons eye supplier, since they're BOE and will slow down my recipe aquisitiion if I buy them on my main.
I'm actually interested in the answer to this as well if anyone has it. Last time I was on beta, it required a minimum player level of 70, and a minimum skill level of 375 to accept the quest. Wowhead.com seems to indicate the same. Anyone have other information?
The reason I ask is because I'm actually levelling JC on an alt to be my dragons eye supplier, since they're BOE and will slow down my recipe aquisitiion if I buy them on my main.
The Dragon's Eye may be BoE, but when cut the gem becomes BoP. That is JC's profession perk.
One of the recent changes in the beta that hasn't been mentioned yet (I think) - The vast majority of the new major glyphs available in WotLK will require Northrend Inscription Research - Spell - World of Warcraft to figure them out. The only new trainable glyphs are Ice Lance, Improved Aspect of the Hawk, Scourge Imprisonment, Stormstrike, Strangulate, Turn Evil, and Polymorph.
My druid is 450 JC, level 79, and today she can still get the JC daily from the same NPC in Dalaran. So the quest hasn't been moved and it doesn't require 80, but I can't narrow it down further.
To clarify, my warrior JC on beta is 76 with 431 JC skill. So I don't know if they upped the skill requirement or the level requirement or both. Regardless it doesn't make a lot of sense to me- at 431 JC I can only really make metas and the rare recipes I get from the tokens for skillups, and at 76 there really is no logical reason I should be considered too low level to do the daily.
One of the recent changes in the beta that hasn't been mentioned yet (I think) - The vast majority of the new major glyphs available in WotLK will require Northrend Inscription Research - Spell - World of Warcraft to figure them out. The only new trainable glyphs are Ice Lance, Improved Aspect of the Hawk, Scourge Imprisonment, Stormstrike, Strangulate, Turn Evil, and Polymorph.
Does anyone know if the discovery functionality still has a high chance to fail? When I was trying it before on my DK, I would fail to discover anything about 2/3 of the time, which was driving me nuts. I don't know if it's that it was discovering a recipe I'd already trained or if it was designed to fail or what. I haven't had this problem with minor inscription research on live so I'm suspecting that perhaps it was just trying to learn ones I'd already trained but I don't know if they've cleaned up this functionality to prevent those failures.
The Dragon's Eye may be BoE, but when cut the gem becomes BoP. That is JC's profession perk.
I'm aware of that. I'll still be doing the JC dailys on my alt to be my Dragons Eye supplier. My main can then cut them to use in his gear, or use them in the epic necks / rings which can then be used for myself, guildies, alts or sold.
Aquiring them on my main slows down the recipe aquisition.
10/23/08, 5:35 PM
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