The WotLK profession thread - Page 49

Jagiya · 09/08/08, 2:15 AM

Originally Posted by Currylaksa

Hmm last I checked the potions were listed as unique, meaning an alchemist can only have one at a time. Not sure about the mechanics of making pots during an arena match though. The mana endurance aspect is overrated. You can get OOC to drink. With higher-level water, several ticks will be more than the pot.

It has unlimited charges, on a 3 minute cooldown. You make one, you keep it forever.

Negg · 09/08/08, 4:28 AM

Originally Posted by Calixtus

Anyone care to guess whether the mat costs on the alchemy potions will change or if that's it?

Because honestly, I can see why the actual returns would have to be beaten into the ground with the nerfbat to avoid making alchemy a neccesity. But... A potion that costs two stacks of a regular healing potion, a new vial above imbued? I don't see why such an enormous cost would be warranted for arena; After all, isn't that why consumables were removed from it in the first place?

You wouldnt think that Blizz would make the poor Arena players use consumables for which they have to pay all the time do you ? Arena obviously has to stay free and easy, so it's a one time investment.

KraxisSingular · 09/08/08, 6:47 PM

Originally Posted by Negg

You wouldnt think that Blizz would make the poor Arena players use consumables for which they have to pay all the time do you ? Arena obviously has to stay free and easy, so it's a one time investment.

Ammo?

Pharmacon · 09/09/08, 9:58 AM

Originally Posted by KraxisSingular

Ammo?

That's a caveat of playing a hunter and little to no impact on arenas. Locks use shards when doing arenas and rogues use vanishing powder and poisons. Hunter ammo is admittedly more expensive but you knew it would be a cost when you rolled it.

pope master · 09/09/08, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Nerub

P.S: Toughness - Spell - World of Warcraft was changed to 500 HP instead of 35 Stamina.

Boo! As a prot pally I was already getting close to 500 health out of the stam with 16% from talents and 10% from kings, but we also benefited from the stam->spell damage conversion. I understand its more health for bassically everyone else, but why didn't they just make it 50 stam so it could scale with kings?

typobox · 09/09/08, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by pope master

Boo! As a prot pally I was already getting close to 500 health out of the stam with 16% from talents and 10% from kings, but we also benefited from the stam->spell damage conversion. I understand its more health for bassically everyone else, but why didn't they just make it 50 stam so it could scale with kings?

I'd imagine that was precisely why it was changed - they didn't want it scaling with Kings or other things tied to stamina.

Smurrf · 09/09/08, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by pope master

Boo! As a prot pally I was already getting close to 500 health out of the stam with 16% from talents and 10% from kings, but we also benefited from the stam->spell damage conversion. I understand its more health for bassically everyone else, but why didn't they just make it 50 stam so it could scale with kings?

That's pretty much exactly why it was changed. It was meant to be a health modifier; having it benefit both health AND threat/damage is just too much. There's already enough stuff that scales with Kings...it doesn't surprise me at all that they'd like to limit some of that.

kysta · 09/09/08, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Smurrf

That's pretty much exactly why it was changed. It was meant to be a health modifier; having it benefit both health AND threat/damage is just too much. There's already enough stuff that scales with Kings...it doesn't surprise me at all that they'd like to limit some of that.

That doesn't make much sense though. The alternative stamina buff professions all add real stamina. Jewelcrafting Solid Dragon Eyes are going to add 33 stamina plus whatever socket bonus they allow that would otherwise be lost, in addition to the benefits of the BoP trinkets. Blacksmithing bonus glove & bracer sockets add potentially 60 extra stamina.

It's like blizzard wants the gathering professions to remain inferior, but not quiet as badly inferior as they were before. The serious powergamers are still going to have to go double crafting on professions.

Smurrf · 09/09/08, 1:12 PM

Sorry, meant for it to be a comparison among only the gathering profs. The tradeskill perks are all in their own league.

Pharmacon · 09/09/08, 1:28 PM

I think Blizz intentionally gives bigger buffs to crafters because it is much much harder to level that to max than a gathering profession. While level, I hit 375 herbalism by the time I was leaving Zangamarsh. As a crafter, you'll be 70 for a while before hitting 375 (unless you're feeding yourself mats from somewhere else). And if this is their mentality, I agree.

• sordee · 09/09/08, 4:55 PM

Originally Posted by pope master

Boo! As a prot pally I was already getting close to 500 health out of the stam with 16% from talents and 10% from kings, but we also benefited from the stam->spell damage conversion. I understand its more health for bassically everyone else, but why didn't they just make it 50 stam so it could scale with kings?

Bears.
Really, its about how much extra HP Bears get from Stam Conversions. (Also why they converted Fortification and Titans to +HP instead of +Stam)

pope master · 09/09/08, 6:13 PM

Originally Posted by sordee

Bears.
Really, its about how much extra HP Bears get from Stam Conversions. (Also why they converted Fortification and Titans to +HP instead of +Stam)

That's probably spot on. I'm not sure that every bear would be forced to take mining however; lots of the other crafting buffs provide better BoP type buffs for the min-maxing crowd....

• frmorrison · 09/10/08, 12:32 AM

An interesting part of the Alchemy 400 Endless potions besides Arenas is it seems it can be used to reduce your downtime at a very low cost, since the potion doesn't have a charge and only takes 10 potions to make.

I hope it stays that way

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skysun · 09/10/08, 4:39 AM

lol what can 500 health do for a lvl 80 Rogue?i'd rather choose skinning to mining if i knew this in the beginning,25 strike is more helpful,what do you think guys?

Tyvi · 09/10/08, 4:47 AM

I can't believe you are complaining about that. You still have plenty of time to reroll any profession you want that is best suited to your class and while Mining might not be it, that doesn't mean 500 health is worthless. 35 crit rating is not useful to every class either but you don't really see them complaining.

Either way, if you don't like the bonus, reroll another profession and dump mining on alt or something.