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Old 09/12/08, 8:05 PM   #751
Tyrian
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You can very easily max enchanting within a day with a good distribution of items in the auction house.
For some that might be acceptable, but for a hell of a lot of people - it isn't. Being able to keep ring enchants, by levelling then dropping enchanting after they are done like now - is downsight silly and way past its expiry date.

If people want the perks of a profession, they should be that profession. I understand that its good to have ways to separate the die-hard people who will do anything to be marginally better from others (with regards to profession swapping), but surely theres other ways to cater for them.

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Old 09/14/08, 12:10 AM   #752
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EDIT:

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I didn't read the original post close enough and posted repeat info.

Sorry.

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Old 09/14/08, 5:34 PM   #753
Halion
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As a tank I'm considering leveling BS and LW for xpack. Does anyone see any better professions to pick up?

BS = 3 colorless sockets (90 stamina with Wrath epic stam gems) and the bonus of crafting the BOE tank loot inhouse.

LW = 90 stamina fur lining for bracers, which is 74 more stamina than the new stam enchant.

I'm currently Alch/Ench (used to be Holy) but both are lacking any appeal in Wrath. With potion sickness, the alch trinkets are nearly useless, mixology adds 50% effect to flasks, so 325 HP to new flask.

Enchanting can now enchant rings with stamina, but its only 24, so 2 is 48, still quite a bit lower than BS/LW.

JC can make JC only gems, but the gain is far from worth it 41 stamina gem, can only use one, that's an 11 stam gain over an epic stam gem. High-end trinkets don't have stats yet, but I doubt any JC tank trinket will be worth it.

Mining adds 500 HP.

As long as BS sockets continue to stack with other enchants, I can't find a better combination than BS/LW.

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Old 09/14/08, 5:52 PM   #754
Guybrush
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From what I understand JC can have 3 of the JC only gems regardless the type, so you can infact have the 3 JC only stamina gems. They also fit to any socket so you can put them on yellow or red sockets and still get the socket bonus.

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Old 09/14/08, 5:53 PM   #755
Arakan
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I will be sticking with blacksmithing for my paladin as well.

While mmo-champion appears low on updating profession info, Ive found some interesting stuff on some other fan site.
My reason for sticking with Blacksmithing is the great pally tanking weapon:
Titansteel Guardian - Item - World of Warcraft

Add to that sockets for items, and indeed the BoE, and probably BoP armor, and you have a great startingpoint for tanking.

Last edited by Arakan : 09/14/08 at 5:56 PM. Reason: wotlk item database linkage

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Old 09/14/08, 6:52 PM   #756
Flamingcloud
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Goblin Warlock
 
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Originally Posted by Halion View Post
As a tank I'm considering leveling BS and LW for xpack. Does anyone see any better professions to pick up?

BS = 3 colorless sockets (90 stamina with Wrath epic stam gems) and the bonus of crafting the BOE tank loot inhouse.

LW = 90 stamina fur lining for bracers, which is 74 more stamina than the new stam enchant.

I'm currently Alch/Ench (used to be Holy) but both are lacking any appeal in Wrath. With potion sickness, the alch trinkets are nearly useless, mixology adds 50% effect to flasks, so 325 HP to new flask.

Enchanting can now enchant rings with stamina, but its only 24, so 2 is 48, still quite a bit lower than BS/LW.

JC can make JC only gems, but the gain is far from worth it 41 stamina gem, can only use one, that's an 11 stam gain over an epic stam gem. High-end trinkets don't have stats yet, but I doubt any JC tank trinket will be worth it.

Mining adds 500 HP.

As long as BS sockets continue to stack with other enchants, I can't find a better combination than BS/LW.
Far as I know only two of the add socket(bracers/gloves) are BS only. So 60 stam for BS(plus item benefits), 48 Enchanting, and 33 JC(plus item benefits). The LW bracer enchants seem way overpowered to me(specifically the stam and spell power ones), and seriously I hope they are nerfed.

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Old 09/14/08, 8:50 PM   #757
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Originally Posted by Halion View Post
As a tank I'm considering leveling BS and LW for xpack. Does anyone see any better professions to pick up?

BS = 3 colorless sockets (90 stamina with Wrath epic stam gems) and the bonus of crafting the BOE tank loot inhouse.

LW = 90 stamina fur lining for bracers, which is 74 more stamina than the new stam enchant.

I'm currently Alch/Ench (used to be Holy) but both are lacking any appeal in Wrath. With potion sickness, the alch trinkets are nearly useless, mixology adds 50% effect to flasks, so 325 HP to new flask.

Enchanting can now enchant rings with stamina, but its only 24, so 2 is 48, still quite a bit lower than BS/LW.

JC can make JC only gems, but the gain is far from worth it 41 stamina gem, can only use one, that's an 11 stam gain over an epic stam gem. High-end trinkets don't have stats yet, but I doubt any JC tank trinket will be worth it.

Mining adds 500 HP.

As long as BS sockets continue to stack with other enchants, I can't find a better combination than BS/LW.
I was thinking about a profession reroll too but decided to wait. Things are still in early stages and balance changes are likely (LW bracer enchant, added sockets for BS only). I'd at least wait until 3.0.2 hits Live servers and if you can stand it until the addon is released.

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Old 09/14/08, 11:05 PM   #758
Halion
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Cairne
Originally Posted by Flamingcloud View Post
Far as I know only two of the add socket(bracers/gloves) are BS only. So 60 stam for BS(plus item benefits), 48 Enchanting, and 33 JC(plus item benefits). The LW bracer enchants seem way overpowered to me(specifically the stam and spell power ones), and seriously I hope they are nerfed.
Yeah I really had no desire to level Leatherworking, but the fur linings are just TOO good to pass up.

So, the Socket to One-Handed Weapon is not BS only? Wasn't sure on that one.

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Old 09/14/08, 11:26 PM   #759
Flamingcloud
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Cho'gall
Originally Posted by Halion View Post
Yeah I really had no desire to level Leatherworking, but the fur linings are just TOO good to pass up.

So, the Socket to One-Handed Weapon is not BS only? Wasn't sure on that one.
I am not even sure that is still in the game, but it isn't worded the same way as the others(saying your).

Permanently add a socket to your bracers.
Permanently adds a socket to a one-handed weapon.

If you can add a socket to a one-hander you should be able to add two sockets to a two-hander and one socket to a shield to balance it for dks/tanks, but then it is unbalanced for warriors with TG, etc. It just doesn't make sense to me to have it at all. Blizzard at one time talked about letting armor smiths add an extra meta but I really doubt that will end up happening.

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Old 09/15/08, 4:38 AM   #760
Negg
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Vek'nilash (EU)
Adding BS only sockets to weapons would be hard to balance.

Add 2 sockets to a 2h weapon ? Thats 4 extra sockets for a fury war with titan grip. Adding sockets on normal gear pieces is way easier to balance and I doubt BSs get more then 2 sockets, that would be far more then other profs get.

And they should up the stam on rings to 28.

About LW, are the LW only pants kits still in the game or are those replaced by the bracers enchs now ? (which seem way way to strong). Kits + weakened drums + bop gear seems a bit to much.

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Old 09/15/08, 6:20 AM   #761
Bullshot
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The Maelstrom (EU)
El's Inscription guide is reporting that the cooldown on glyphs is gone in the current build.

El's Inscription - WoW Inscribing Guide

The cooldown on glyphs has gone: Apply them as often as you wish.

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Old 09/15/08, 9:02 AM   #762
Pharmacon
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Scilla
Originally Posted by Arakan View Post
I will be sticking with blacksmithing for my paladin as well.

While mmo-champion appears low on updating profession info, Ive found some interesting stuff on some other fan site.
My reason for sticking with Blacksmithing is the great pally tanking weapon:
Titansteel Guardian - Item - World of Warcraft

Add to that sockets for items, and indeed the BoE, and probably BoP armor, and you have a great startingpoint for tanking.
I am under the impression that Tankadin spelldamage (now spellpower) MH is going extinct with the changes to the talent trees (% of stam converted to spellpower). That doesn't make choosing BS bad, just different reasons.

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Old 09/15/08, 9:07 AM   #763
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Originally Posted by Pharmacon View Post
I am under the impression that Tankadin spelldamage (now spellpower) MH is going extinct with the changes to the talent trees (% of stam converted to spellpower). That doesn't make choosing BS bad, just different reasons.
Only at the current level 70 state of things. At level 80 the Titansteel Guardian is definitely the current highest threat option a Protection Paladin can choose. This is largely because in WotLK caster weapon's melee DPS is also scaling up as they get higher item level, which combined with the fact that the spell power on them still scales at the same rate, makes them better for us than just a normal melee weapon. We're basically geting twice the benefit here: The higher melee DPS and the higher spell power both benefit us.

If caster weapons were still staying at their ~41.5 DPS as they do right now, Protection Paladins would indeed be better off with a more conventional melee weapon. Or at least, the difference between them would be minute enough that we'd probably choose the melee weapon as it'd be more likely to benefit us more in other ways too if itemized well.

Last edited by Chicken : 09/15/08 at 9:15 AM.

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Old 09/15/08, 9:09 AM   #764
Villeraz
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Greymane
Originally Posted by Pharmacon View Post
I am under the impression that Tankadin spelldamage (now spellpower) MH is going extinct with the changes to the talent trees (% of stam converted to spellpower). That doesn't make choosing BS bad, just different reasons.
They changed the item budget for spell-damage weapons so that they increase in base weapon DPS at half the rate of non-spell-damage weapons at no cost to their other stats, which ends up resulting in spell-damage weapons double-dipping into the itemization budget. I think this was shown to result in the new WotLK spell-damage weapons being superior for paladin tanks than strictly non-spell-damage weapons since they can benefit from both sources of damage/threat.

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Old 09/15/08, 10:42 AM   #765
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Originally Posted by Negg View Post
Adding BS only sockets to weapons would be hard to balance.

Add 2 sockets to a 2h weapon ? Thats 4 extra sockets for a fury war with titan grip. Adding sockets on normal gear pieces is way easier to balance and I doubt BSs get more then 2 sockets, that would be far more then other profs get.

And they should up the stam on rings to 28.

About LW, are the LW only pants kits still in the game or are those replaced by the bracers enchs now ? (which seem way way to strong). Kits + weakened drums + bop gear seems a bit to much.
The LW and tailoring BoP leg kits have exactly the same stats as the non-BoP ones, they are just cheaper to make.

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