The WotLK profession thread - Page 53

Gleeful · 09/18/08, 8:08 PM

Is there a reason for casters not to spec Tailor / Ench in WoTLK with the perk normalization?

Embroideries + ( Gear crafting + Bag making + Leg enchants + Magic Flying Carpet )

And tailoring is much easier to support given it doesn't require a gathering profession.

I know Blizzard is moving away from min/maxing, but I feel cheated having leveled up JC/Enchanting only to discover Tailors get an equal if not far superior bonus with half the effort made.

Socialcrab · 09/18/08, 8:38 PM

Originally Posted by Steelfleece

Engineering got 10-charge ammo crates, and an epic DPS gun. Pretty good all in all I'd say. For Hunters.

DPS gun? Could you please link, I have only been able to find the epic tank gun.

Copernicus · 09/18/08, 8:44 PM

Originally Posted by Socialcrab

DPS gun? Could you please link, I have only been able to find the epic tank gun.

Long-range Cranium Drill

BoE epic. The Nesingwary 4000 is also BoE now. The ammo crates (bullets and arrows) also are BoE and don't require engineering.

The engineering land mounts (Mechano-Hog and Mekgineer's Chopper) are also BoE. They also count for an achievement - Get to the Choppa! - Achievement - World of Warcraft so it's doubtful that they'll be made BoP.

kysta · 09/18/08, 8:57 PM

Originally Posted by Gleeful

Is there a reason for casters not to spec Tailor / Ench in WoTLK with the perk normalization?

Embroideries + ( Gear crafting + Bag making + Leg enchants + Magic Flying Carpet )

And tailoring is much easier to support given it doesn't require a gathering profession.

I know Blizzard is moving away from min/maxing, but I feel cheated having leveled up JC/Enchanting only to discover Tailors get an equal if not far superior bonus with half the effort made.

AFAIK there aren't any BoP cloth sets for tailors, the magic carpet is just a silly toy that doesn't really offer anything, bag making/gear crafting is far less profitable than JC in my experience, as gems are basically a consumable while tailored gear is needed once per character at most. I can't find the BoP spellthread on wowhead, but I've been told that it is the same as the BoE version except it is cheaper to make.

So really, the comparison is embroideries vs BoP gems + JC trinkets. I am about to pick professions myself and embroideries don't really look that amazing to me, I'd much rather have the JC BoP gems or the enchanting ring enchants, the leather working wrist enchant, or extra sockets from blacksmithing.

Gleeful · 09/18/08, 9:16 PM

Originally Posted by kysta

AFAIK there aren't any BoP cloth sets for tailors, the magic carpet is just a silly toy that doesn't really offer anything, bag making/gear crafting is far less profitable than JC in my experience, as gems are basically a consumable while tailored gear is needed once per character at most. I can't find the BoP spellthread on wowhead, but I've been told that it is the same as the BoE version except it is cheaper to make.

So really, the comparison is embroideries vs BoP gems + JC trinkets. I am about to pick professions myself and embroideries don't really look that amazing to me, I'd much rather have the JC BoP gems or the enchanting ring enchants, the leather working wrist enchant, or extra sockets from blacksmithing.

I was just lumping the spellthread with things tailoring has to offer. But for all intents purposes lets put aside the non-perk benefits of the professions.

The embroidery is a 50% to proc 800-1000 holy dmg on spell hit every 45 seconds. and -15 haste rating.

The BoP Gems are what?
+7 spell hit
+9 spell power
+7 haste
+whatever socket bonuses you would otherwise not have.

and the JC trinkets are terribly weak, especially if their 5min cooldowns stay.

Somehow the embroidery seems far, far more appealing.

Copernicus · 09/18/08, 9:23 PM

So a few updates on professions-

Inscription -

* No longer has a Glyph Mastery for the bonus glyph slot.
* Inscription's "perk" is now a shoulder enchant. Effectively a bonus of +37 spell power, 64 attack power, 41 spell power and 2 mana/5, or 32 dodge rating. The Sons of Hodir - Faction - World of Warcraft are the epic versions, master's inscription - Wowhead Search are the inscription versions.
* Various tarot cards, but I don't know much about them.
* Discovery system is on a daily basis - Northrend Inscription Research - Spell - World of Warcraft

Leatherworking -

* Finally implemented. No BoP gear yet, but a Fur Lining recipe has popped up on WotLK - Pattern: Fur Lining - Fire Resist
* No BoP epic gear

Tailoring -

* Flying carpets! - Tailoring - Recipes - World of Warcraft

Alchemy -

* On a weekly discovery system - Northrend Alchemy Research - Spell - World of Warcraft
* Four day cooldown for Titanium - Transmute: Titanium - Spell - World of Warcraft
* Three Alchemist stones - Indestructible Alchemist's Stone Mercurial Alchemist Stone and Mighty Alchemist's Stone
* A bunch of new battle elixirs

Jewelcrafting -

* Figurine - Monarch Crab

Engineering -

* Mechano-hog and Mekgineer's Chopper - Spell - World of Warcraft
* Long-range Cranium Drill
* Ultrasafe Bullet Machine and Saronite Arrow Maker

Enchanting -

* Lost the haste ring enchant, gained Enchant Ring - Stamina - Spell - World of Warcraft

Also, tailoring, leatherworking, and blacksmithing all picked up 3-piece epic frost resist sets.

Xaev · 09/18/08, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Copernicus

* Inscription's "perk" is now a shoulder enchant. Effectively a bonus of +37 spell power, 64 attack power, 41 spell power and 2 mana/5, or 32 dodge rating. The Sons of Hodir - Faction - World of Warcraft are the epic versions, master's inscription - Wowhead Search are the inscription versions.

Is there a reason that the healing enchant gets a bigger boost than the DPS one or is it simply an oversight?

Copernicus · 09/18/08, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by Xaev

Is there a reason that the healing enchant gets a bigger boost that the DPS one or is it simply an oversight?

Greater Inscription of the Crag vs Lesser Inscription of the Crag

The epic healer shoulder enchant doesn't have the right stats currently.

Jagiya · 09/18/08, 11:16 PM

Just to clarify, thought I'd post this here. Copy/paste from something i posted earlier on my guild forums:

Currently, Shoulder Enchants are available to everyone when Honored & Exalted with "The Sons of Hodir" faction.
The Exalted ones are as follows:
- [Greater Inscription of the Crag] (+18 Spell Power & 4mp5)
- [Greater Inscription of the Pinnacle] (+20 Dodge Rating & 15 Defense Rating)
- [Greater Inscription of the Storm] (+25 Spell Power & 15 Crit Rating)
- [Greater Inscription of the Axe] (+40 Attack Power & 15 Crit Rating)

Now compare those with the Specialty Shoulder Enchants (available only to Inscribers), as follows:
- [Master's Inscription of the Crag] (+61 Spell Power & 6mp5)
- [Master's Inscription of the Pinnacle] (+52 Dodge Rating & 15 Defense Rating)
- [Master's Inscription of the Storm] (+61 Spell Power & 15 Crit Rating)
- [Master's Inscription of the Axe] (+104 Attack Power & 15 Crit Rating)

As you can see, the base stat of the BoP Inscription Shoulder Enchants are 150-160% more powerful.

Halion · 09/19/08, 4:37 AM

Originally Posted by Copernicus

So a few updates on professions-

Also, tailoring, leatherworking, and blacksmithing all picked up 3-piece epic frost resist sets.

Anyone know what these are for? Plenty of Sapphiron kills in Beta without wearing frost resist. Are we to assume this is for something we haven't seen yet?

Also, has anyone actually crafted a Fur Lining to check its stacking w/ enchants or BS sockets?

Ivriniel · 09/19/08, 6:06 AM

I can only find one Blacksmithing item that is BoP (a rare quality shield).
Are there any other items that simply aren't on wowhead or are the 2 sockets all they get?

Halion · 09/19/08, 6:14 AM

They seem to have moved away from crafting items that are BOP and into profession specific item enhancements.

None of the new tailoring or LW recipes make a BOP item. The epic guns from engineering are BOE. The rare / epic rings and necks from JC are BOE.

The only items I've seen that remain BOP are the JC and Alchemy trinkets.

Nerub · 09/19/08, 6:24 AM

Originally Posted by Ivriniel

I can only find one Blacksmithing item that is BoP (a rare quality shield).
Are there any other items that simply aren't on wowhead or are the 2 sockets all they get?

It was mentioned in Blizzcast 4 that Armorsmiths may get an ability to apply a second metagem socket to their chests, but that is still a rumor. Looking at the WotLK epic gems two additional sockets are powerful enough. For a tank that would mean two additional +30 stamina gems = an additional 60 stamina (70 with Vitality and BoK). And two additional gems help reaching metagem requirements.

Prinsesa · 09/19/08, 6:29 AM

Originally Posted by Halion

Anyone know what these are for? Plenty of Sapphiron kills in Beta without wearing frost resist. Are we to assume this is for something we haven't seen yet?

Also, has anyone actually crafted a Fur Lining to check its stacking w/ enchants or BS sockets?

Most likely for something farther down the line. We shouldn't really expect a resist fight in the first WOTLK raid, but something like Sindragosa, which is probably one of the last bosses before Arthas is a distinct possibility, in the same way that Mother Shaz is one of the last bosses before Illidan.

Steelfleece · 09/19/08, 6:36 AM

Originally Posted by Copernicus

Engineering -

* Mechano-hog and Mekgineer's Chopper - Spell - World of Warcraft
* Long-range Cranium Drill
* Ultrasafe Bullet Machine and Saronite Arrow Maker

I should note that the hog and the chopper don't seem to even have anything to do with Engineering at the moment--it appears anyone can buy them for 5g from a vendor outside the Engineering trainer. Even if they have no Engineering skill whatsoever.

But that's probably just temporary given that there are recipes for them shown there...though I don't know where those recipes are in-game yet (may not exist).