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Old 11/24/08, 3:50 PM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #1426
Vazu
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Originally Posted by jaske View Post
Does anyone else think it's ridiculous that the motorbike takes 13k gold worth of vendor mats to make..i have to sell it for at least 16-20k to make a reasonable profit. I think they should have just made it require more bars or engineer crafted mats, or make the Salvaged Golem Parts a low drop from Scavenging Golem mobs along with the other items from their namesakes.
Considering how annoying that thing is, I'm perfectly fine with the requirements being high.

Also, thank you to the posters above who mentioned higher level herbs netting more Icy Pigment. I've been farming Basin for a week now and wondered why it was taking so many herbs to put together the 6 Snowfall needed for Darkmoon cards.
 
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Old 11/26/08, 3:47 AM   #1427
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Originally Posted by Vazu View Post
Considering how annoying that thing is, I'm perfectly fine with the requirements being high.

Also, thank you to the posters above who mentioned higher level herbs netting more Icy Pigment. I've been farming Basin for a week now and wondered why it was taking so many herbs to put together the 6 Snowfall needed for Darkmoon cards.
I just milled 3 stacks of lichbloom/icethorn, and didn't get more then 1 a stack. I think inscription just blows right now.
 
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Old 11/26/08, 6:35 AM   #1428
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Originally Posted by Nott View Post
I just milled 3 stacks of lichbloom/icethorn, and didn't get more then 1 a stack. I think inscription just blows right now.
A whole 3 stacks? Surely it's completely screwed after such a very large sample. Yes the RNG does suck, but you'll find that the law of averages kicks in at large samples. I know that I can go through stacks of ore without a rare gem, only to be greeted by a ton of them on the next.
 
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Old 11/26/08, 9:38 AM   #1429
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Originally Posted by Stopokingme View Post
A whole 3 stacks? Surely it's completely screwed after such a very large sample. Yes the RNG does suck, but you'll find that the law of averages kicks in at large samples. I know that I can go through stacks of ore without a rare gem, only to be greeted by a ton of them on the next.
Exactly, I've seen 3 (and have been told 4 is possible) from one mill. Over time it evens out. It can suck though if you are working towards 450 by making DM cards. Those pigments are really where the cost comes in.
 
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Old 11/26/08, 11:11 AM   #1430
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Anyone else feel that the Prospecting rate seems low, after about 25 stacks of ore today i got 6 rare gems. I got more from mining the nodes themselves. It's like they lowered it because they intended to make a level 80 brilliant glass but forgot to put it in.
 
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Old 11/26/08, 12:26 PM   #1431
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Originally Posted by jaske View Post
Anyone else feel that the Prospecting rate seems low, after about 25 stacks of ore today i got 6 rare gems. I got more from mining the nodes themselves. It's like they lowered it because they intended to make a level 80 brilliant glass but forgot to put it in.
Completely anecdotal. I've had streaks of 3 stacks with no blues and others where I've had 4 blues off of two prospects (2 blues 1 green in each). 25 stacks does seem a really bad streak but it doesn't really prove anything other than that you are unlucky. It seems to be about a 25% chance for a blue which would make sense if they are 4% drop rate each which is what wowhead implies from around 10k prospecting actions.

 
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Old 11/26/08, 12:50 PM   #1432
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Originally Posted by Jubling View Post
I got them too off the very first mob of each of those types I killed. I even got the Defender's Twilight Opal pattern from each of the first three Stormforged I killed (since they attacked in a group I didn't learn it before all three were dead)! Either we're all extremely lucky or it is indeed a 100% drop rate.

And in Namoya's list it should be "Any mammoth in Storm Peaks" not "Any mammoth in Northrend" for Accurate Monarch Topaz.
Regarding Accurate Monarch Topaz, I got mine of off second mammoth in Zul'Drak while questing, I didn't read the quest where I had to ride a mammoth to trample trolls and I killed a few of them before realizing my mistake and 2nd kill netted me the design. I was 410 Skill at the time too.

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Old 11/26/08, 3:29 PM   #1433
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EDIT : Wowhead's engineering information is ridiculously incorrect at the moment. I'll have to revise this guide later.

Last edited by Perakles : 11/27/08 at 6:40 AM. Reason: Realized that 60x handful of cobalt bolts would probably be enough for 5 skill points.
 
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Old 11/26/08, 4:45 PM   #1434
Maeltne
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Originally Posted by Vaccine View Post
I compiled a list of the Jewelcrafting recipies that are currently no where to be found
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[Shifting Twilight Opal]
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Any word on these? Any new information at all?
 
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Old 11/27/08, 1:28 AM   #1435
Kumar
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So, has anybody gotten the Darkmoon deck made?

I had an Inscriptor make one card and it gave me the Seven Chaos, spell used to create it was Inscription: Darkmoon Card of the North. So, is it just random which card you get and it may not be from the Nobles deck you need for the Darkmoon Card:Greatness trinket?
 
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Old 11/27/08, 5:59 AM   #1436
footloop
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
So, has anybody gotten the Darkmoon deck made?

I had an Inscriptor make one card and it gave me the Seven Chaos, spell used to create it was Inscription: Darkmoon Card of the North. So, is it just random which card you get and it may not be from the Nobles deck you need for the Darkmoon Card:Greatness trinket?
Yes it just gives you a random card. I've made 11 or so, and I have three of three decks and two of the prisms deck. I wish herbs were cheaper
 
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Old 11/27/08, 7:25 AM   #1437
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Originally Posted by Maeltne View Post
Any word on these? Any new information at all?
None at all. I made a thread on europe forums but devs dont read it anyway, been trying to keep it bumped but it keeps getting pushed down by engineer whining.

World of Warcraft (en) Forums -> Missing JC Recipe


Given the state of other professions though I guess they just aren't finished. Look at enchanting many classes are still using level 70 enchants because theres either no replacement for the stat they want at 80 or its a proc one that is better than 80 enchants.

 
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Old 11/27/08, 12:26 PM   #1438
vellias
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On the topic of jewelcrafting, the method for obtaining patterns is pretty maddening. On the one hand it means more potential profit for us (I am a JC) but its pretty annoying to get cuts that you cannot do yourself. Pertty much i'm using all of my JC okens to buy patterns that I would use mostly for myself.
 
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Old 11/30/08, 11:33 AM   #1439
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Originally Posted by vellias View Post
On the topic of jewelcrafting, the method for obtaining patterns is pretty maddening. On the one hand it means more potential profit for us (I am a JC) but its pretty annoying to get cuts that you cannot do yourself. Pertty much i'm using all of my JC okens to buy patterns that I would use mostly for myself.
Indeed, 1 token a day is just not enough. I'm the only jewelcrafter in our guild and there's really not that many on Horde side on our server. It would take 200 days to get all the designs if they haven't added any new by then.

The designs for boe necklaces and rings seem even more useless as they require dragon's eye which can only be required by jewelcrafters.
 
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Old 11/30/08, 11:41 AM   #1440
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Originally Posted by timski View Post
There's some evidence here that higher item-level herbs (within each bracket) tend to produce more pigment: Critically far more secondary pigment. Primary pigment differences are relatively trivial. The theory isn't perfect, so there may be other factors.
I was milling some deadnettle today and managed to get 3 icy pigments in a single mill. It was weird, but it definitely happened. Probably a bug though, *shrug*.
 
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Old 11/30/08, 5:36 PM   #1441
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Originally Posted by mek View Post
I was milling some deadnettle today and managed to get 3 icy pigments in a single mill. It was weird, but it definitely happened. Probably a bug though, *shrug*.
I wouldnt say its a bug,I have seen it happen a good few times with Deadnettle, and the one that starts with A, as many as 3 icy per mill, and happening back to back to back. Yes I won the RNG lottery, but I've seen it enough times o think its intended, just a lower drop.
 
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Old 12/01/08, 12:57 AM   #1442
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Originally Posted by Fqubed View Post
I wouldnt say its a bug,I have seen it happen a good few times with Deadnettle, and the one that starts with A, as many as 3 icy per mill, and happening back to back to back. Yes I won the RNG lottery, but I've seen it enough times o think its intended, just a lower drop.
Ive been farming icethorn and tigerlillys prettymuch everyday, around 30stacks a day i would imagine, i havent noticed an unusually high proc rate from the high lvl herbs except in the case of goldclover which seems to be abysmally low in terms of pigment procs, i would guess about 50 to 75% less.

The distance that you are forced to cover when farming icethorn and lichbloom kinda defeats the purpose of farming it when you can just walk around sholazar with 3 nodes on the minimap at all times. One of those 'an hour for 30stacks of mediocre Vs an hour for 5 uber' which both seem to generally have the same proc rates, in my experience anyway.
 
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Old 12/01/08, 11:03 AM   #1443
erragal
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Originally Posted by Merovengian View Post
Ive been farming icethorn and tigerlillys prettymuch everyday, around 30stacks a day i would imagine, i havent noticed an unusually high proc rate from the high lvl herbs except in the case of goldclover which seems to be abysmally low in terms of pigment procs, i would guess about 50 to 75% less.

The distance that you are forced to cover when farming icethorn and lichbloom kinda defeats the purpose of farming it when you can just walk around sholazar with 3 nodes on the minimap at all times. One of those 'an hour for 30stacks of mediocre Vs an hour for 5 uber' which both seem to generally have the same proc rates, in my experience anyway.
Icethorn and Lichbloom are really easily farmed in high quantities right around the Sons of Hodir dailies. You have the added advantage of everfrost chip farming in the exact same area as well. I suppose having flight form might give me a slightly skewed perspective on the time involved though; I highly reccommend being a druid for the fastest herb collection rate.

I will agree that it doesn't compare to the raw density of herbs in Sholazar. When leveling up I had to intentionally ignored herb nodes or I wouldn't have had time to level. Not as useful for people looking for flask materials but definitely a great location from an inscription perspective.
 
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Old 12/01/08, 3:17 PM   #1444
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This may not be the best place for it, but it relates to a profession so I thought I'd ask.

Is there any data on the proc rate of Mongoose at level 80? I've not done any specific testing, but I've heard from random people that the proc rate has decreased significantly (similar to crusader at 70).
 
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Old 12/01/08, 4:04 PM   #1445
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From what I understood crusader just gave less strength bonus as you leveled, down to 60str at lvl70 although the buff still listed it at 100 the proc rate was maintained (from what I understood). I could see this being done with Mongoose, and probably also executioner as long as they are at it.
 
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Old 12/01/08, 4:49 PM   #1446
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There isn't any evidence that Mongoose has been touched. And given the unbelievably half-assed state of professions at this point, I'd say that it probably wasn't. It's probably working as it was in terms of proc. And unless I missed something, it's still giving 120 agility. I suppose I could double check that later.
 
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Old 12/01/08, 6:35 PM   #1447
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Originally Posted by BeeLz View Post
The designs for boe necklaces and rings seem even more useless as they require dragon's eye which can only be required by jewelcrafters.
This has created a very lucrative market for dragon's eyes. I started doing the daily on my forgotten JC alt a few days ago and selling the dragon's eyes for 800g, costing me maybe 20g of uncommon gems and 10 minutes. Pretty nice return for the time being until JC's get most of the patterns they need. The next patch should hopefully come before then, adding new uses for them and keeping the price up.

I starting trying to detail some ways they can go with the badge/daily token system, but it's still too early to say. I hope blizzard is planning on putting up the next PTR before the holidays.
 
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Old 12/01/08, 11:24 PM   #1448
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Originally Posted by LiquidHAL View Post
This has created a very lucrative market for dragon's eyes. I started doing the daily on my forgotten JC alt a few days ago and selling the dragon's eyes for 800g, costing me maybe 20g of uncommon gems and 10 minutes. Pretty nice return for the time being until JC's get most of the patterns they need. The next patch should hopefully come before then, adding new uses for them and keeping the price up.

I starting trying to detail some ways they can go with the badge/daily token system, but it's still too early to say. I hope blizzard is planning on putting up the next PTR before the holidays.
Hmm haven't check into it, but doesn't the daily involve killing mobs to get the tokens? I have a 70war with JC rotting somewhere. I assumed the daily involved higher lvl stuff, so haven't bothered, but looking at wowhead now, it seems to just be general type of mobs. I guess I could find lvl 68-71mobs of each type in the starting zones, would that work? Would be a pretty nice way to make more side money, on top of crafting overpriced belt buckles and smelting titansteel bars and selling them for twice the amount of mats ^^.
 
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Old 12/01/08, 11:51 PM   #1449
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Originally Posted by Pyros View Post
Hmm haven't check into it, but doesn't the daily involve killing mobs to get the tokens? I have a 70war with JC rotting somewhere. I assumed the daily involved higher lvl stuff, so haven't bothered, but looking at wowhead now, it seems to just be general type of mobs. I guess I could find lvl 68-71mobs of each type in the starting zones, would that work?
Yes, all of the dailies can be completed by killing low-level mobs in Borean Tundra or Howling Fjord. My level 70 rogue alt is doing the daily religiously with no problems.
 
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Old 12/02/08, 2:47 AM   #1450
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Originally Posted by Beliandra View Post
Yes, all of the dailies can be completed by killing low-level mobs in Borean Tundra or Howling Fjord. My level 70 rogue alt is doing the daily religiously with no problems.
Seconded. I do it with my enh shaman in abysmal lvl 70 gear with no problems. The highest level mobs you need are the Revenants near Wyrmrest, all the rest of the drops you can get off mobs that are 70 or lower near flightpaths in Howling Fjord or Dragonblight.
 
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