The WotLK profession thread - Page 59

Kirion · 09/23/08, 7:09 AM

Originally Posted by glowacks

If it's only a small part of the trinket's effect? Definitely. Obviously it's not the huge draw that it used to be, but it's still an *interesting* addition that fits in with the Alchemy profession as opposed to just a straight stat boost.

That's still around 30 mp5 for fights under 5 minutes, so yes, as additional effect it's not that bad.

choumarin · 09/23/08, 7:53 AM

Hi all,

I've set up a spreadsheet, based on the work of Sservis of Staghelm (US) and his leveling guide for Blacksmithing, to find the best Inscription leveling path.

I'd like some feedback on it, since I don't have access to beta (I'm trying to get on the PTR, but copy is full).
I am first looking for feedback on calculation, process, idea, etc. After the calculation is clear, I'll look into completing automated parsing of data and other features.

Anyway, all help is welcomed and you can get the file here : http://thechosenone.free.fr/WoW/Leve...ions_v0.9.xlsm

I hope to make it reusable for other professions too.

PS : You need Excel 2007 to open it. You also need MSXML for the macros to work (get it here)
Also, you should not worry about the macros, they only serve wowhead parsing purpose and are useless for calculations.

Bullshot · 09/23/08, 8:06 AM

Originally Posted by Snowcrasher

Alchemy
- 50% bonus to flasks (Mixology)
--- Flask bonus = 90 AP or 19 MP5 or 325 HP or 62.5 SP
- 25% bonus to elixirs (Mixology)
--- Elixir bonus (Battle) = 22.5 AP or 14.5 SP or 12.5 STR or 11.25 AGI or 5 stats
---- AND
--- Elixir bonus (Guardian) = 4MP5 or 12.5 Res or 12.5 SPI or 200 AC or 87.5 HP + 5 HP5
- BOP Endless Potions (reusable item, usable in Arenas)
--- Restores 1680 to 2160 health, 3 Min Cooldown (Endless Healing Potion)
--- Restores 400 to 600 mana, 3 Min Cooldown (Endless Mana Potion)
--- Restores 1680 to 2160 health and 400 to 600 mana, 3 Min Cooldown (Endless Rejuvenation Potion)
- BOP Trinkets with 40% bonus to potion effectiveness

The elixirs and flasks have a 100% increased duration as well according to a post a couple of pages back. http://elitistjerks.com/902489-post817.html

Malleus · 09/23/08, 9:28 AM

Originally Posted by Mideci

... does anyone for a second consider that a trinket that improves potions 40% when you can use only one potion per fight is interesting? Cause Blizzard does.

I prefer to think of it the other way round. Does anyone for a second consider that a profession perk trinket with base stats matching a best in slot item that drops from the end boss of Black Temple is uninteresting just because its secondary ability only comes into play once each fight? 'Cause that's what my Redeemer's Alchemist Stone does, and I don't think it's uninteresting at all.

berg · 09/23/08, 9:37 AM

Pretty good compilation.

I am a little curious about the clear drop off in benefit between the crafting and gathering trade skills. I imagine this is a design decision but I wonder if it is a fair one? Sure herbalism/mining can make gold but with the introduction of daily quests everyone has access to turn time into gold, not just gatherers.

I am personally interested in learning which of these abilities stack/do not stack.

For example:
Can you put a blacksmithing socket and a leatherworking lining on the same bracers?
Can you put an engineering haste buffer and a normal enchanter enchant on the same gloves?
etc.

Evanaescent · 09/23/08, 9:57 AM

Originally Posted by choumarin

PS : You need Excel 2007 to open it. You also need MSXML for the macros to work (get it here)
Also, you should not worry about the macros, they only serve wowhead parsing purpose and are useless for calculations.

This might be off-topic, or even asking for something that's not feasible - but I currently (and don't plan on having) do not have access to Excel 2007. Do you happen to have a way of converting this to something that's compliant with older versions of excel, or OpenOffice? I'm sure there are others in the same boat as I who would be curious to see this.

KraxisSingular · 09/23/08, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by berg

Pretty good compilation.
For example:
Can you put a blacksmithing socket and a leatherworking lining on the same bracers?
Can you put an engineering haste buffer and a normal enchanter enchant on the same gloves?
etc.

Fur Lining counts as an Enchant while the BS socket is free. So yes they can be combined.
The Engineering glove buff is also counted as an enchant, so no you can't use a regular enchant on top of it.

choumarin · 09/23/08, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Evanaescent

This might be off-topic, or even asking for something that's not feasible - but I currently (and don't plan on having) do not have access to Excel 2007. Do you happen to have a way of converting this to something that's compliant with older versions of excel, or OpenOffice? I'm sure there are others in the same boat as I who would be curious to see this.

I'd love to, and you're not the only one to ask. Unfortunatly, I have used in my calculation 1 column per skill rank, thus around 450. And older version of Excel, or even OO, only support 256 colums. I'll try to have a workaround for this is the only limiting factor.

Masaru · 09/23/08, 12:00 PM

Jewelcrafting is looking very attractive for a mage, given that it's a profession that has a large SP benefit while being a profession you'll actually use regularly (unlike BS, for example). Inscription.... I keep thinking that this will be a good second profession, but the perks don't amount to as much without the extra Major Glyph slot, even though the shoulder Inscriptions are a nice way to forego maxing a Rep out.

sylveni · 09/23/08, 1:10 PM

Jewelcrafting seems lackluster for anyone who maintains multiple gear sets. Do you choose to put your 3 unique gems into your raiding pve set, or into your arena pvp set? While you could instead pick up enchanting or blacksmithing and have your special enchants/sockets for both sets.

RootBreaker · 09/23/08, 1:13 PM

Originally Posted by sylveni

Jewelcrafting seems lackluster for anyone who maintains multiple gear sets. Do you choose to put your 3 unique gems into your raiding pve set, or into your arena pvp set? While you could instead pick up enchanting or blacksmithing and have your special enchants/sockets for both sets.

I don't think so. The flavor text kind of implies that, but the gems specifically state Unique-Equipped Prismatic Gems (3)

Mideci · 09/23/08, 5:53 PM

Originally Posted by Malleus

I prefer to think of it the other way round. Does anyone for a second consider that a profession perk trinket with base stats matching a best in slot item that drops from the end boss of Black Temple is uninteresting just because its secondary ability only comes into play once each fight? 'Cause that's what my Redeemer's Alchemist Stone does, and I don't think it's uninteresting at all.

Today, the Redeemer's Alchemist Stone is amazing. After 3.0, it's not even remotely close to the Memento. But mana problems become real again and potions don't solve them. The Memento helps; the Redeemer's stone? Not so much. Especially not with lvl 70 mana potions. It's 1000 extra mana on Illidari Council over 10 mins, for example. Hell, even on Brutallus, you are looking at going from 3000 extra mana over 6 mins (500 mana / min, ~80 mp/5) to 1000 extra ( ~ 27 mp/5). Forgive me for yawning.

Ukerric · 09/24/08, 7:52 AM

Originally Posted by choumarin

I'd love to, and you're not the only one to ask. Unfortunatly, I have used in my calculation 1 column per skill rank, thus around 450. And older version of Excel, or even OO, only support 256 colums. I'll try to have a workaround for this is the only limiting factor.

I have resurrected my older Powercrafting spreadsheet for Jewelcraft, and started conversion into Inscription.

It's a bit more complicated, and I haven't published it because the profession is still in a state of Flux. Take Wowhead's datamined skills vs El's Inscription guide, and you get somewhat different versions (and I get so much lag logging in Dalaran, I've pretty much given up on euro beta these days).

That spreadsheet is very basic, works on OpenOffice with zero macros. You plug in your current herb stock, and it tells you what to craft and how much skill you end up after each step. Here's a sample (goes only to 100+) of what I'm trying to achieve:

http://www.frmug.org/archer/Powerscribe.xls
*** edit: if you tried to access the previous URL, use the one without the ~ (there were three people who tried already) ***

Enter your herb stocks on sheet 1, consult the powerskilling setup on sheet 2. Column A tells you how much skill you should expect after crafting Column C of Column B items. Column D tells you what to do (throw away/sell, keep for later use), and Column E... will tell you "FAIL" if you don't have enough herbs to achieve that level of skill.

Expect a more complete version of that spreadsheet for live.

Darkrenown · 09/24/08, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by PSGarak

The last word on the sockets is that it wasn't implimented because it wasn't stacking with enchants. The socket thingy was basically "Enchant Weapon - Add a Socket," which showed they could dynamically add a socket to a weapon, but they were still working on a way to do that without taking up the enchant slot. Belts aren't a problem, there's no belt enchants. Supposedly the blacksmithing socket is waiting on new tech so that it doesn't vastly suck, and the eventual plan is stackability. Mind you, they've scrapped more than one talent recently because the tech issues weren't working out...

They also said DK Runeforged enchants couldn't be made to stack with regular enchants because the code only allows adding one permement and one temp buff to an item, if the BS bonus socket counts as an enchant it doesn't sound like it'd ever stack with an enchant. I don't know if it'd be workable, but I suppose they could make a copy of every weapon in the game and add another version with the bonus socket. You get the item, cast "add socket" on it, it's destroyed and you are given the verion with the extra socket instead.

Ambika · 09/24/08, 1:04 PM

Originally Posted by Ukerric

I have resurrected my older Powercrafting spreadsheet for Jewelcraft, and started conversion into Inscription.

It's a bit more complicated, and I haven't published it because the profession is still in a state of Flux. Take Wowhead's datamined skills vs El's Inscription guide, and you get somewhat different versions (and I get so much lag logging in Dalaran, I've pretty much given up on euro beta these days).

That spreadsheet is very basic, works on OpenOffice with zero macros. You plug in your current herb stock, and it tells you what to craft and how much skill you end up after each step. Here's a sample (goes only to 100+) of what I'm trying to achieve:

http://www.frmug.org/archer/Powerscribe.xls
*** edit: if you tried to access the previous URL, use the one without the ~ (there were three people who tried already) ***

Enter your herb stocks on sheet 1, consult the powerskilling setup on sheet 2. Column A tells you how much skill you should expect after crafting Column C of Column B items. Column D tells you what to do (throw away/sell, keep for later use), and Column E... will tell you "FAIL" if you don't have enough herbs to achieve that level of skill.

Expect a more complete version of that spreadsheet for live.

Please post again in the threat when the spreadsheet is updated. I'm very much looking forward to getting a baseline of the quantity of herbs I'll need to gather to maximize my leveling. Whatever is left over I can go ahead and toss on the AH Day 1 to get a headstart on the economy.