The WotLK profession thread - Page 62

Valerian · 09/26/08, 3:29 PM

They specifically removed quest turn in XP for quests you already had banked when BC came out didn't they? I can't imagine they'll let it work this time too.

Lgs · 09/26/08, 3:30 PM

Originally Posted by Valerian

They specifically removed quest turn in XP for quests you already had banked when BC came out didn't they? I can't imagine they'll let it work this time too.

They did not. I turned in several before going to Outland. Think of the average user who could just be hitting 70 when the xpac comes out. Blizz wouldn't create frustration like that.

Jakuniku · 09/26/08, 3:35 PM

Originally Posted by Lgs

They did not. I turned in several before going to Outland. Think of the average user who could just be hitting 70 when the xpac comes out. Blizz wouldn't create frustration like that.

Yeah, what they nerfed prior to BC was being able to keep quest items in your inventory after you abandoned the quest. Some people were banking tons of quest items so that they could reaccept quests and thus have more quests completed than the limit.

Kahcheeta · 09/27/08, 9:22 AM

Why is it so that gathering professions have so very different capacity in their bags?

BC/LK bags:
Enchanters - 32 slots (LK)
Inscribers - 32 (LK)
Miners - 32 (LK)
Herbalists - 28 (BC)
Engineers - 28 (BC)
Jewelcrafters - 24 (BC)
Leatherworkers/Skinners - 24 slots (LK)

Jewecrafters and Leatherworkers have no reason to equip bags that only give you 2 more slots, and limit the items that can be put in the bag.

Can somebody with beta access make a suggestion to the developers to at least up the bag capacity of LW and JC?

Oaken · 09/27/08, 11:27 AM

None other than the fact that the 24-slot specialty bags are a fraction of the cost of the 22-slot general ones.

Zurai · 09/27/08, 5:10 PM

Originally Posted by Snowcrasher

Summary of Profession Perks:
(This is PVE focused)

Jewelcrafting
- BOP Gems (can use up to 3 total, not unique, prismatic for easier socket bonuses)
- BOP Trinkets

Stat Comparisons (between professions):

Tanking:
- Jewelcrafting = 33 STA
--- Jewelcrafting = 48 STA (counts avoiding using a red gem instead of a blue for meta requirements)

Physical DPS:
- Jewelcrafting = 42 AP or 21 AGI or 21 STR or 21 Crit Rating or 21 Haste Rating or 21 Hit Rating or 177 ArPen
--- Jewelcrafting = 62 AP or 31 AGI or 31 STR etc. (counts avoiding using a blue gem instead of a red for meta requirements)

Caster DPS / Healing:
- Jewelcrafting = 27 SP or 21 Crit Rating or 21 Haste Rating or 21 Hit Rating or 9 MP5
--- Jewelcrafting = 49 SP (counts avoiding using 2 blue gems instead of 2 red gems for meta requirements)

One thing that it appears you've overlooked, here, is that the Jewelcrafting Bind on Pickup trinkets all have 2 sockets on them. No other trinkets have sockets. This means jewelcrafters can get the benefit of up to +4 sockets over other characters, which is a pretty massive benefit all told (80 itemization points extra, not counting socket bonuses, with blue quality non-perfect gems).

Douglas · 09/27/08, 5:18 PM

Originally Posted by Zurai

One thing that it appears you've overlooked, here, is that the Jewelcrafting Bind on Pickup trinkets all have 2 sockets on them. No other trinkets have sockets. This means jewelcrafters can get the benefit of up to +4 sockets over other characters, which is a pretty massive benefit all told (80 itemization points extra, not counting socket bonuses, with blue quality non-perfect gems).

This assumes that the JC trinkets and other trinkets are identical. If JC trinkets are replaced by best-in-slot trinkets from raiding, the benefit goes away.

There's still a benefit here, but I don't think its right to measure it in terms of raw power. It's more of a benefit of flexibility. To get a trinket of a given power level, most folks have to find a trinket of that power level, but jewelcrafters will be able to craft a weaker trinket and socket it, allowing them to tune themselves more.

If jewelcrafting let people add two sockets to existing trinkets, then your math would be right.

Zurai · 09/27/08, 5:49 PM

Originally Posted by Douglas

This assumes that the JC trinkets and other trinkets are identical. If JC trinkets are replaced by best-in-slot trinkets from raiding, the benefit goes away.

It'll be a while before that happens, I imagine. Compare a Monarch Crab socketed with a 24 stam and a 12 stam/8 defense gem (108 stam, 8 defense rating, dodge rating use) to, say, Rune of Repulsion off KT-25. 1188 hp and 300 dodge rating for 10 sec on a 1m cooldown vs 97 parry rating and 375 parry rating for 20 sec on a 2m cooldown. The cooldowns are essentially identical (same % avoidance, although parry has the advantage of parry haste), which leaves us with 97 parry rating (1.7% avoidance) vs almost 1200 health.

And that's the blue tank trinket, with blue, non-perfect gems. There will certainly be epic versions of these trinkets just as there were in TBC. Eventually they'll be replaced, certainly, but it should take quite a while (especially since none of the current epic trinkets have ANY stam on them, as far as I can tell). Basically, the level 75 blue JC trinkets compare favorably to the T7-25 end boss epic trinkets. Presumably the level 80 epic JC trinkets will compare favorably to the T8-25 end boss epic trinkets. That gives us T9, which will be the final tier if Blizz is consistent with 3 tiers of raids per expansion. And, that's still not figuring in epic T8/9 gems.

CD · 09/27/08, 6:49 PM

Originally Posted by Zurai

It'll be a while before that happens, I imagine. Compare a Monarch Crab socketed with a 24 stam and a 12 stam/8 defense gem (108 stam, 8 defense rating, dodge rating use) to, say, Rune of Repulsion off KT-25. 1188 hp and 300 dodge rating for 10 sec on a 1m cooldown vs 97 parry rating and 375 parry rating for 20 sec on a 2m cooldown. The cooldowns are essentially identical (same % avoidance, although parry has the advantage of parry haste), which leaves us with 97 parry rating (1.7% avoidance) vs almost 1200 health.

And that's the blue tank trinket, with blue, non-perfect gems. There will certainly be epic versions of these trinkets just as there were in TBC. Eventually they'll be replaced, certainly, but it should take quite a while (especially since none of the current epic trinkets have ANY stam on them, as far as I can tell). Basically, the level 75 blue JC trinkets compare favorably to the T7-25 end boss epic trinkets. Presumably the level 80 epic JC trinkets will compare favorably to the T8-25 end boss epic trinkets. That gives us T9, which will be the final tier if Blizz is consistent with 3 tiers of raids per expansion. And, that's still not figuring in epic T8/9 gems.

ilevel 213 is 10 man KT or 25 man non- KT.

Compare the JC trinket with Essence of Gossamer and you see it is ridiculous to say JC gets two additional trinket slots for free. On these ilevel 200 blues you get 2 sockets at the expense of 48 sta. If you're able to use epic gems you'll obviously get a slight benefit from the JC trinket but I really doubt we'll be using epic gems at pre- raid level.

Targozha · 09/28/08, 2:33 AM

The real benefit of particularly that trinket (Monarch Crab), is the fact that you can socket it which ever way you want, or need. Also don't forget the 9 stamina socket bonus, which is very easy to get with one of the JC specific gems. Up to 154 possible stamina from it with two of those (although I'd only use one, as you could get more out of the 2nd one elsewhere). You can also socket for Defense to reach the crit cap, or hit, or expertise...You can basically turn it into whatever trinket you need it to be, which imo is very powerful indeed.

Sure, eventually it might get replaced with trinkets dropping from raids, but I think that'll take a while.

Rerox · 09/28/08, 3:41 AM

Beliandra · 09/28/08, 6:23 AM

Originally Posted by Rerox

Blue BoE Patterns cost: 3 "Heavy Borean Leather" each.

Note that the chest pieces of those blue PvP "sets" are BoP.

Halion · 09/28/08, 7:16 AM

No more drums.

I'm not 100% sure, but to me it seems like Blizz has decided to nix drums this xpack.

A recent change made all TBC drums not effect targets of level 80 or higher (so you can't use them in WotLK raids) and there are no new drum recipes in beta. There were a while back, but they are gone.

Or am I missing something? I would think there would be QQ posts (on Blizz forums) about it, but I haven't seen any.

Roywyn · 09/28/08, 7:39 AM

Originally Posted by Beliandra

Note that the chest pieces of those blue PvP "sets" are BoP.

Probably a bug, just report it.

I was looking at the direct profession benefits again when the exact benefit was not obvious:

Enchanting: +64 AP, +38 spell power, +48 stamina

Blacksmithing: 2 sockets, so +32 stats/rating or +38 SP / +48 sta / +64 AP with non-epic gems.
Wowhead reports that they stack with enchants in that slot.
This gets better with epic gems.

Jewelcrafting: 3 prismatic gems with better stats, so +33 stats / +39 SP / +51 sta / +66 AP, and 3 undesirable colours.
Prismatic gems have 27 stats / 32 spell power / 41 stamina. This gets worse with epic gems.

Inscription: Better Inscriptions for +32 dodge / +37 spell power / +64 AP.

Leatherworking: (+37 spell power / +74 sta / +76 AP)
Lining is +67 spell power / +90 sta / +114 AP / +60 any resist, regular enchants are +6 to all stats / + 15 expertise / +16 sta / +30 spell power / +38 AP
Some enchants aren't out yet or wrongly designed, so take these as estimates.
Also, current drums are capped at level 79 and there are none for level 80.

Originally Posted by Halion

Or am I missing something? I would think there would be QQ posts (on Blizz forums) about it, but I haven't seen any.

You beat me to it. Whine Trains are slower with PTR changes. Even the Tailoring Nerf Outcry (Spellfire/Shadoweave Set normalised to non-school specific spell power) has yet to happen.

Valerian · 09/28/08, 10:11 AM

Drums were too powerful a buff because they were a bonus that got better the more people had them. With adding the fur lining perks there's no need for MORE things in LW. 80 haste rating from drums (when you had 4 drummers) was a bigger benefit, stat value wise, than any of the current level 80 perks. I'd expect some QQ from the people that leveled LW just for drums, but really it was something that needed to be stopped now.