Daenerys

Oh wow, this stinks. Pre-patch I used over a hundred of these during raids and every single time they gave me the Potion of Speed haste buff. Just clicked one now and it gave me Indestructible. With no way to know what buff they are going to give, they are now a complete waste outside of using them as mana/health potions...what a shame. Though I guess that was probably the intent, but I certainly liked the idea of getting cheap speed potions as another side benefit of rolling Alchemy.

 

KraxisSingular

Pretty certain it was intended. Alchemy already has a very nice passive bonus, that can for some classes can pretty much be best of all proffs. This on top would really be overpowered. You still get a cheap potion, and it can still proc something very useful, so it isn't all that bad.

 

Rankiz

I have sit up day and nigth and tried to decide what 2 proffesions I shall take.
I have taken this criterias into my mind but still havent found the answer I am looking for.

- Boost urself good for arena play
- Earn good money from one of the proffesions
- If it's a exspensive proffesion, then I want a gatherer proffesion to

I have thinked of JC+Mining, since JC is exspensive, but mining wield up a little for the high price.

PS: Since my main focus will be PvP(Arena) take it to the mind, etc about recipes?

Please post why THAT proffesion(s) would fit my criterias well

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Anyone can make a list so I can check how much Ench+JC stuff should cost?
(So I dont lvl JC or Enchanting, and then find out its underpriced)

Like..Etc.

-Dragon's eye should cost 300g
-Star dust should cost 3g per stack

 

Cranberry

IMO, JC/Mining for PvP. Mining provides a tremendous stamina buff, and the JC trinkets are fantastic. That said, any profession will give a benefit of similar magnitude, it's a question of what you want out of it. Do you want stam? Hit? AP?

 

mobarabian

Starting from level 1 Jc, what would be the cost to get it to the highest level of 450 now in wotlk? Is it set on server prices? Or can some one give me a estimate. Thanks =]

 

clavarnway

I've seen 2000-3000g quoted most often, depending on how patient you are buying the stuff you need on the AH.

http://sigs.guildlaunch.net/sig.php/1424974uXyta.png

 

Alandriel

It took me probably 1k to get to 350, and I'd estimate probably 400g to get to 440. After that, you can cut metagems at 30g each while yellow. All in all, I'd guesstimate 2k should do it.

Also, if you disenchant, the level 30+ rings sell well when disenchanted. I made probably 400g back of my 1-350 cost.

 

Jezz

I just leveled it yesterday, I leveled in incredibly inefficiently and it cost me between 4-5k. This was only about a day after I know someone else had powerleveled it. The price of low level gems/bars seems to be incredibly inflated at the moment, which is really what cost the money. The most expensive part is between about 150-300, that alone probably cost me 3000g due to bad RNG on green recipes and just a complete lack of materials on the AH.

I am sure if you waited for an optimal time you could probably cut a few thousand off. Since leveling it yesterday, selling/DEing items I made while leveling has got me about 1500g of it back, so think of 4-5k as pretty much the maximum it could cost.

 

ZeroWashu

Having recently done this let me make a few suggestions.

With the change to mining it is not as painful to gather your own mats. The real shortages are experienced when it comes to gems needed for recipes. As such I recommend switching to the Stone Statue recipes and running them till gray. Server pricing issues might make solid and heavy stone too expensive so again, mine it.

The real choke point is from 265 to 300. This is when you start running into gems whose frequency was never good. Large Opal, Blue Sapphire, Azerothian Diamonds, and Huge Emeralds, are needed in good quantity. You can prospect a lot of thorium for this; which on a side note can be profitable while not leveling JC on some servers just to flip gems for others leveling JC.

Once you make 300 it gets pretty easy, TBC greens are generally so cheap as to be free. At 350 you switch immediately to greens from Northrend and from there is is real simple to get to 375. Just a note, the "perfect cut" special for JC is not given by the trainer in Dalaran but instead by trainers in BT and HF.


At the end of the day JC is my second most profitable tradeskill behind Inscription of all things.

 

Kissmyaxe

For someone wanting to level JC (or BS for that matter) the best way would be to roll mining first, gather all the mats you need then start leveling JC.
Mining is incredibly easy to level and it's rather efficient as the copper/iron/etc you get while leveling it you need it for JC/BS anyway.

This way it may take a bit longer, depending on how much it takes to mine all the stuff you need but even using AH to powerlevel may take a while if some crucial mats are in short supply.

 

Balog

It is more efficient to farm the more expensive Northrend mats, sell them, and buy the low level stuff. Partly because of more efficient gathering methods (epic flyer) and partly because of density in Sholazar and Wintergrasp.

 

• ash2ash

If you are thinking about it now, I would start scouting the AH and look for mats to level your JC between 200-300 because that is the most painful part. Over the course of a week, you can probably get a decent stash of gems/ores to be able to get thru that phase, should you decide to hunker down and level it.

 

clavarnway

Agree with above, I've seen the gems needed for that phase of JC pretty cheap on the AH sometimes, but it always seems when you NEED them, they are insanely expensive. So buy then when you don't need them and outsmart yourself!

http://sigs.guildlaunch.net/sig.php/1424974uXyta.png

 

Ja7us

Does it seem to anyone else that the Leatherworking +resist bracer enchants are a little overpowered? They give LW's access to a resistance buff that's not reachable by any other profession, which means that any time a serious resist check is made (Sarth+3 for tanks is the obvious one currently) leatherworkers get a massive advantage in gearing. It wouldn't be quite so out of line if there were regular +resist enchants to bracers, but as it is the LW gets a double bonus - enchanting for a stat you can't ordinarily get in that slot AND the high value of said stat.

Even if other professions got a similar bonus (Resist enchants for rings, JC-only resist gems... no idea what you would have to do for BS. Mixology does provide resists if you use the chromatic flask, so Alchemy is in line already) it still wouldn't be even unless there's a bracer enchant available to everyone that gives a smaller amount of resists.

 

vorda

Just introduce normal resist gems.

First off, imo it's completely fine for certain professions to be better in something than others. Blizzard wants all professions to hold equal value, which doesn't mean that their bonusses have to be complete copies.

Anyway, in the goal of balance, chances are that once the LW enchant does make a difference, they will equal things out again.
If they were to make say, gear that caps you without using any resistance enchant and only high quality items (like the frost resist gear currently), this problem won't arise though.

 

songster

Design: Subtle Scarlet Ruby
Design: Shifting Twilight Opal

The above two designs seem to be still missing. None on my realm, no drops recorded on Thottbot or Wowhead, and they don't show up on the EU or US versions of the Armory (implying they've never dropped).

 

Cuer

Those two JC designs never even showed up on the PTR; it's pretty safe to say they're not (yet) in the game. Here's hoping we'll see them for 3.1!

 

Riveth

I did a little research on prospecting results (trying to understand the deconstruction spells a little better), and realized that most of the tables I found were wrong. Using the data available on wowhead, along with some historical snapshots, it appears that prospecting follows some fairly simple rules:

• Each ore has two gem groups, groupA and groupB
• One gem from GroupA will result from each propsecting attempt (100% of the time)
• A second identical gem from GroupA may result from prospecting atttempt (0-50% of the time, constant per ore)
• Each gem from GroupA is equally likely to result
• One gem from GroupB may result from each prospecting attempt (2.5-24% of the time, constant per ore)
• Each gem from GroupB is equally likely to result

The ore constants are:

Ore	GroupA	GroupB
Copper	0%	10%
Tin	15%	10%
Iron	3.33%	10%
Mithril	3%	10%
Thorium	3%	2.5%
Fel Iron	5%	6.75%
Adamantite	10%	20%
Cobalt	50%	7.5%
Saronite	10%	24%

Thorium appears to have had a change done silently at some point. Originally, it appears that the Star Ruby was in GroupA twice, resulting in it having twice the drop rate of the other GroupA gems. Blizzard seems to have fixed it a while ago, as the rate reported by Wowhead has been steadily decreasing over time, such that it now clearly follows the same pattern as the other ores.

 

Trifle

Hmm while that could fit with most of what I've seen, group B (blue quality gems from saronite) can sometimes show up twice, which isn't accounted for in your theory. Even if you say there's a chance for a 2nd of group A, and also a chance of 2nd of group B, has anyone ever seen 2 green gems and 2 blue gems from one prospect? I know I haven't.

 

songster

Edit: beaten

 

• typobox

I saw it yesterday.

 

Riveth

Have you ever seen anything blue besides a ruby show up twice? I'm starting to think Rubies are very odd gems.

 

Riveth

Do you remember what ore and what gems you got?

 

Krag

While I don't know what gems Typobox got, I can add that I got two Monarch Topaz out of one saronite prospect a few days ago. I can remember that specifically because I got 4 topaz from 15 saronite ore in an RNG freakout.

 

Trifle

Usually when I get 2 blues at once its 2 different blues... eg a forest emerald and an autumn's glow. However if someone has seen 2 greens and 2 blues at once from the same prospect, then the theory above can fit, with the addition of an x% chance to get an extra table B gem as well. After all, 4 gems will be extremely unlikely, so it stands to reason alot of us won't have seen it personally.