The WotLK profession thread - Page 69

Rerox · 10/04/08, 9:28 AM

Originally Posted by sadris

Does anyone know if the bug where the "LW fur enchants didn't stack with BS additional sockets on wrist items" has been fixed?

That is working as intended as far as I know.

• sadris · 10/04/08, 9:56 AM

Originally Posted by Rerox

That is working as intended as far as I know.

Current speculation is that the blacksmithing sockets take up the slot of an enchant in the itemlink and as such, no items can be enchanted at all if there is an additional BS socket. This was based on a build from ~3weeks ago. It was guessed that reformulation of the itemlink code would have to be performed in order for BS sockets+enchants to be able to coexist.

Flamingcloud · 10/04/08, 12:45 PM

Would be nice if a Blacksmith on beta could confirm this is still the case, because blacksmithing goes from being one of the best to being utterly horrible if you can't enchant the pieces you added sockets to.

Copernicus · 10/04/08, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by sadris

Current speculation is that the blacksmithing sockets take up the slot of an enchant in the itemlink and as such, no items can be enchanted at all if there is an additional BS socket. This was based on a build from ~3weeks ago. It was guessed that reformulation of the itemlink code would have to be performed in order for BS sockets+enchants to be able to coexist.

Last I heard, Blacksmithing Sockets worked with enchantments.

Are you saying that people can't reenchant something that has a BS socket?

Dram · 10/04/08, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Flamingcloud

Would be nice if a Blacksmith on beta could confirm this is still the case, because blacksmithing goes from being one of the best to being utterly horrible if you can't enchant the pieces you added sockets to.

At the moment on beta my bracers/gloves have both an enchant and an extra socket on them, if you can't enchant something that has extra socket, then don't socket the item until you enchant it.

EDIT: Beaten

Jebraltar · 10/04/08, 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by Flamingcloud

Would be nice if a Blacksmith on beta could confirm this is still the case, because blacksmithing goes from being one of the best to being utterly horrible if you can't enchant the pieces you added sockets to.

I don't have the mats to enchant my new bracers or to enchant my gloves again, but I'll give you a couple screenshots of me enchanting some old enchanted NR bracers:
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2281/beforeqm1.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5062/afterfz4.jpg

If the fur linings can't be applied to an item with a Blacksmithing socket, they've added a check specifically for those enchants.

• sadris · 10/04/08, 1:15 PM

Originally Posted by Copernicus

Last I heard, Blacksmithing Sockets worked with enchantments.

Are you saying that people can't reenchant something that has a BS socket?

It was reported on the WoW Profession boards that the LW wrist enchants do not "stack" with the BS sockets. It was then confirmed in the BB that BS sockets do not stack with any enchants. This was about 3 weeks ago. The previous posts declare that enchants now do stack with BS sockets. It has not yet been confirmed, however, that the LW wrist enchants do or do not stack with the BS sockets. Keep in mind that the original poster provided no descriptions other than "they don't stack." I am seeking 100% confirmation that it is worthwhile to be a BS+LW.

crun · 10/05/08, 6:44 AM

Any idea if LW is getting trainable bop patterns? (something like Wildhawk set in tbc)
If so im definitely sticking to this profession

jowyattreides · 10/05/08, 3:00 PM

It is reported on a thread from the beta forums that the fur linings do conflict with enchantments,
blacksmithing sockets do not. According to Willhelm it is highly likely that you can at
the same time have a fur lining enchant and a colorless socket on an item.

link: WotLK Beta (US-English) Forums -> Blacksmithing Socketing & Leatherworking Fur

jeeebus · 10/05/08, 8:15 PM

I just popped a Flask of Supreme Power on the PTR and was surprised to see a 4 hour duration on 70 spell power. Is this mixology bonus unique to that flask, or did they nerf Mixology?

Douglas · 10/06/08, 9:21 AM

Originally Posted by jeeebus

I just popped a Flask of Supreme Power on the PTR and was surprised to see a 4 hour duration on 70 spell power. Is this mixology bonus unique to that flask, or did they nerf Mixology?

How did you determine the 70 spellpower? By reading the tooltip of the buff icon, or by actually comparing the values on the spellcasting area of your character sheet?

I believe we've got the same problem we've always had, for example with talented versions of "Mark of the Wild", where modified versions of buffs show the tooltip for the unmodified version. You can't trust the icon to tell you the actual stats.

jeeebus · 10/06/08, 9:49 AM

How did you determine the 70 spellpower? By reading the tooltip of the buff icon, or by actually comparing the values on the spellcasting area of your character sheet?

I believe we've got the same problem we've always had, for example with talented versions of "Mark of the Wild", where modified versions of buffs show the tooltip for the unmodified version. You can't trust the icon to tell you the actual stats.

Good catch, it's a 4 hour buff of +93 spellpower (33%) on the character sheet.

Changer_executus · 10/06/08, 11:13 AM

I only see mention of the +40% to potion effects from the Alchemy specific trinkets in this post.

I think it is important to consider these trinkets for their stat bonuses as well:

Indestructible Alchemist's Stone
Mercurial Alchemist Stone
Mighty Alchemist's Stone

With reference directly to the tanking trinket i think that at this time for a feral tank the Alchemy trinket is the 2nd best in game (behind Defenders Code). In My opinion the two will compliment each other perfectly. Both providing a different type of "in case of emergency" usage.

I base this statement on a gear comparison spreadsheet i have made using Emmerald's old weighting values (modified to account for the new values of Agility/Dodge & Agi/Crit conversions, and factoring in the increased value of Armor due to the Feral item armor nerfs).

Also there are two other things that make this trinket great:

1) Its availiable pre-raiding, and as a result can be used from the first raid onwards, unlike Defenders Code that drops within Naxx-25. Prior to Defenders Code i will be using Offering of Sacrifice which is from a heroic.

2) It is only a rare item, and it will be fair to assume that Blizzard will add an epic version to the game that will be availiable through some sort of rep grind like with the Shattered sun offensive items in TBC, or through the daily quest tokens.

Sydane · 10/06/08, 11:46 AM

From all the talk about the sockets and enchants, here's the way I believe it works.

Each item has two "enhancement slots" which is why on a weapon you can have a temporary enhancement like windfury, and a permanent one like Mongoose.

On the gloves/bracers, the new socket goes into the same slot a "temporary" enchant would. This is why they couldn't do weapons, because that slot was already being used.

On bracers, they had to choose whether the Fur Lining would go into the "temporary" slot and thus replace an added socket, or the "permanent" slot and replace an enchant. They chose the enchant. Thus, you can have a gem socket and an enchant, or a gem socket and a fur lining, but not a fur lining and an enchant.

The built in sockets on an item are not part of the enchantment system, and the additional sockets a BS can add are not related to any existing sockets on an item.

Kandir · 10/06/08, 12:04 PM

Without having indepth knowledge of whats been said by Blizzard and not, I would have thought that one of the item characteristics would be a number of sockets, represented by the number 0-3 (for example), and that the BS socketing function would merely increase that number by 1. There'd then be a control check to make sure it was the right item type being socketed of course.