The WotLK profession thread - Page 72

Falk · 10/12/08, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Chicken

Same for wrist kits replacing the LW only pants kits ?
Yes, though I think Leatherworkers still get a BoP equivalent of the best pants kits that require less rare reagents (Same stats, but cheaper to make).

Emphasis on the 'cheaper' part. It's literally free. And when you consider multiple rapid upgrades for both dps and tanking, that's a pretty awesome perk.

Prinsesa · 10/12/08, 11:14 AM

The LW leg armor change is new to me.

If I understood the last few posts correctly, LWs will always use the same stat-allocated leg armors as everyone else, except theirs is extremely cheap/free, and the LW-specific perk will come explicitly from the fur lining bracer enchants?

Also, what about Tailoring? Do they retain their upgraded leg spell threads as a Tailoring-specific perk, or was it moved to something else like LW?

Roywyn · 10/12/08, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Prinsesa

The LW leg armor change is new to me.

If I understood the last few posts correctly, LWs will always use the same stat-allocated leg armors as everyone else, except theirs is extremely cheap/free, and the LW-specific perk will come explicitly from the fur lining bracer enchants?

Also, what about Tailoring? Do they retain their upgraded leg spell threads as a Tailoring-specific perk, or was it moved to something else like LW?

LW and Tailoring have cheap BoP leg enchants that are just that. Cheap, with the same stats as the normal epic ones.
LW gets the tanking/physical enchants, tailoring the caster/healer version.

The "personal performance" benefit for LW are the more powerful bracer enchants.
For Tailoring it's the cloak enchants. Which doesn't quite work out because they are worse than regular cloak enchants.

Inscription has the shoulder enchants, which are balanced above the exalted Sons of Hodir enchants.
So, Inscription is better than other professions when you're not exalted with them.

JC is better for mages and other classes because they prismatic gems unlock their meta gem, so they don't have to use (bad) blue gems in their gear.

Pruka · 10/12/08, 11:29 AM

I was wondering if anyone has found any new (read:larger) bags in wotlk be it from tradeskills or drops? Ive tried to search here and google and I cannot come up with a certain yes or no. Ive considered buying the 1200g bags for my warrior but do not want to waste the gold if I will be able to get them or bigger ones come xpac.

Thanks

• Chicken · 10/12/08, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Pruka

I was wondering if anyone has found any new (read:larger) bags in wotlk be it from tradeskills or drops? Ive tried to search here and google and I cannot come up with a certain yes or no. Ive considered buying the 1200g bags for my warrior but do not want to waste the gold if I will be able to get them or bigger ones come xpac.

Thanks

There'll be craftable 22-slot bags, but nothing bigger has been seen (yet). Glacial Bag - Spell - World of Warcraft

There's also much cheaper 20-slot bags available, which could be worth investing in if you haven't upgraded past 18-slotters (Or 16-slotters in some cases).

Negg · 10/12/08, 7:11 PM

k, tnx for the answers.

But weird that JCs get 3 gems, thats +30 stats where other professions get around 40 stats, the BoP jewelry must be making up for this then.

Ench + JC is it for a resto shaman then I think. 40 Haste on rings and 30 extra Int is sweet.

Oh, and BS, they only get one extra socket ? That's weird, only 20 extra stats there, the BoP BS stuff must be worth a lot then.

Jebraltar · 10/12/08, 7:47 PM

Blacksmiths get bracer and glove sockets, the belt socket is usable by anyone. There actually isn't even any BoP blacksmithing gear I've found so far.

Flamingcloud · 10/12/08, 8:32 PM

Originally Posted by Jebraltar

Blacksmiths get bracer and glove sockets, the belt socket is usable by anyone. There actually isn't even any BoP blacksmithing gear I've found so far.

There is very little BoP gear in general, and no weaponsmith/armorsmith epics. I was hoping someone at blizzcon would ask if BoP profession items were coming soon, but everyone asked fail questions about feral druids. As it breaks down right now, the only point of professions are the passive bonuses.

mclem · 10/12/08, 8:35 PM

Originally Posted by Negg

But weird that JCs get 3 gems, thats +30 stats where other professions get around 40 stats, the BoP jewelry must be making up for this then.

Bear in mind that they're colourless gems, and so they may make it significantly easier to hit socket bonusses. That may end up being a significant boon.

Falk · 10/12/08, 9:14 PM

Perhaps the lack of BoP gear reflects a shift in design paradigm - instead of designing a bunch of gear that is either overpowered, or eventually gets replaced (or both) resulting in either other people or the profression holders themselves bitching about it, they've swapped over to profession perks making whatever gear you get into -that- BoP piece. Then again we still have engineering helms. Hmm.

Brio · 10/12/08, 9:34 PM

The thing with bop items is that they failed with Frozen Shadoweave specifically. Things such as [Sunfire Robe] make sense. You get to use your profession to make your gear. They just need to do it with all professions, which would be good. I don't think anyone would complain about seeing recipes drop, as long as they didn't take away an item drop. Not being able to use your crafting profession to make stuff (that you would actually want) is not really fun.

Mideci · 10/12/08, 10:16 PM

I can't agree more. Right now, it seems fairly ridiculous to have professions. You certainly do get a stats bonus and for hardcore players that's worth it, don't get me wrong. But for regular players, it seems like a gigantic waste of resources to level the profession for a fairly small -- in terms of your overall stats at lvl 80 -- bonus. These professions are by and large inconvenient or impossible to make money with, especially versus gathering, where serendipitous moneymaking is all-but guaranteed.

Everyone gets that Frozen Shadowweave was a mistake. But there needs to be some kind of middle ground where you can make some of your own gear and upgrade it as you go through the raid zones with zone-based drops. 3 slots worth of gear out of 18 is hardly game-breaking and would make being a tailor or leatherworker or blacksmith truly interesting. 30 or 40 stat points doesn't feel very interesting.

Addled · 10/12/08, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Falk

Perhaps the lack of BoP gear reflects a shift in design paradigm - instead of designing a bunch of gear that is either overpowered, or eventually gets replaced (or both) resulting in either other people or the profression holders themselves bitching about it, they've swapped over to profession perks making whatever gear you get into -that- BoP piece. Then again we still have engineering helms. Hmm.

If you're right, then I dislike this new shift.

I'm planning to level a restoration shaman for WotLK. He has Leatherworking and Engineering. From Engineering, my shaman has a gathering profession (mote extractor) and a decent epic helm. What does the shaman get from Leatherworking? Almost nothing. I get Fur Lining - Spell Power - Spell - World of Warcraft , which also takes up the enchanting slot on my bracers. Plus, since Tailoring makes the leg spellpower enchants, I have to purchase them from a Tailor.

Where exactly is the benefit for anyone to spec BSing, Tailoring or LWing? All the crafted gear from professions seem to be BoE, might as well chuck the profession onto an alt and pick up a gathering profession, since they have pretty decent bonuses.

Can anyone post an inquiry on the beta forums, asking about this?

Falk · 10/12/08, 11:44 PM

Er, the crafting professions seem to have better statistic perks than the gathering ones. But I agree with you. And don't read too far into it - stuff may just not be implemented yet.

Axanor · 10/12/08, 11:47 PM

Didn't they state at Blizzcon that they were going to implement pattern drops later on? (ala Sunfire Robe, the Belts/Boots from TK)