The WotLK profession thread - Page 76

Moomentum · 10/15/08, 6:38 AM

Originally Posted by Daenerys

Anyone else doing some Inscription powerleveling and getting stuck around 295? The orange patterns I have at 295 take the ink that you need 300 skill to craft. Anyone found a work-around for this?

Save the sapphire pigment you get from milling the silvery level herbs until 295, Ink of the Sky stays green until 300 and costs you effectively nothing. Otherwise you could try to find a higher level scribe to make the 300 level ink for you.

Tagamogi · 10/15/08, 9:36 AM

Originally Posted by Moomentum

Save the sapphire pigment you get from milling the silvery level herbs until 295, Ink of the Sky stays green until 300 and costs you effectively nothing. Otherwise you could try to find a higher level scribe to make the 300 level ink for you.

There are also a couple glyphs that will stay green until 300 - glyph of execution and glyph of sprint. You can train up on those if you run out of pigment for ink of the sky. I haven't been able to find any yellow or orange recipes from 295-300 that didn't require the level 300 ink.

Copernicus · 10/15/08, 9:44 AM

Every non-Ethereal Ink option turns gray at 300, so that last skill point is probably brutal.

Also, the Minor Inscription Research producing a glyph (instead of teaching it) bug still exists - I think. One of my guildmates said that he got a glyph instead of learning it.

Pharmacon · 10/15/08, 10:03 AM

Does anyone know of any plans on Blizzard's part to implement a way to make lower level inks with upper level pigments? Because as it stands now a good deal of the desirable glyphs (ie Scorch glyph) require the use of inks from pigments from low level herbs. This becomes a huge hassle because the herbs will be very expensive due to the pain it is to go out and get them. So it's hard for guildmates to get a hold of them and it's hard for me to keep mats for those inscripts. Seems like odd design to have some of the most useful glyphs be made with herbs from Arathi Highlands.

[e]: Also does anyone know if the minor glyph research is guaranteed to learn a new minor glyph? This will take a while even if it does, can't imagine if it doesn't. I used it last night but don't remember learning a new minor glyph.

Roywyn · 10/15/08, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Bonestorm

The epic BoP offhands have been dropped?

No, but they are not worth it at all. You'll get some gimicky blues while leveling, and have access to two epic off-hands at level 77.
Their item level is 200 like herioc and 10-man raid gear, but the Spirit tome is just bad and the Armour tome ... might be useful for Warlock Metamorphsis tanking or something?

Wowhead link: Off-hand Frills - Items - World of Warcraft

Originally Posted by Valerys

Can anyone confirm if Chaotic Skyflare Diamond affects melee crit rating and damage? If so, it would become the best meta for every melee except enhancement shamans. And with its requirement of 2 blue gems, being able to socket Dragon's Eyes will become even more valuable.

I can confirm that the level 70 versions [Relentless Earthstorm Diamond] and [Chaotic Skyfire Diamond] both affect physical and spell crit damage.
It hasn't been that way in live, at least not for a while.

Also, they both show the same calculation behaviour that results in 206% melee crits and 209% spell crits (with Ruin or an equivalent talent).

Furthermore, if you track the effects of the meta gems on wowhead, then you'll see that RED1 and RED2 have the exact same Spell ID on the crit bonus, and CSD1 and CSD2 have the exact same Spell ID bonus too (albeit a different one from RED).

So, while not a direct confirmation, the mechanics very strongly indicate that both will work for attacks and spells.
Which also makes the 21-Agility-Meta better for many casters before full T7 because it only needs 1 blue gems (not joking).

LittleHamster · 10/15/08, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Pharmacon

Does anyone know of any plans on Blizzard's part to implement a way to make lower level inks with upper level pigments? Because as it stands now a good deal of the desirable glyphs (ie Scorch glyph) require the use of inks from pigments from low level herbs. This becomes a huge hassle because the herbs will be very expensive due to the pain it is to go out and get them. So it's hard for guildmates to get a hold of them and it's hard for me to keep mats for those inscripts. Seems like odd design to have some of the most useful glyphs be made with herbs from Arathi Highlands.

It's not hard to get them if you have a herber. Last weekend, a couple of hours in Arathi Highland yielded me 10 stacks of goldthorn and khadgar's whisker. The zone was completely dead. (I logged off my herb alt to wait for respawns).

Given that the only difficulty in acquiring said herbs is simply supply on the AH. And that if there's a demand for them, farmers (and bots) will farm them to put on the AH. Besides, unlike alchemy, non of the herbs required for milling are rare. (This is not a fel lotus, nightmare vine or anicent lichen supply issue). Outland herbs are only abundant because there was profit to be made in farming them before.

boomix · 10/15/08, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by kysta

I would say yes, because that particular glyph is for sale in the alliance side auction house on shadow moon (one of the few working servers where I have characters).

I have made a few of those and tossed them onto AH on Malfurion (and SM was my old server).

Question I have is. Has anyone seen any new recipes that drop to get over the hump from 365 to 375? Everything I know is grey to me right now.

Har · 10/15/08, 1:58 PM

Originally Posted by boomix

Has anyone seen any new recipes that drop to get over the hump from 365 to 375? Everything I know is grey to me right now.

According to Siha at banana shoulders (Banana Shoulders Inscription Guide Revised - Levelling), "There are no recipes beyond 350 until you reach Northrend; levelling beyond 365 skill is not possible until WotLK is released."

Malleus · 10/15/08, 9:20 PM

Originally Posted by Copernicus

Every non-Ethereal Ink option turns gray at 300, so that last skill point is probably brutal.

Not so much, as it turns out. I ground just about enough herbs to do a 1-350 powerlevel based on the elsprofessions.com guide, which recommended numbers a long way below the Banana Shoulders guide in the 200-300 range. By the time I got to 295 with everything green, I still had enough basic Inks for 15 glyphs and Pigments for 13 rare Inks. I hit 300 with 6 or 7 crafts to spare.

Zifna · 10/15/08, 11:53 PM

I talked a little more in depth about how I think Inscription will be as a moneymaker at my blog here, but essentially I think that it's been fantastic in the very short term and the Minor market will continue to be fantastic for a week or two. After that it will slump off and be decidedly mediocre for at least a while.

A friend had a good observation though--it doesn't take very many stacks of herbs to level a character up high enough to do Minor Research and doing that might end up paying for itself if you found a good glyph today or tomorrow.

Bonestorm · 10/16/08, 1:46 AM

Originally Posted by Roywyn

No, but they are not worth it at all. You'll get some gimicky blues while leveling, and have access to two epic off-hands at level 77.
Their item level is 200 like herioc and 10-man raid gear, but the Spirit tome is just bad and the Armour tome ... might be useful for Warlock Metamorphsis tanking or something?

I figured they just hadn't implemented the level 80 versions yet, same thing with engi goggles.

Vaccine · 10/16/08, 2:16 AM

Does leatherworking have an equivalent to Titansteel or Mooncloth, that is a longish cooldown trade mat they can make? Like they used to do with cured rugged hides?

Eph · 10/16/08, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Zifna

A friend had a good observation though--it doesn't take very many stacks of herbs to level a character up high enough to do Minor Research and doing that might end up paying for itself if you found a good glyph today or tomorrow.

From my observations, the Minors are limited by the Inscription level of the character. My main has 365 Inscription and got a minor requiring Northrend herbs on her second day, my 4 other alts have Inscription at 75-100 and they have only learned Midnight Ink level minors and between them a couple duplicates on their second days.

Sydane · 10/16/08, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Bonestorm

I figured they just hadn't implemented the level 80 versions yet, same thing with engi goggles.

The level 77 Offhands are iLvl 200 and require a Frozen Orb, so they are definitely intended for use at level 80. Just like the current engineering goggles are level 62, you'll be able to get them early for alts once you have a level 80 character, but normally you won't be able to have them until you run a heroic. The itemization on [Faces of Doom] is decent but hardly best in slot when compared to the other three at that item level, in fact it's generally inferior in many ways. Of course, if you're like me and the offhand you want never drops, it's a good way to fill that slot and will provide an early boost getting into raiding. Hopefully we'll see upgrades throughout the cycle like the weapons had, but it does seem like they are balancing the crafted items to be on the 10 man side of the spectrum which is unfortunate as they will be generally poor for 25 man raiders.

Fqubed · 10/16/08, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Malleus

Not so much, as it turns out. I ground just about enough herbs to do a 1-350 powerlevel based on the elsprofessions.com guide, which recommended numbers a long way below the Banana Shoulders guide in the 200-300 range. By the time I got to 295 with everything green, I still had enough basic Inks for 15 glyphs and Pigments for 13 rare Inks. I hit 300 with 6 or 7 crafts to spare.

I would atribute it to luck. I think it was researched not too long ago how the % chance to skill up goes down as they get closer to gray. As it stands now I have crated 30 glyphs at 299 along with 25 inks before runing out of mats.

I imagine neither my or your experiance is the norm, but it is a hard point to grind out. And no, I have not found a 300+ inscriber to make ink for me.