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Old 12/03/08, 12:36 PM   #1456
Lothiron
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That's pretty much the same experience I've had. I, however, chose to drop over 6k gold on the AH to buy the mats and get the realm first inscription on Cairne. Not really sure why I did it, but I had money to burn, so I figured why not.

I've made a good chunk of it back through selling glyphs - as stated, that bestial wrath discovery was a godsend, I was getting about 200 gold per, and sold probably 15 before I started getting undercut. I still can't sell a card worth a damn, though, sadly. I've been able to construct two full decks - Prisms and Undeath.

As far as the cards being lackluster, I think [Darkmoon Card: Death] has some promise.

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Old 12/03/08, 12:52 PM   #1457
erragal
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Originally Posted by Sydane View Post
At this point on my server Eternal Life is basically impossible to buy, perhaps from other people making cards, but there have been very few of the new cards for sale on the AH either. With current prices it would take me about 300g per card in mats to make one, and I'd be hard pressed to even get a hold of those mats without farming them myself.
I know I've been making a killing as an herbalist selling lichbloom at 100+ a stack and Eternal Lifes at 50G each. Life's are selling at 20-40 gold more than any other eternals and it's likely a combo of Darkmoon Card crafting and Flask of Stoneblood for tanks. Most inscriptionists are likely min-maxing on their main so do not have herbalism, and haven't had time to get a farming alt as well. I've not even heavily farmed this, just grabbing herbs while doing hodir dailies and made an easy 2000-3000 gold incidentally, but having flight form is an enormous efficency boost in this matter.

Particularly the Nobles Strength and Agility decks are best in slot for a large number of specs, with the intellect one being a very strong mana regen option for healers. The min-max players in the know are going to be pushing as many cards out as they can, especially considering the ridiculous RNG nature of card acquisition. Illusions deck is also a decent healer option for throughput + regen so expect it to sell decently once people know what it is. The other decks are less valuable and will probably end up almost worthless as the market is flooded from people only crafting for nobles cards.

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Old 12/03/08, 2:35 PM   #1458
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Originally Posted by Sydane View Post
But it's certainly not much of a profession to profit from (not that I really care), and I have no need or motivation to level it past 400 other than one point per day doing research, which is a shame. Hopefully it will get a streamlining and tweaking pass in one of the future LK patches.
While I can't speak for the design of inscription specifically, isn't that much the same as with all professions - including the secondary ones - in this expansion, and is it really a bad thing?

Or rather; Is a design in which it is desireable/beneficial to max out a profession you're expected to keep for the entire expansion cycle in the first two weeks?

I kinda like this approach where the actual level matters less - and in some cases is more of a challenge rather than a grind - so there's room to fill them in later. If they decide to add more crafted gear, they don't need to stack it up at the cap. The people who are capped will be the people who are either completionists or the ones who genuinely uses the profession - because in many cases capping it offers no tangiable benefits yet, it's just something you can do. It feels like they've got more room to make crafting an actual progression than they had previously.

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Old 12/03/08, 2:45 PM   #1459
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If there's progression in the crafting, and some future refining, then I absolutely agree with you. Even if they just add a glamour benefit to being maxxed (like the different Flying Carpets for tailoring), it would be nice. I think a lot of professions are hoping for this, as Inscription is hardly in the worst position overall in terms of usefulness. I know they have specifically said that they want people to get use out of their profession even if they aren't maxxed, which is definitely a good thing, but there should still be some point to being maxxed as well, they don't have to be mututally exclusive.

Considering the state that it hit live servers, especially the 290 to 300 gap where the inscriptions you should be leveling on require an ink you can't make yourself until 300, it just seems like overall the profession was just thrown together and not given enough attention. We've seen this before, but you would think a profession they announced well over a year before it hit live would have had some extra time spent on it in development. All of the annoyances were also discovered and reported in the Beta, and I think most of us were surprised when it hit live in that same state with virtually no improvement. I do sincerely hope they give Inscription a top to bottom review and refinement some time in the future, and I hope we see an evolution of all crafting skills throughout the expansion. However, they've given no real indication they intend to do that, and if anything seem adverse to making any of the crafting skills too desirable.

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Old 12/03/08, 2:48 PM   #1460
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Originally Posted by Arakan View Post
This completely depends on the scale you produce gems on. Personally I keep a lot of gems on the auction house, and a popular cut bought with tokens will earn me more than the 2.3k gold within a week or two. They might be a great way of making money short-term, but I don't stop producing after two weeks.
Remember to only count the premium the specific cut provides. If you can get 120g for the token bought cut or 100g for your best other cut of the same gem then you'll need to make and sell over a hundred of that specific token cut to break even on the cost of the recipe. So eyes are looking good to me, I'll go back and start filling out my recipe list once a few more people start making the eyes.

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Old 12/03/08, 7:46 PM   #1461
Valerian
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Originally Posted by Lothiron View Post
That's pretty much the same experience I've had. I, however, chose to drop over 6k gold on the AH to buy the mats and get the realm first inscription on Cairne. Not really sure why I did it, but I had money to burn, so I figured why not.

I've made a good chunk of it back through selling glyphs - as stated, that bestial wrath discovery was a godsend, I was getting about 200 gold per, and sold probably 15 before I started getting undercut. I still can't sell a card worth a damn, though, sadly. I've been able to construct two full decks - Prisms and Undeath.

As far as the cards being lackluster, I think [Darkmoon Card: Death] has some promise.
Undeath and Chaos haven't been selling too well. Prisms sells ok (generaly you can make SOME profit on these). Nobles cards are where the money is though. They're easily selling for 1.2k each and the aces go over over 2k. Granted its the week before the fair and these are all new, but it seems like the Greatness deck is easily the best out of them all.

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Old 12/03/08, 8:36 PM   #1462
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Originally Posted by Valerian View Post
Undeath and Chaos haven't been selling too well. Prisms sells ok (generaly you can make SOME profit on these). Nobles cards are where the money is though. They're easily selling for 1.2k each and the aces go over over 2k. Granted its the week before the fair and these are all new, but it seems like the Greatness deck is easily the best out of them all.
I believe the consensus on beta was that all cards are equally likely to be produced, so people paying more for the ace seems kind of silly :p

Greatness is definitely the most desirable deck though, partly because it's got obvious big numbers and partly because there aren't really any other trinkets that replicate it. Whereas even if prisms/chaos/undeath are better than the alternatives, there's always another trinket that's 'close enough'.

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Old 12/04/08, 7:43 AM   #1463
Xequecal
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Originally Posted by Maeltne View Post
Any word on these? Any new information at all?
Honestly, there's a really good chance that some haven't been found yet. There's a lot of very good candidate mobs on wowhead for rare profession drops that have no or very sparse drop data uploaded. If the recipe is a rare drop that only drops for people of that profession, it could easily have been missed. Here's some examples of good candidates, out-of-the-way mobs that few people ever kill:

Eternal Watcher
Skeletal Archmage
Citadel Watcher
Fallen Spiderlord
Lithe Stalker
Restless Lookout
Risen Laborer
Glacial Bonelord

The Skeletal Archmages look especially promising, IMHO, as they share a lot of traits common to profession-dropping mobs. They're overpowered for their level (they cast ~2500 damage spells, but are normal 80 mobs) and there are random elites wandering that area. Being casters, they'd be a perfect mob to put something like Greater Blasting on.

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Old 12/04/08, 8:07 AM   #1464
Dustwhisper
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Originally Posted by Unity View Post
If each Eye is worth ~750g (as on Khaz'goroth) it'll take a fair bit of work to make as much from a recipe as from selling the eyes you could have bought instead of the recipe.
I bought the titanium spellshock ring gemmed of AH for 3500g just because trying to buy/find sellers for dragon's eye and the variable prices was too much of a hassle. Never underestimate peoples lazyness and wish for getting things fast and easy.


Personally I'm enchanter/tailorer though it's quite okay to earn money from tailoring (wispcloaks going from 2000-3000g with own-farmed mats that take ~1 hour to get) the only way I've found ways to earn money of enchanting is disenchanting and selling the mats. People just refuse to pay good money for enchants even with my own mats. People come and ask for enchants with my mats worth anything between 500 and 2000g and expect to get it for 100g. Same with 20slot bags, mats from AH for such a bag ran for ~300g on my server, people barely want to pay 100g for a crafted one.

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Old 12/04/08, 8:53 AM   #1465
LittleHamster
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Originally Posted by Dustwhisper View Post
I bought the titanium spellshock ring gemmed of AH for 3500g just because trying to buy/find sellers for dragon's eye and the variable prices was too much of a hassle. Never underestimate peoples lazyness and wish for getting things fast and easy.


Personally I'm enchanter/tailorer though it's quite okay to earn money from tailoring (wispcloaks going from 2000-3000g with own-farmed mats that take ~1 hour to get) the only way I've found ways to earn money of enchanting is disenchanting and selling the mats. People just refuse to pay good money for enchants even with my own mats. People come and ask for enchants with my mats worth anything between 500 and 2000g and expect to get it for 100g. Same with 20slot bags, mats from AH for such a bag ran for ~300g on my server, people barely want to pay 100g for a crafted one.
I found that people don't pay for enchants based on what mats cost, but on the value they perceive on the enchant. For example, at 3.0 after they introduced armor vellum, I sold a lot of surefooted by depleting my stash of DE epics voids. (I don't know when it happened, but they nerfed the mats needed for surefooted from primal nether to essentially 4 voids). Surefooted sold for the same price as other kara dropped enchants like sunfire and mongoose. And you'd know the difference in mats price between them if you are an enchanter.

Currently, there aren't anything rare from enchanting. (No lucky discovery, no daily-based grinding). Dream shards are 10-15g each on my server. Every enchanter can afford buying all the patterns from the vendor. It's not surprising that you can't cut a profit on it when everyone else will be using the same patterns for levelling.

Edit: You mentioned wispcloak for tailoring. It fits the rare category at the moment, since it requires the northrend dungeon master achievement. You might be one of a handful tailors who can make it, and actually bothered to put them on AH.

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Old 12/04/08, 9:42 AM   #1466
Kirth
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I am finding the same problem as above with the mass availability of the profession recipes. As an engineer my outlets for money making a quite limited, I did get to 450 fairly early and had most of the materials for a armor plated shot gun so I made one and based on the price then that materials were going for put it on the AH for 5k, and it sold. Since then I've seen people advertising to make either 450 gun pattern for tips. I put another APSG up , but it hasn't sold and when I advertise in trade I get interest but no genuine offers or responses when I quote what I consider a reasonable price. Having these patterns on the trainer plus the fact that frozen orbs prices are bottoming out looks poor for tradeskillers on making money. Jewelcrafters who grind out Kirin-Tor rep seem in a good position to make some money for a little while.

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Old 12/04/08, 11:31 AM   #1467
Chriski
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I've found mining to be quiet profitable so far provided you are able to actually farm Saronite / Titanium. Have to start at around 5am in the morning when everyones asleep though

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Old 12/04/08, 1:46 PM   #1468
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I've decided to level cooking on a few 70+ alts so I can increase my supply of Northrend spices. Has anyone figured out the minimum cooking skill level necessary to get the cooking daily? I'm fairly sure it is below 375. They're all below 100 skill currently and don't see the quest yet.

I am hopeful that increasing my supply of spices will finally make it easier to earn money through cooking because they are currently the bottleneck to making larger amounts of buff food. Buying them on the AH is currently impractical because the high price eliminates food profits.

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Old 12/04/08, 2:25 PM   #1469
Nemantopia
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Originally Posted by Sydane View Post
If there's progression in the crafting, and some future refining, then I absolutely agree with you. Even if they just add a glamour benefit to being maxxed (like the different Flying Carpets for tailoring), it would be nice. I think a lot of professions are hoping for this, as Inscription is hardly in the worst position overall in terms of usefulness. I know they have specifically said that they want people to get use out of their profession even if they aren't maxxed, which is definitely a good thing, but there should still be some point to being maxxed as well, they don't have to be mututally exclusive.

Considering the state that it hit live servers, especially the 290 to 300 gap where the inscriptions you should be leveling on require an ink you can't make yourself until 300, it just seems like overall the profession was just thrown together and not given enough attention. We've seen this before, but you would think a profession they announced well over a year before it hit live would have had some extra time spent on it in development. All of the annoyances were also discovered and reported in the Beta, and I think most of us were surprised when it hit live in that same state with virtually no improvement. I do sincerely hope they give Inscription a top to bottom review and refinement some time in the future, and I hope we see an evolution of all crafting skills throughout the expansion. However, they've given no real indication they intend to do that, and if anything seem adverse to making any of the crafting skills too desirable.
Bold mine [obviously]. I'm personally hoping for a similar tweaking that includes a further equalizing of benefits and fluff. Engineering and Tailoring are mostly cosmetic fun right now, and I'm fine with BS/JC/Enchant being top tier, it's just the tremendous gap that bugs me. For a setup that's supposed to not make any one profession [or combo thereof] too desirable, they've done a pretty sloppy job of closing the gap in benefits.




Originally Posted by evisania View Post
I've decided to level cooking on a few 70+ alts so I can increase my supply of Northrend spices. Has anyone figured out the minimum cooking skill level necessary to get the cooking daily? I'm fairly sure it is below 375. They're all below 100 skill currently and don't see the quest yet.

I am hopeful that increasing my supply of spices will finally make it easier to earn money through cooking because they are currently the bottleneck to making larger amounts of buff food. Buying them on the AH is currently impractical because the high price eliminates food profits.
The alt to alts: give guildies/friends that don't cook seriously but have cooking reasonably leveled incentive to provide you with spices. If they don't care about the recipes, but can run the daily as a side-note most days, it would be a very good supply, and I'm about to advertise this in my own guild [it helps that as a Tailor/Scribe I'm the one of the main source of free clothie goodies and glyphs], and with our eye to raiding and doing heroics as guild runs in the very-near future, producing as much buff-food for the guild bank as possible is a goal to catch anyone's eye.

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Old 12/04/08, 7:38 PM   #1470
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Originally Posted by evisania View Post
I've decided to level cooking on a few 70+ alts so I can increase my supply of Northrend spices. Has anyone figured out the minimum cooking skill level necessary to get the cooking daily? I'm fairly sure it is below 375. They're all below 100 skill currently and don't see the quest yet.
You only need 350 cooking, which is quite easy to get. My 70 hunter had 364 and could see the quest.

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