Combat Ratings at level 85 (Cataclysm) - Page 34

Hinalover · 08/09/09, 8:58 PM

Mage: 0.017

GravityDK · 08/15/09, 4:34 PM

Death Knight 0.0073
Hunter 0.0133

used r67 (by replacing the one within RatingBuster with that new Lib)

Archi86 · 08/17/09, 11:05 AM

Rogue 80: 0.0242

Edit: However got following value when completely naked: 0.0366 I used R69

Hinalover · 08/17/09, 6:35 PM

Originally Posted by Archi86

Rogue 80: 0.0242

Edit: However got following value when completely naked: 0.0366 I used R69

Yea, I got a different number on my feral druid as well.
Night Elf Female: .0208

I can try with nothing on and untalented later if needbe.

Whitetooth · 08/17/09, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Hinalover

Yea, I got a different number on my feral druid as well.
Night Elf Female: .0208

I can try with nothing on and untalented later if needbe.

I'll be interested if anyone gets different numbers and what caused it(most likely some talent or buff modifying dodge I missed), because that means something is broken and I'd like to fix it

I made some fixes to LibStatLogic, please use r69 or newer, thanks!

Hinalover · 08/18/09, 3:14 AM

Originally Posted by Whitetooth

I'll be interested if anyone gets different numbers and what caused it(most likely some talent or buff modifying dodge I missed), because that means something is broken and I'd like to fix it

I made some fixes to LibStatLogic, please use r69 or newer, thanks!

Yea it probably was a talent somewhere because I tried it on both my mage and my druid and both numbers match up.

Talented on my feral druid, I come up with .0208.

I went through each point and I think it's a combination of "Survival of the Fittest" and "Improved Mark of the Wild". Because I had 3/3 "Survival of the Fittest" set, I was at .0209 when I did 1/2 "Improved Mark of the Wild", but it switched to .0208 when I went to 2/2 "Improved Mark of the Wild". I tried it the other way around, with getting 2/2 "Improved Mark of the Wild" first and it stayed .0209 until I did 3/3 "Survival of the Fittest" (.0209 for 2/3, but .0208 for 3/3)

This is using r69 FYI

Archi86 · 08/18/09, 3:50 AM

Untalented with any gear on allways returned 0.0209 value for lvl 80 Rogue. Value started to change again when i specced onto Lightning Reflexes in combat tree.

Edit: used r69 too

Whitetooth · 08/18/09, 4:26 AM

Originally Posted by Hinalover

Yea it probably was a talent somewhere because I tried it on both my mage and my druid and both numbers match up.

Talented on my feral druid, I come up with .0208.

I went through each point and I think it's a combination of "Survival of the Fittest" and "Improved Mark of the Wild". Because I had 3/3 "Survival of the Fittest" set, I was at .0209 when I did 1/2 "Improved Mark of the Wild", but it switched to .0208 when I went to 2/2 "Improved Mark of the Wild". I tried it the other way around, with getting 2/2 "Improved Mark of the Wild" first and it stayed .0209 until I did 3/3 "Survival of the Fittest" (.0209 for 2/3, but .0208 for 3/3)

This is using r69 FYI

Originally Posted by Archi86

Untalented with any gear on allways returned 0.0209 value for lvl 80 Rogue. Value started to change again when i specced onto Lightning Reflexes in combat tree.

Edit: used r69 too

Thank you, I now have an idea of how to fix this, gonna test on PTR.

Whitetooth · 08/26/09, 5:17 AM

First post updated with 3.2.0 dodge/agi stats. And the talent calculation problem for dodge/agi has been fixed in LibStatLogic r73

Hinalover · 08/26/09, 12:20 PM

using r73, untalented, no gear, it's working fine. Even Talented, with no gear it works. Just as an FYI, it looks like if a Feral Druid is specced, once we get a certain amount of gear on, it lowers the conversion. I cannot be certain but it looks like once Feral Druids get somewhere between 81 and 122 passive Dodge that the conversion drops. Because I had my T8.5 helm, chest, T8 Shoulders, [Shard of the Crystal Forest], and [Cloak of the Shadowed Sun] just on, no extra buffs were on.

Strength: 208
Agility: 435
Stam: 844
Defense: 417 (increase chance to dodge: .68%)
dodge: 81 (Dodge: 16.66% in caster)

Here I'm still running at .0209. When I add [Gatekeeper], it drops it down to .0208

Strength: 255
Agility: 435
Stam: 935
Defense: 417 (increase chance to dodge: .68%)
dodge: 122 (Dodge: 17.45% in caster)

I can check if this happens untalented but with gear, but I think that would keep the dump at .0209, even with just these 5 items. I'm not sure is Feral Swiftness and Natural Reaction are affecting it; though I don't think so given that they only add dodge in bear form and I do all my testing in caster form.

I can also check if enough agility -> dodge causes this problem as well, since I have a very good Kitty set going.

Edit:

Ok, I don't know what is causing it. I just tried with ONLY my [Shard of the Crystal Forest], my [Cloak of the Shadowed Sun] with [Scroll of Enchant Cloak - Major Agility], and my [Gatekeeper], it stays at .0209. However when I add in the [Mark of the Relentless], it changes to .0208

Edit2:

Ok, untalented, with the 4 items listed above: .0209
untalented with all tanking gear: .0209

Edit3:

It looks like it's the "Improved Mark and "Survival of the fittest" talents again. Went through both ways again and the number came up with JUST the 4 items I listed.

Stats with JUST the 4 items listed; Talented:

NE Druid

Strength: 296
Agility: 117
Stamina: 522
Armor: 1187
Defense Rating: 66
Increased Chance to Dodge: .52%
Dodge Rating: 152 (adds 3.36%)
Dodge %: 11.89%

Armadeus · 08/26/09, 2:08 PM

Do we know how diminishing returns works with block value for shield slam yet? I did some calculations assuming that diminishing returns starts at 2400 BV (not including BV from strength) and assuming that the cap is 2760 (which I don't think it right). The math makes no sense. When diminishing returns starts at 2400 BV your effective BV would go to 1300. I think there must be some other value used for the BV cap, but I have not seen any theorycrafting on it yet.

I would do the work myself but I don't have a set of gear with 2400 BV.

Gruntle · 08/27/09, 3:58 AM

It's the damage contribution to Shield slam that is capped to 2760 (at least that is what the patch notes say). Block Value diminish in value after 2400 (for SS damage), but as you say we don't know at all at what point it becomes useless (that is, at what on-gear BV the resulting damage contribution becomes 2760).

• Aldriana · 08/31/09, 7:59 PM

Summary: Current PTR testing shows a nerf to ArPen - the 25% buff appears to have been scaled back to 10%.

Details: With 498 ArPen, live tooltip shows 40.43% reduction, while PTR shows only 35.58%; note that 35.58% is consistant with 498 * 1.1 / 15.39529991 = .35582288. In terms of testing, gouging the combat dummy with 3415 AP (base damage: 718.15) yields damage of 479-480 with no debuffs and 522-523 with sunder; using the (live) 40.43% number gives expected damages of 488.62 and 532.42, while using the PTR 35.58% number gives 479.65 and 522.65.

Thus: the actual damage done matches the tooltip, which is consistant with the 25% ArPen buff being cut to 10%.

Whitetooth · 09/01/09, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Aldriana

Summary: Current PTR testing shows a nerf to ArPen - the 25% buff appears to have been scaled back to 10%.

Details: With 498 ArPen, live tooltip shows 40.43% reduction, while PTR shows only 35.58%; note that 35.58% is consistant with 498 * 1.1 / 15.39529991 = .35582288. In terms of testing, gouging the combat dummy with 3415 AP (base damage: 718.15) yields damage of 479-480 with no debuffs and 522-523 with sunder; using the (live) 40.43% number gives expected damages of 488.62 and 532.42, while using the PTR 35.58% number gives 479.65 and 522.65.

Thus: the actual damage done matches the tooltip, which is consistant with the 25% ArPen buff being cut to 10%.

I can confirm this change on PTR. LibStatLogic-1.1 r75 updated accordingly(with version detection).

Rating	Level 60	Level 70	Level 80
Armor Penetration(3.2.0)	3.756097412	5.92307663	12.31623993
Armor Penetration(3.2.2)	4.268292514	6.730768897	13.99572719

ildon · 09/01/09, 5:06 AM

ArP change may be a bug. This post is relevant.

Edit: Oops you posted in that thread!