I apologize for posting this as a thread for such a obscure topic, however "ID" is too short to search for on this board (only 2 characters) and "raid" brings EVERYTHING, so I had no idea how to look this up!

I was curious what people have paid for raid ID's for both BT and Hyjal.

If you aren't aware, this means that another guild clears the earlier bosses, and you pay them a agreed upon payment (gold, HoD's, etc) and you gain their instance ID by zoning in with them as the raid leader. This gives your guild the ability to clear the later bosses without wasting time on the earlier ones.

Somebody offered us 6500g for a Archimonde raid ID but that seems excessive, since we can clear the first 4 bosses quickly in Hyjal. However I really don't know what's a "good" price for this!

I cant imagine Hyjal worth buying. If you're in the position that you dont need loot from the bosses, you'd be better off clearing the whole thing and selling the T6 from Azgalor/Archimonde, making ~10k gold, and finishing the whole thing in under 2 hours.

BT however sounds great, especially if you're progressing in Sunwell and dont want to waste time in BT, yet you still want Glaives or Council/Illidan upgrades. However, the stairs would need to align for a guild to be at the right spot in progression (wiping to mother/souls), and willing to not raid on the last night of the week.

Sell a bear for 10k every 3 days with your raiders that have excess time on their hands, and that could easily pay for a greedy overpriced guild selling a BT ID. I dont have any experience on prices though, never done the sell/buy thing.

The truth is, its worth whatever you're willing to pay for it.

And honestly, that's that. It doesn't take an entire thread to discuss that.

How much do you value Archimonde loot? and Azgalor loot?

But, even so... on my server, T6 easily sells for 4-6k per. /shrug, Archimonde drops 3? Azgalor drops 3? (oh and other guilds sell Archimonde for 6k).

Our guild has taken over a few Raid IDs in the past,
Lady vashj, and Kael, which at the time were most logic since we got some new recruits that needed to be attuned, but the guild was already heavily working on Hyjal.

So, near the end of the week we'd ask / arrange with another guild to take over their cleared instance. In exchange we'd take 2-3 of their members and promise them certain bits of the boss loot. T5 head tokens for example. Since we were working on T6 content ourselves this was a pretty fair deal. They got to see the boss tactics, have a good chance at loot, and we'd get some trialists attuned.
I'm sure the same could be done with Illidan / Archimonde if you have some guilds on your server that are struggling with them.

Actually paying for loot though, we've never done that.
We just use the items for offspec.

I remember that we paid 1k Gold for a Vashj and KT id a few months ago when the attunements were necessary simply because it cost to much time to clear both instances only to attune some new members.
We have just 3 raiding days each scheduled for 4hours.

Later on we were happy to gain some IDs at now cost because of friendly relationships but right now in sunwell progress I would clearly pay again 1k gold or even more for a BT id from Mother upwards. MH isn't necessary imo.

Unfortunately on our realm all raids that are at a matching progress state are raiding on tuesday and our last traiding day is on monday

But if you still need some items out of bt and have the possibility to save time to use it for progress, why not? Gold is nothing to matter for a raidbank imo.

We do not raid tuesdays, and if I recall correctly we sold one instance with Illidan was still alive back before we killed him the first time.

We got paid in something far more important than pure gold. Our regular raidleader got a spot in the raid, and lots of live advice from the 5/6 sunwell guild that bought it. Next reset we killed Illidan ourselves.

We have been buying Black Temples from "whatever the current 4/9 guild is at the time" whenever we can. Usually we make a deal for the remainder of the instance for 10-20x [Heart of Darkness] since they largely have no value to us anymore. We've also bartered deals to run their raid leaders through so that they can learn the strats quickly.

For some odd reason, we tend to have really good luck with glaives in purchased instances too.

We have sold a few de-status T6 tokens (head/pants/shoulder) for 5000g each. Last I heard, there are lots of eager people willing to fork out the money in future once word got out. However, we dont do BT often enough these days anyway so it was more just a fun once-off thing for the bank.

We've always found it easier to just bring people along from said guild to loot everything we don't need (which is often 95% of drops). Most people are more than happy to give an instance for free in that case. One time we got Mother-> Illidan from a guild, their MT came along and got 3 piece T6 and an Illidan Hat. Seems better for everyone in that case as the people giving the instance benefit directly from it in terms of upgrades for their next week of progression.

Atm, my guild does "micro raid" PUGs on off days. On Friday, we have a 2 hr raid to kill Najentus -> Gorefiend. Our mains are allowed to call a max of 1 item per run and we'd usually have 5-6 mains, 7-8 alts and the rest will be randoms. I tend to prefer the alts of people in other Sunwell guilds, but there's also some non-raiding BT guilds whose members are bored. It's nice and relaxed and doesn't consume the evening.

We roll for items, and it mostly goes fine - but it can be painful. Saturday is Hyjal (Winterchill -> Azgalor, Archimonde too if it's a good raid). Sunday afternoon is Bloodboil -> Shahraz. This is all done out of raid time and leaves us with Archimonde, Illidari Council and Illidan. The gems/HoDs/Marks are useful too.

Some tips:

1. Never underestimate Azgalor. Get a real tank for him or don't do him.
2. Shadow Res is needed for Shahraz. We don't let people roll for shoulders unless they have it.
3. Set some minimum standards (i.e. priests @ 1900 healing, rogues @ 1800 AP, warriors @ 18k HP, etc.)
4. If someone craters at Archimonde, remove them.
5. Shout a lot.

We would buy BT instances for 2000g + any HODs that would drop off trash. We would offer the guild a single raid spot for any player. If the person picked up 1 loot, the cost of the instance was 1000g and if they picked up two or more the instance was free. I think it's a fair deal--we were never turned down.

When ZZQ was progressing, we sold our BTs to EJ, for the 'fee' of taking a couple core raiders to pick up unused loot. Worked out pretty well for everyone involved. Now that we're working our way further into sunwell, we're buying instances just like we sold them. Some guilds want a few HoDs, others want what we wanted, extra loot off the bosses we couldn't kill.

That's the upside to mal'ganis... a million progressing guilds.

This was basically the same deal my guild worked out (as the side selling the instance ID). As we were working on Council and finally Illidan, at the end of the week a Sunwell guild would buy our ID for whatever was still alive. In return they'd let us send 3 or 4 people along to sponge up the T6 tokens, as well as letting us see the fights first hand. The deal was short lived, since we killed Illidan ourselves something like 3 weeks after we started selling. But I'd highly recommend this arrangement if you can work it out, it was very beneficial for both parties.

Edit: We did also buy I think two Vashj ID's back before attunements went away, too. The raid leaders got creative and gave the selling guild a couple Belts of Blasting in return, since we'd crafted all we need and apparently the seller hadn't seen even one pattern drop.

Really, this is all going to vary wildly from server to server and even guild to guild.

we recently starting "buying" 4/5, 4/9, instances so we can get the important bosses in just 1 sub 4 hour raid day. We pay them by bringing their players in for the rest of the instance and gearing them out in everything but the gear we need. One or two of their players join us each time. I think its a great tradeoff and in the end is more beneficial to their progression than 5k gold would be.

This almost entirely depends on your server and how you negotiate with other guilds. It feels equivalent to 'How much should I price Terocone at???'. I'll give it an hour to present something new and exciting before I close this.