Ok, so we've gone a little off the course of the threads topic(s) in the last few pages badly.

Just to sum up, there are only 4 true evil races in the game:
Old Gods
Elemental Lords
Dread Lords (Nathrezim)
Pit Lords (Annihilan)

Of only those 4 races, they have caused the corruption and twisting of all other evil key note characters of Azeroth and beyond. And not everyone we kill is evil, they have just gone power hungry and need to be dealt with, Malygos and Kael'Thas are the prime examples.

I actually like the approach of someone thinking that he has to do/achieve/defend something and by doing so starts to do things that he sees as necessary. This is usually, mainly self defence, the basis in which cruelty, war crimes and similar things develop. Most people we consider as evil-doers have the strong belief that they have to do these crimes in order to prevent something worse. Of course by that definition the Ebon Hand are bad guys as well.

From the books you can read in the Ebon Hold before you defect, you can see Arthas as something of a nihilist and the Scourge as a virus that inevitably converts everything. We'll see if he still has more human motives like power and conquest in 3.3 I guess!

It's all about the Healing Shiv.

I hope they really play the nihilist angle. I've always liked characters more when they exhibit super-(or sub-)human motivations for their actions, that are absolutely driven by some singular force or aspect of their personality instead of us as normal people being driven by a multitude of concerns. Like Bardem's character in "No Country for Old Men" who was completely amoral but still absolutely principled. Having such one dimensional characters might seems like it would make for a poor story but if used as a foil it can lead to some real growth for the other characters in the story (including us as players).

It helps if you read the own links you post.

Keep reading. You missed the last third of the entry; specifically, the write-up that Plankel was referring to about the elemental lords not being inherently evil, with the big headline, "Nature of the elements and the perception of evil".

Yea, what again? You guys try and state certain things from that site, but totally miss the big warning label saying that shit isn't confirmed.

Edit: Just to be clear, when you see big warning labels like that again, and they are almost on all other pages too, that is what this thread is trying to deal with. We are trying to get at some speculation of what events have happened, and what events are to come. But when there is a collection of Warcraft material stating certain things, and nothing else is ever said about it, then we have to presume that is what it is. Just because someone is friendly towards one person or a group, doesn't mean they aren't against everyone else.

In the case of the Elemental Lords, they are at war with each other, and have been at war for a long time. They want total control over everything.

BlizzCast Episode 7

Interview up with our God Met, err I mean our lore guy Christ Metze, ack, CHRIS Metzen.

Fun one:

I immediately thought of Garona's son.

Well I can't find this right now, or I've just over looked it, but somewhere it's said that Azeroth doesn't need a Guardian anymore. Arg, I just with I could find it!

But if what Metzen says comes to light, and another Guardian is chosen, who shall it be? Because well, the Council of Tirisfal is no more. But then again, Midivh is 'alive' and so is Aegwynn. So whatever happens there is going to be interesting.

The cinematic at the end of WCIII.


I like the idea of a nonhuman guardian. Reminds me of The Last Guardian. Medivh claims he shouldn't get involved in the war, that if the orcs win and supplant humanity they too will need a Guardian.