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Old 01/30/09, 4:16 PM   #1741
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With his comments towards the Order of Tirisfal, Aegwyn having some minor roles in some recent developments, showing us both Archimonde and Kil'jaeden and further fueled with the speculations and hints towards Sargeras (and the fact that she defeated his avatar once already and it was in Northrend), I think we might see more of her in the near future. Any thoughts on this?

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Old 01/30/09, 5:21 PM   #1742
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My guess is that Act II of WotLK will end with the return of Mal'Ganis / Tichondrius / etc. somehow. I can't think of anything else except for possibly the death of Yogg-Saron, which is kind of a side-point.

I also agree that the most interesting point was about the dragonflights... pretty much confirms that Nozdormu didn't disappear on his own accord.

I doubt Azshara is behind any of the Dragonflights' troubles. Main reason being that there's a ton of content related to her that can be implemented, there's no need to have her behind additional goings-on really. On the other hand, Old Gods provide a nice deus ex machina to corrupt pretty much anyone and everything, and having lots of Old God-related plots will be necessary for the Emerald Dream expansion.

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Old 01/30/09, 6:16 PM   #1743
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I just want to know one thing... Where are the Naaru?

It bothers me there isn't a single Naaru in Northrend.

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Old 01/30/09, 6:24 PM   #1744
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Act 2 might be Arthas or one of his agents (Bronzebeard defecting!?) stealing some awesome Titan relic that he intends to use to destroy/enslave us all after we clear Ulduar. Of course with YS in the background templing his fingers saying "good... good..."

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Old 01/30/09, 6:28 PM   #1745
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From earlier in the thread:

The only red dragons which are hostile are those around Grim Batol. In Night of the Dragon, it states that the red flight guarding the area eventually abandoned it because of the effects of the evil/corruption in the mountain.
They aren't exactly malevolent but perhaps saving us from ourselves or unleashing something worse.

I'm very interested to see how the story of Deathwing and his Twilight Drakes plays out. Obviously we have already at least impeded on his activities by defeating Sartharion and destroying the drakes in the Obsidian Sanctum, but as per NotD he could have many more eggs under Grim Batol.

The Twilight Drakes see themselves as being the new breed of "perfect" Dragons, it's not surprising they view Sartharion with contempt.

We're currently torn between a Uldum or Grim Batol divide for the "new, often requested instance" coming up

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Old 01/30/09, 7:09 PM   #1746
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Originally Posted by Cobs View Post
Act 2 might be Arthas or one of his agents (Bronzebeard defecting!?) stealing some awesome Titan relic that he intends to use to destroy/enslave us all after we clear Ulduar. Of course with YS in the background templing his fingers saying "good... good..."

I believe that if Blizzard out of thin air decided to corrupt one of the Bronzebeard brothers, there'd be a proper lore-wobbler being thrown around various forums. I very much doubt they'd do that.

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Old 01/30/09, 8:17 PM   #1747
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Originally Posted by Starfire View Post
I just want to know one thing... Where are the Naaru?

It bothers me there isn't a single Naaru in Northrend.
Technically A'dal, K'uri, and M'ori have a presence in Northrend.

My guess would be the naaru are more focused on the the threat of the Burning Legion. The Scourge, while a creation of the Burning Legion, is no longer affiliated with them. You'd think the naaru would take an interest in the enemies of powerful allies, especially considering that the Scourge invasion plague crates reached Shattrath City. Plus, the Alliance Scourge Invasion quest was to deliver a [Light-infused Artifact] to the faction leaders, which is a holy artifact created with the help of the naaru.

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Old 01/30/09, 9:07 PM   #1748
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Hate to pull in Stargate Analogies again but the Asgard were unable to lend a great deal of help to earth during its struggles due to fighting an even more terrifying war that humanity had no real knowledge about against the replicators.

It's quite possible that there are hundreds of Naaru warships invested on battlefronts against the Legion and they're on the brink of internal collapse and the few naaru we see now are all that they can really spare at the moment to hopefully free up some allies from their(the allies) own turmoil in order to help the Naaru with the legion a bit.

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Old 01/31/09, 5:05 AM   #1749
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Originally Posted by Tauftamir View Post
We're currently torn between a Uldum or Grim Batol divide for the "new, often requested instance" coming up
Just do both ;-)

Uldum would be a nice fit to go with Ulduar together though.

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Old 01/31/09, 3:37 PM   #1750
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Originally Posted by Tauftamir View Post
From earlier in the thread:

The only red dragons which are hostile are those around Grim Batol. In Night of the Dragon, it states that the red flight guarding the area eventually abandoned it because of the effects of the evil/corruption in the mountain.
They aren't exactly malevolent but perhaps saving us from ourselves or unleashing something worse.

I'm very interested to see how the story of Deathwing and his Twilight Drakes plays out. Obviously we have already at least impeded on his activities by defeating Sartharion and destroying the drakes in the Obsidian Sanctum, but as per NotD he could have many more eggs under Grim Batol.

The Twilight Drakes see themselves as being the new breed of "perfect" Dragons, it's not surprising they view Sartharion with contempt.

We're currently torn between a Uldum or Grim Batol divide for the "new, often requested instance" coming up
Perhaps it has been this way since pre-tbc, but last time I checked Grim Batol last week, the red dragonspawn casters were definitely shooting shadowbolts at me. Assuming this is intended, it definitely opens up a lot of optons.

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Old 01/31/09, 7:31 PM   #1751
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Originally Posted by Spink View Post
Hate to pull in Stargate Analogies again but the Asgard were unable to lend a great deal of help to earth during its struggles due to fighting an even more terrifying war that humanity had no real knowledge about against the replicators.

It's quite possible that there are hundreds of Naaru warships invested on battlefronts against the Legion and they're on the brink of internal collapse and the few naaru we see now are all that they can really spare at the moment to hopefully free up some allies from their(the allies) own turmoil in order to help the Naaru with the legion a bit.
This.

It also would work with the Titans should they decide to send a small party instead of the entire pantheon. It would aslo account for any "rash" decisions that could lead to a hostile act ot the mortal races.

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Old 02/01/09, 1:25 AM   #1752
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Originally Posted by Duilliath View Post
Just do both ;-)

Uldum would be a nice fit to go with Ulduar together though.
If Blizzard really wants to follow through with adding a 5 man to go along with each raid zone (see: Quel'Danas), Uldum would be a natural choice, as I don't think there's really anywhere else to put 5 man instances near Ulduar, and unless there's something in the middle of the Maelstrom we don't know about, they won't get a better chance to tie Uldum into anything.

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Old 02/01/09, 2:25 AM   #1753
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Originally Posted by david0925 View Post
Perhaps it has been this way since pre-tbc, but last time I checked Grim Batol last week, the red dragonspawn casters were definitely shooting shadowbolts at me. Assuming this is intended, it definitely opens up a lot of optons.
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The Dwarves were the first to feel the darkness that permeated it, and so they left immediately following the orcs' defeat. Alexstraza and he had decided then that it was the duty of the red flight to seal off Grim Batol again. This despite the irony of the fact that, having already guarded it since the ancient Battle of Mount Hyjal, the red dragon's presence had made it so simple for the orcs' arriving there to enslave them with the Demon Soul.

And so, despite some misgivings on Krasus's part, crimson behemoths had once again stood sentry around the vicinity, making certain that no one wondered in, either by accident or thinking to make use of that evil.

But then, only recently, the sentries had sickened for no reason at all, and some even died. A few had gone so very mad that there had been no choice but to put them down for fear of the devastation they might cause. The red flight had finally done as all others had, abandoning Grim Batol itself.

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Old 02/01/09, 7:32 AM   #1754
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Originally Posted by Incoherence View Post
If Blizzard really wants to follow through with adding a 5 man to go along with each raid zone (see: Quel'Danas), Uldum would be a natural choice, as I don't think there's really anywhere else to put 5 man instances near Ulduar, and unless there's something in the middle of the Maelstrom we don't know about, they won't get a better chance to tie Uldum into anything.
There won't be a new 5-man in 3.1. :<

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Old 02/01/09, 3:19 PM   #1755
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I dislike the "long forgotten"part of the vordrassil lore, it just does not make sense.
Vordrassil must have been planted after Nordrassil for several reasons (for example, it was planted by druids, which did not exist before Malfurion stormrage). However, during the sundering Tyrande and Shandris Feathermoon were already around. Surely they would know about something as monumental as growing a new world tree? Why dont we ask her why they made it? If they don't know we can ask Ysera, Alexstraza or keeper Remulus, any of those should have some knowledge of why on earth the elves would want to make a second world tree?

Guess blizzard couldn't think of a reason either so we end up with "long forgotten"
I realize the post I quoted is from a month ago, but I just realized something relevant to this. Besides Vordrassil there is also Shandaral in Crystalsong Forest. And of course the entire forest is littered with Night-elven architecture. So there clearly is/was some ancient Night-Elf or Kaldorei presence in Northrend.

Granted it could be all the Kaldorei that were here were wiped out in the same blast that destroyed the Blue too. (I say could be, because it's really unknown if the Kaldorei were here before, after or "during" the event).

It could be Vordrassil was planted before the Sundering.

On a side note, has anyone deciphered what "Vord" means? "Rassil" = Crown, becuase "Nord" = Heavens and "Teld" = Earth.

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Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.

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