World of Warcraft - Lore & Storyline discussion [SPOILERS] - Page 118

4LV · 02/01/09, 6:11 PM

Originally Posted by Starfire

I realize the post I quoted is from a month ago, but I just realized something relevant to this. Besides Vordrassil there is also Shandaral in Crystalsong Forest. And of coruse the entire forest is littered with Night-elven architecture. So there clearly is/was some ancient Night-Elf or Kaldorei presence in Northrend.

Granted it could be all the Kaldorei that were here were wiped out in the same blast that destroyed the Blue too. (I say could be, because it's really unknown if the Kaldorei were here before, after or "during" the event).

It could be Vordrassil was planted before the Sundering.

On a side note, has anyone deciphered what "Vord" means? "Rassil" = Crown, becuase "Nord" = Heavens and "Teld" = Earth.

gardvord [garvor] -en, -er nisse som mentes å ha tilhold på en gård og verne om den
Etym.:2. ledd gammelnorsk. vǫrðr vokter

Translation from Norwegian;

Farmvord. A small type of elf that was said to live on a farm, protecting it.

Etymology.:2. part old norwegian. vǫrðr guardian. (incidently closely related to "ward", that we find in contemporary English)

vord(r) would (or could) then be old norse for "guardian", which would mean that vordrassil was "guardians' crown". Could that mean the "guardians" as in the Dragon Aspects/flights?

edit; I forgot to include. The second quotation is from a Norwegian dictionary (obviously)

Emeraude · 02/02/09, 11:03 PM

It occurs to me that Garona looks rather youthful/cute for an Orc that's supposed to be pushing her mid-40s and has given birth to a kid(Assuming she was at the very least 16 at the time of the first war).

Eishara · 02/02/09, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Emeraude

It occurs to me that Garona looks rather youthful/cute for an Orc that's supposed to be pushing her mid-40s and has given birth to a kid(Assuming she was at the very least 16 at the time of the first war).

Presumably she gets her longevity from her half-draenei side, Draenei being very long lived apparently.

Spink · 02/03/09, 4:52 AM

There was speculation on the scrollsoflore thread that previous depictions of her (by the same artist) had different colored eyes and looked older but it was debatable because the image was lower quality, like a small part of an action scene and would have lower attention to detail. There's also speculation that the eye color change might be hinting towards death knight/reanimation/magic since there were hints towards her now working with the scourge or old gods.

Emeraude · 02/03/09, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Spink

There was speculation on the scrollsoflore thread that previous depictions of her (by the same artist) had different colored eyes and looked older but it was debatable because the image was lower quality, like a small part of an action scene and would have lower attention to detail. There's also speculation that the eye color change might be hinting towards death knight/reanimation/magic since there were hints towards her now working with the scourge or old gods.

Her eyes are the same color as her son's in the comic which I took for their Dreanei side, and the speculation should point towards the legion, as in the issue you actually hear demonic tongue before she disappears again.

Fordel · 02/03/09, 5:20 PM

It's also possible the character just fell into the comic book cliche of every female that isn't an ancient hag, must in turn be a super model.

Do we know the average age span for a normal Orc to begin with? The WoWWiki page doesn't seem to be terribly clear on that matter.

Leguaran · 02/03/09, 5:54 PM

Originally Posted by Fordel

It's also possible the character just fell into the comic book cliche of every female that isn't an ancient hag, must in turn be a super model.

Do we know the average age span for a normal Orc to begin with? The WoWWiki page doesn't seem to be terribly clear on that matter.

Right, but Draenei have a really, really long lifespan, so her being part Draenei can easily explain why she might be 60 years old, and look like an 18 year old (however old she looks)

Vaccine · 02/04/09, 4:26 AM

Originally Posted by Faldrath

About Hakkar, I'm not sure. I think we're mostly considering him to be small fish because of what I like to call the "Zalazane Syndrome" (i.e. "he's only level 10, how can he be powerful?"). We fought Hakkar in one of the easiest instances in the game a long time ago, but all the build-up leading to him does try to present him as a threat to the whole world - while he might not be an old god himself, it's not too far-fetched to picture him being related to them in some way. And he still, still, still has the best line in all of WoW's bosses - which, incidentally, is directly related to the themes we're discussing here:

I agree with this entirely. People are downplaying Hakkar because he is a level 60 20 man boss that can be solo'd now. If you look at the first time he entered the world he was close to wiping out the troll empire (largest empire ever on Azeroth) and it took their combined might to seal him away. The trolls were ancient enemies of the Aqir too, if Hakkar is either an Old God, or more likely an agent/spawn of one then it makes sense for him to split the Troll empire with massive sacrifices and a growing demand for blood causing a civil war.

He also has a ton of connections with the Emerald Dream via the Sunken temple and the greens there that guard it. I really don't think it is a huge leap in the slightest. Eranikus speaks of serving his God several times, after spending so much time in the Sunken Temple with Hakkar it isn't a stretch that he is what corrupted him. As for being a small time player, he warrented the personal attention of Ysera and the green dragonflight, bearing in mind lore says Ysera rarely leaves the Emerald Dream, to come and smash up his temple in SoS and then guard him for thousands of years.

Also who says an Old God has to be universaly big/blob shaped? The thing in Darkshore certainly looks different, and anyone familiar with the C'thulu lore would know that they are pretty chaotic things. Also don't forget that one of the names for Hakkar is The Faceless One, indicating a possibly connection to the Faceless Ones in Northrend, and YS, though to be honest I think this is more likely a slip of the writers, just like Hakkar was accidentally called the same name as a demon from a previous book.

4LV · 02/04/09, 7:46 AM

Forgive me if I'm entering that particular discussion too late, but the Garona discussion people might find this interesting. I cannot think of anyone else it could be.

WoW -> Downloads -> Wallpapers

Periad · 02/04/09, 9:06 AM

Originally Posted by 4LV

Forgive me if I'm entering that particular discussion too late, but the Garona discussion people might find this interesting. I cannot think of anyone else it could be.

WoW -> Downloads -> Wallpapers

Indeed, the release of the wallpaper certainly does seem to tie in a bit too conveniently with the recent comic.

Certainly from that picture you can see the draenic side becoming more apparent. From looking at the change of hue in certain areas of her skin it's almost suggesting she's done a Robert Downey Jr and "greened" up for her infiltration of the horde all this time. Perhaps she's been a draenic spy since before the invasion, when Kil'jaeden corrupted the orcs and set them against the settled Draenei. You have to wonder if she's been lying about being a half breed the entire time.

Not sure how this would fit into all the portrayals of her looking exactly like an orc mind you...

It would be quite apt for her to be giving birth to a child fathered by a human, especially if the child is indeed bestowed with the powers of Tirisfal. It would certainly make it much more difficult for the respective races to continue their current aggressive paths. The ingrained hate between Orc and Draenei would certainly be stretched, considering the mother of the guardian is half of each, again assuming Garona herself has any Orcish blood, and of course the current conflict between Garrosh and Wrynn.

Emeraude · 02/04/09, 10:07 AM

And who's Garona's baby's daddy? What if it was King Llane Wrynn, and Varian has a half Orc brother. O_o

And next week on Day's of our Lives....

Vaccine · 02/04/09, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Emeraude

And who's Garona's baby's daddy? What if it was King Llane Wrynn, and Varian has a half Orc brother. O_o

And next week on Day's of our Lives....

Weren't they saying at Blizzcon that they were pushing Garona to become Thrall's missus?

4LV · 02/04/09, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Vaccine

Weren't they saying at Blizzcon that they were pushing Garona to become Thrall's missus?

Could we have a source or quote on that? Because in this topic the suggestion has (several times) been that Thrall and Jaina go along a bit too well. Though that could only be because Thrall sees Jaina as the spiritual successor to Tabetha.

Faldrath · 02/04/09, 12:11 PM

I'm not sure if Garona's pregnancy/child and related issues would ever be developed in WoW itself, though, given how much of an asexual and childless game WoW is (this is not a complaint about Blizz, just an observation - they have their reasons, anyway).

Enova · 02/04/09, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Emeraude

And who's Garona's baby's daddy? What if it was King Llane Wrynn, and Varian has a half Orc brother. O_o

And next week on Day's of our Lives....

That would only be a quarter orc. But I'm a bit unconvinced that could have happened. I mean, that would most likely be reason enough for Garona not to have killed the king, right?