We should see that happen then in either the third or final issue of the comic series then. Pretty easy to actually lay out how each issue will progress.
Issue 1
Finding of the crystal, forging of the Ashbringer, fall of Loderon. (A lot of the stuf that happened in WC III ad the Expansion are all mentioned and are happening in the background, it's a pretty packed issue.)
Issue 2
Betrayal of Renault, death of Alexandros, rise of the Scarlet Crusade. Likely ends with Alexandros' forced conscription into the Scourge.
Issue 3
Assault on Naxx, Darion getting the Ashbringer.
Issue 4
Darion confronting Renault, and then the above occurring, though that seems like a real downer to end the series, it's only four issues. It may include the entire event by Lighthope, only from Darion's point of view, which would mean some of the above would occur in issue 3. Good chance WotLK would be out by this time too, so it wouldn't be that huge of a game spoiler.
Damn, they are killing the younger Saurfang. That makes me sad.
It will be interesting to see how they end up with Saurfang vs Hellscream towards the end of the WoTLK. My guess is in the end they will come together for the Horde.
The Horde storyline is shaping up to be pretty good. Although at this point I am dissapointed that Arthas hasn't relaized that the new Sunwell is here, to me it seems like something he would be interested in too.
Well, would it really be that useful to Arthas at this point? From what I gather, if M'uru was cleansed in the power of the Sunwell, it might be more a beacon of light and holy power than anything else at this point. If this is the case, it would be hard for Arthas to use that power methinks.
Originally Posted by Caniki
Hey guys, I heard that Blizzard puts out these things called "patches" that contain "content"
Well, would it really be that useful to Arthas at this point? From what I gather, if M'uru was cleansed in the power of the Sunwell, it might be more a beacon of light and holy power than anything else at this point. If this is the case, it would be hard for Arthas to use that power methinks.
Probally right. Also, remember that there is now a huge population of Paladins watching over the island. It is likely just not worth the time and energy for him to go after it. Why should he when he can now go after the Alliance and Horde who are a bit streached thin after the invasion of Outland and the events on the island?
The following spell was added in the last beta push Creature - Yogg-Saron Whisper - Thottbot: World of Warcraft so it does look like there will be more lore related to Yogg-Saron, maybe even having him as a boss considering C'thun also whispered players.
My understanding has been that Yogg-Saron is planned as a post-Naxx raid boss. Did someone post a link to YouTube - The Whispers of Yogg-Saron earlier in this thread? Or did I see it somewhere else. I finally got into beta this week and started questing in HF just so I could hear them.
Well, would it really be that useful to Arthas at this point? From what I gather, if M'uru was cleansed in the power of the Sunwell, it might be more a beacon of light and holy power than anything else at this point. If this is the case, it would be hard for Arthas to use that power methinks.
Not only M'uru is there, but also K'iru. (M'uru is also a good source for that new phasing quests...)
By the way, Scourge forces still attacking the island. It appears Quel'danas is still too far south for Arthas' power, since only the low level Scourge attacks Quel'Danas.
Oh my, ummm are there any other details about this? Where the questline is? Storm Peaks? Ice Crown? Do we have to kill him? >_> <_<(Say no please >_<)
Edit: Did some digging.
The Frostborn are a faction of a newly discovered dwarf, the frost dwarves. This mysterious race of dwarves make their home in the Storm Peaks. They've recently befriended members of the Explorers' League and welcome Alliance members within their settlements.
They are lead by Yorg Stormheart, King of the Frostborn, their main base is Frosthold, located in the Storm Peaks.
Looks like they're the friendly types. *Breathes sigh of relief*
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Oh my, ummm are there any other details about this? Where the questline is? Storm Peaks? Ice Crown? Do we have to kill him? >_> <_<(Say no please >_<)
Right now the questline is bugged due to a chest being a 12k hp friendly mob with no way to interact with it instead of a lootable item. On Wowhead, the last quest in the line is titled 'The Brothers Bronzebeard' so I take it Muradin and Brann meet up in Frosthold, but alas I'll have to wait to see this one.
It's interesting that the Dalaran coins show that they haven't forgotten Salandria, the Children Week's orphan and undoubtedly a future raid boss. Here's to hope, at least.
Right now the questline is bugged due to a chest being a 12k hp friendly mob with no way to interact with it instead of a lootable item. On Wowhead, the last quest in the line is titled 'The Brothers Bronzebeard' so I take it Muradin and Brann meet up in Frosthold, but alas I'll have to wait to see this one.
It would be nice if Magni showed up there as well, all 3 of those brothers haven't seen each other in years, and Magni has had it pretty rough the past few years with his daughter, the Dark Irons, and what he thought was his brother's death.
Originally Posted by Liebestod
It's interesting that the Dalaran coins show that they haven't forgotten Salandria, the Children Week's orphan and undoubtedly a future raid boss. Here's to hope, at least.
From what I gathered from that little questline was that they may or may not become a great evil, or a great hero. Let's not turn these little girls, Salandria/Dornaa into a villains just yet! *shakes fist*
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Hopefully i am not the only one thinking of the time is getting closer to let new heroes raise and march on each with his/her own different and unique story. That will make the storyline more interactive game-wise, by watching each moment of a kid growing up and becoming such an important being in the world, giving the players the feeling of epicness at the very end. The idea of having Salandria/Dornaa counterpart heroes in the future just makes me excited. Want to see how they turn out to be...
At Warcraft 2 we had Alleria, Khadgar, Turalyon and Danath Trollbane. Then at Warcraft 3 we met Thrall, Illidan, Malfurion, Tyrande, Arthas, Sylvanas and Jaina. WC3: The Frozen Throne let us see the rise of Maiev, Kael'thas and Vashj. At World of Warcraft, i believe we met some new heroes, whose (good or bad)end has not come yet, such as Tirion Fordring or Garrosh Hellscream.
I am pretty sure there will be more to come. The way i like the warcraft history is just because heroes or important people do vanish in time, by death or some other way; giving the chance for new heroes to be born. Though, personally i really would like to see Shandris Feathermoon in some action someday, i feel like such an ancestral warrior staying out of the main storyline of a "world issue" is not true: Man, she is a warrior!
Notably, patch v1.09 War Of The Shifting Sands storyline made such a hero out of Fandral Staghelm, not so positively though. He was nothing before.
At Warcraft 2 we had Alleria, Khadgar, Turalyon and Danath Trollbane. Then at Warcraft 3 we met Thrall, Illidan, Malfurion, Tyrande, Arthas, Sylvanas and Jaina. WC3: The Frozen Throne let us see the rise of Maiev, Kael'thas and Vashj. At World of Warcraft, i believe we met some new heroes, whose (good or bad)end has not come yet, such as Tirion Fordring or Garrosh Hellscream.
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Notably, patch v1.09 War Of The Shifting Sands storyline made such a hero out of Fandral Staghelm, not so positively though. He was nothing before.
I've actually been a bit disappointed in overall story development. It seems like WoW so far has primarily closed off old Warcraft storylines and not really opened any new ones. I know its partly because that is what players want to see (the old storylines continued) but honestly, where are the new heroes coming from? Currently on live, Tiron Fordring really hasn't done much of anything yet except declare his intentions. Which hero led the assault against Onyxia? It might have been Marshal Windsor except he died unmasking her. Nefarian? Some nameless company of adventurers defeated him and Ragnaros. And so on.
Almost all of the major world events of classic WoW and TBC were completed by players to date. There have been a few exceptions: I loved when they had Maiev help with the defeat of Illidan - even though it will probably become canon that after Maiev was freed she led a force in assault against the Black Temple and destroyed her old foe. I'd sing her praises along with everybody else except that I know that not even once was she able to put that damned trap somewhere we could actually get Illidan over to. I guess years of imprisonment rots your reflexes.
It seems like this might change in the WotLK storyline but I would say Blizzard is struggling a bit with this concept of having players take on a major role in the storyline and yet advancing the storyline with memorable heroes. It was a lot easier in a strategy game where you are controlling the hero's forces but that doesn't work so well when you have 10 million players running around who want to feel like they are making a difference in the world through their own characters. I am, though, hoping we see more events like the DK-starting-area-closure sequence and the rise of new heroes like Tiron Fordring. I don't mind playing second fiddle to a major hero as long as I get to participate in the final battle in a memorable way.
I think Blizzard realizes they have to complete some of the existing storylines from the present Warcraft Universe before they introduce new ones. And its not just that players want to see that, its not good to confuse players with too many storylines.
I also like the new DK area events and I have no problems with using NPCs to come in and finish off some of the bosses after the fight to raise new heroes. But with WoTLK, I still expect Blizzard to use existing lore characters to finish off Arthas and the journey to Arthas will probably bring some new heroes into the spotlight.
I've actually been a bit disappointed in overall story development. It seems like WoW so far has primarily closed off old Warcraft storylines and not really opened any new ones. I know its partly because that is what players want to see (the old storylines continued) but honestly, where are the new heroes coming from? Currently on live, Tiron Fordring really hasn't done much of anything yet except declare his intentions. Which hero led the assault against Onyxia? It might have been Marshal Windsor except he died unmasking her. Nefarian? Some nameless company of adventurers defeated him and Ragnaros. And so on.
Offhand, I'd add Kalecgos and Saurfang to the list of major heroes; both played imporant heroic parts in major world events.
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I've actually been a bit disappointed in overall story development. It seems like WoW so far has primarily closed off old Warcraft storylines and not really opened any new ones. I know its partly because that is what players want to see (the old storylines continued) but honestly, where are the new heroes coming from? Currently on live, Tiron Fordring really hasn't done much of anything yet except declare his intentions. Which hero led the assault against Onyxia? It might have been Marshal Windsor except he died unmasking her. Nefarian? Some nameless company of adventurers defeated him and Ragnaros. And so on.
Almost all of the major world events of classic WoW and TBC were completed by players to date. There have been a few exceptions: I loved when they had Maiev help with the defeat of Illidan - even though it will probably become canon that after Maiev was freed she led a force in assault against the Black Temple and destroyed her old foe. I'd sing her praises along with everybody else except that I know that not even once was she able to put that damned trap somewhere we could actually get Illidan over to. I guess years of imprisonment rots your reflexes.
It seems like this might change in the WotLK storyline but I would say Blizzard is struggling a bit with this concept of having players take on a major role in the storyline and yet advancing the storyline with memorable heroes. It was a lot easier in a strategy game where you are controlling the hero's forces but that doesn't work so well when you have 10 million players running around who want to feel like they are making a difference in the world through their own characters. I am, though, hoping we see more events like the DK-starting-area-closure sequence and the rise of new heroes like Tiron Fordring. I don't mind playing second fiddle to a major hero as long as I get to participate in the final battle in a memorable way.
I kinda agree. Once WotLK and TBC are done, the two major villains left in the Warcraft universe post-WCIII have been dealt with. Now we have... Queen Azshara, who was a background character in Warcraft III and mentioned every once in a while in WoW, and also the Emerald Nightmare, which has also been hinted at but never really developed. On the one hand, I guess Blizzard wants to focus on current plotlines rather than foreshadowing future ones, but it's really hard at this point to see the Maelstrom and Emerald Dream expansions (which I'll take for granted that everyone agrees as the most likely future expansions) will be as lore-relevant as WotLK. Blizzard's storytelling has definitely improved from TBC to WotLK and may well improve in subsequent expansions, and they've done a good job of building up a set of characters to follow like Saurfang, Garrosh Hellscream, Brann Bronzebeard, etc., but that's not quite good enough, imo.
But then again, Northrend has turned out a lot better than I expected story-wise, even with the removal of Azjol-Nerub (sigh.) The three main plotlines as I see it are the Nexus War, the Yogg-Saron stuff (which includes Loken and his armies), and the fight against the Scourge. The first two were introduced just for WotLK, and have played out really well imo. So who knows what kind of new, convincing plots Blizzard will find to accompany the more-unexplored terrain in the WoW universe? Yes, it'd be nice if they tied together the expansions more (for example, the Sunwell stuff could have easily been tied to WotLK somehow) - I still find it annoying that the Ethereal / Blue Dragonflight connection never went anywhere - but these are relatively minor complaints overall.
Well, as far as the Yogg-Saron stuff is concerned, there were some hints here and there, prior to WotLK, that allowed enough people to predict that he / it would be included. Malygos was a good assumption too, though I didn't expect the story to arc in this particular manner. (It sort of came out of the blue - sorry, couldn't resist), but overall, it should be a pretty engaging story.
My concerns are, where does the story go after that? In terms of the Dragonflights, we're clearly going to see a progression in their story, as the events take place. But I haven't heard much of Dalaran and the Kirin Tor's actual involvement with the taking down of Malygos, while it HAS been revealed that Alexastrasza plays a rather large role, even being there for the actual fight.
I expect things to pick up substantially in WotLK as far as the story telling is concerned, but my two other major thoughts go to this:
1.) Blizzard announced, back when they announced the upcoming Sunwell Plateau dungeon (as it was, upcoming, at the time), that they had some extra material they could use to help keep people going a little while longer in the event of a WotLK delay. Furthermore, they said that things would tie in rather well, from TBC to WOTLK. Exactly what might we be missing? I'm curious as to whether or not it will find its way into this expansion, or if that story arc has been all but abandoned. And the tie-in seemed rather weak. What else are we missing?
Maybe, there will be more events taking place prior to the release, which now seems to be implicated for mid-November (though whether or not that holds up, we'll see).
2.) And my other major thought, concerns the fact that Blizzard always learns from their mistakes. And it seems that they are pushing storytelling, so whatever they miss out on, they will patch in later. They say they already know their cycle for the expansions' content, and how it will be released. I get the feeling that Blizzard is holding onto a LOT of content, that we're going to see released over time.
I don't expect to see Ulduar live at release. And I also don't know what content will lie beyond that. I can bet that Azjol-Nerub will be majorly patched in. Blizzard did the Isle, and I'm sure the precursors for all this are already there. I think the content cycle might just see the rise of many new heroes, and the fall of several that we have now (Sylvanas being one that comes to mind).
Blizzard is probably going to take this content cycle farther above and beyond than anything they've done before.
Originally Posted by Caniki
Hey guys, I heard that Blizzard puts out these things called "patches" that contain "content"
It wouldn't surprise me if they do patch in more of Azjol-Nerub considering their is a Nerubian looking area under the Icecrown Citidal down a very, very deep shaft, the only mobs down there are faceless ones.
Speaking of Kalec, has there been any sign of him yet? I'm really, really curious as to precisely what he and Tyri are going to be up to with the Nexus War. I mean, Kalec is fundamentally a pretty chill, good guy and I have to imagine he's not exactly keen on this whole "kill the magic users" thing especially since it probably involves taking out the very players who helped with the Sunwell.
I can imagine his homecoming exchange:
"Well, that's all taken care of, now to... wait that big needle of rock over Coldarra was totally not there when I left."
"Howdy, son! Back from your date? Here, help us kill some of these magic users!"
"Whoa, hold on, dad are you totally sure that this is a good idea, or even the right course of action since these magic users are probably going to be instrumental in fighting the Lich King who is once again on the move and just like totally fucking hijacked Sindragosa's corpse what the shit"
"Not now, son, too busy killing these mage children! Whoo!"
"Aw, crackers."
I've been looking forward to seeing his reaction to all this and so far, nothing.
Speaking of Kalec, has there been any sign of him yet? I'm really, really curious as to precisely what he and Tyri are going to be up to with the Nexus War. I mean, Kalec is fundamentally a pretty chill, good guy and I have to imagine he's not exactly keen on this whole "kill the magic users" thing especially since it probably involves taking out the very players who helped with the Sunwell.
I can imagine his homecoming exchange:
"Well, that's all taken care of, now to... wait that big needle of rock over Coldarra was totally not there when I left."
"Howdy, son! Back from your date? Here, help us kill some of these magic users!"
"Whoa, hold on, dad are you totally sure that this is a good idea, or even the right course of action since these magic users are probably going to be instrumental in fighting the Lich King who is once again on the move and just like totally fucking hijacked Sindragosa's corpse what the shit"
"Not now, son, too busy killing these mage children! Whoo!"
"Aw, crackers."
I've been looking forward to seeing his reaction to all this and so far, nothing.
I hope their absence is explained at least. There's literally been no sign of them. =/
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Though, personally i really would like to see Shandris Feathermoon in some action someday, i feel like such an ancestral warrior staying out of the main storyline of a "world issue" is not true: Man, she is a warrior!
I'd like to see her come out of Feralas as well to do some stuff. That way we are bound to figure out what happened to Jarod Shadowsong as well, who is pretty much the only humble Night Elf I can remember. I really miss the guy. Wonder what happened to him ([Shadowsong's Sorrow] is the only thing related to Jarod that I can find)?
If that isn't possible, atleast flesh out Tirion and Eitrigg some more this expansion. I know they are both already in Northrend, but they aren't really doing all that much.
If that isn't possible, atleast flesh out Tirion and Eitrigg some more this expansion. I know they are both already in Northrend, but they aren't really doing all that much.
I think it's a safe bet Tirion will be involved in whatever happens in Icecrown with Arthas.
The Lich King yells: This... isn't... over...
The Lich King yells: When next we meet it won't be on holy ground, paladin.
09/12/08, 12:21 PM
*Breathes sigh of relief*
