World of Warcraft - Lore & Storyline discussion [SPOILERS] - Page 12

• Wizeowel · 08/30/08, 9:41 AM

Originally Posted by muwatallis

About Darnassus, i was expecting it to be the primary strike point to the Northrend for the Alliance due to its location on the map.

Logistically, a city on a tree with, hundreds of yards below, space for a single jetty is hardly the optimal place for staging any serious kind of military action. There are no supply lines for a start, and the greater bulk of any movement of units or resources would have to come from a more populated and productive city. So why hold things up by stopping in Rut'theran village on the way north?

Hancu · 08/30/08, 11:36 AM

The guys at Wotlkwiki found some pretty interesting lines in the new data files, they say these are subtitles from a not-yet-implemented cinematic.

Highlord Bolvar! Thank the Light!
For Lordaeron!
For the Alliance!
Back, you mindless wretches!
Fight on, brothers!

Rise up, sons of the Horde!
Blood and glory await us!
Lok'tar ogar! For the Horde!
FOR THE HORDE!

I was wondering if you'd show up!

I couldn't let the Alliance have ALL the fun today!

Arthas! The blood of your father, of your people, demands justice!
Come forth, coward, and answer for your crimes!

You speak of justice?
Of cowardice?
I will show you the justice of the grave and the true meaning of fear.

Enough talk! Let it be finished!
You will pay for all the lives you've stolen, traitor.

Boldly stated, but there is nothing you can--

What?
Did you think we had forgotten?
Did you think we had forgiven?
Behold, now, the terrible vengeance of the Forsaken!

Sylvanas...

Death to the Scourge! And death to the living!

Fall back!

This isn't over.

Now, all can see this is the hour of the Forsaken.

We're finished.

No escape...

for any of us.

Leviathon · 08/30/08, 12:16 PM

Looks like Sylvanas may finally betray the Horde.

Tirin · 08/30/08, 1:27 PM

I'd imagine if anything she'll just be firing the first real shots of the next Horde-Alliance war. The "living" in question may just be humanity. The Forsaken betraying the Horde just doesn't make sense at this point in WoW. Blizzard isn't going to make them their own faction. The Forsaken practically worship Sylvannas and seem to share her point of view, so they can't just have her disappear and have various Forsaken NPC's talk about how shocked they are by her betrayal like they did with Sunwell. And it makes no sense whatsoever for the Forsaken to backstab their allies just as they turn their attention to the Forsaken's greatest enemy. Sylvannas and her generals would have to be the most brain-dead bunch of fools on the planet to declare war on their allies while the Scourge and the Alliance are both still around.

Tyvi · 08/30/08, 1:46 PM

Originally Posted by Leviathon

Looks like Sylvanas may finally betray the Horde.

Try reading the text as if multiple people would say it (faction leaders for example and Arthas). It makes a lot more sense that way. I imagine it looking like they arrive to help each other and say a part each. The last part could reference to the living Scourge allies, too, and not the Alliance/Horde.

Emeraude · 08/30/08, 3:40 PM

I am fangirling over the thought of Sylvanas showing up and annihilating everyone with a new plague. I have no idea how this would work in WoW however(Who WOULDN'T want to side with her? Honestly) for members of the Forsaken. It would be a disappointment and rather dumb if she simply because another bad NPC we had to kill. The Forsaken are easily the most interesting and coolest of the races in WoW atm, and they literally worship Sylvanas as a god, their Dark Lady, their Queen. It'll certainly be very interesting to see what happens.

Make no mistake, when the Forsaken say "death to the living and the dead" they're referring to all living races, not just the Scourge.

UnholY_Prince · 08/30/08, 7:19 PM

Originally Posted by Liar

Try reading the text as if multiple people would say it (faction leaders for example and Arthas). It makes a lot more sense that way. I imagine it looking like they arrive to help each other and say a part each. The last part could reference to the living Scourge allies, too, and not the Alliance/Horde.

Agreed, the end of the text definitely sounds like a dialog between Sylvanas and Arthas. "Did you think we'd forgiven" sounds like something she'd say towards him regarding their death and rebirth as Scourge, prior to gaining their cognitions.

Kumar · 08/30/08, 7:40 PM

From what are you getting the "Sylvanas may betray the Horde" part?

flyingtoastr · 08/30/08, 7:44 PM

Behold, now, the terrible vengeance of the Forsaken!

Sylvanas...

Death to the Scourge! And death to the living!

I would assume...

chrisb3 · 08/30/08, 7:49 PM

Originally Posted by Emeraude

One of the few voices that sounds good surprisingly is Mal'Ganis, although this might be because:

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I can't find anything anywhere to confirm this. I thought the Scarlet Onslaught quests pointed to the Lich King being the one behind the scenes this time.
Is this speculation? If so the Mal'ganis sound files would be from Stratholme Past, otherwise post the info from the Mal'ganis sound files please!

This is no bad thing if true, it establishes named Dreadlords as extremly crafty enemies, it even raises the question of if we have killed any of them yet, even the unnamed ones. Perhaps turning into bats on death isn't just a pretty animation?

Alerian · 08/30/08, 8:14 PM

World of Raids had a write-up on the Horde quests in Northrend and it mentioned Mal'ganis's involvement with the Scarlets at World of Raids | WotLK Questlines - Horde and Alliance exclusive stories.

Spink · 08/30/08, 8:58 PM

One small part they missed there was the hint during the DK starting quests where the Lich King says I sense an old enemy who I thought I'd already killed (something along those lines)

Alerian · 08/30/08, 9:39 PM

Ah, nice catch. I did some searching and I think Death Comes From On High - Quest - World of Warcraft is the quest you are talking about.

Azurai · 08/31/08, 1:35 AM

Originally Posted by Emeraude

I am fangirling over the thought of Sylvanas showing up and annihilating everyone with a new plague. I have no idea how this would work in WoW however(Who WOULDN'T want to side with her? Honestly) for members of the Forsaken. It would be a disappointment and rather dumb if she simply because another bad NPC we had to kill. The Forsaken are easily the most interesting and coolest of the races in WoW atm, and they literally worship Sylvanas as a god, their Dark Lady, their Queen. It'll certainly be very interesting to see what happens.

Make no mistake, when the Forsaken say "death to the living and the dead" they're referring to all living races, not just the Scourge.

I'm going out on a limb here, but Blizzard did introduce the new phasing system for content that allows for players to view things only when flagged. All the DK starting stuff is like this, another prime example is how Har'koa (sp?) in Zul'drak 'moves' to the troll encampment after she is set free. She no longer at her altar for your character, nor does she appear at the camp before then for you.

So the possibility does exist that Sylvanas goes bananas, but I think it would be quite a task for Blizzard. Firstly, they'd have to put a phased NPC in UC that replaced her. Secondly, if the lines can be interpreted as coming from the human/orc side (obviously zombies don't talk and Arthas isn't the one dying), Bolvar and Saurfang would die as well, presumably. At that point the Bolvar being in SW would have to be tidied up (they removed Prestor finally so it looks like they're actually intent on correcting some of this).

However, it could just be that Arthas was leading an attack with a large contingent of Vrykul as well (who are decidedly still living for the most part).

Starfire · 08/31/08, 1:51 AM

There is always Varimathras. When I first read it I can't help but think Sylvanas was enraged at Variamathras... I mean Balnazzar and now Mal'Ganis were/are still alive? (P.S. Who wants to see Blightcaller resurrected? Some good lore there). The other thing that came to my mind was Vereesa Windrunner. And I really don't think Sylvanas is cruel enough to obliterate the living, isn't she a prime reason for the Blood Elves joining the Horde? She obviously has some kidness towards her former race.

(Even Emeraude's going to go off fangirling, I have to say, I am fanboying having both Sylvanas and Jaina fighting Arthas during the final battle of WotLK, ala Hyjal's Jaina or Maiev in BT.)

By the way, World of Raid has a write-up saying not only is it Mal'Ganis, but he's working for the Legion. Seems like Mal'Ganis is the frontman for the Legion in Northrend, which after further thought is making some sense. Burning Legion sends Balnazzar and Mal'Ganis as agents in disguise to instigate humans to attack their common enemy, the Scourge (and Forsaken, a minor annoyance). Divide and Conquer?