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02/13/09, 10:53 AM
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#1921
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Piston Honda
Human Warlock
Steamwheedle Cartel
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I think it really depends on how we define "magic", both in content and scope. "Magic" can be only what we call arcane, or maybe it is everything that's not physical (and then it'd encompass the Light, shamanism, druidism, demonic stuff, etc.). On the other hand the Aspects, as far as I know, are restricted only to Azeroth - therefore the problem of scope. Demonic magic and the Light, for instance, seem to originate outside Azeroth, so they would not be under the responsibility of the Aspect of Magic. But if we define this instead as "anything that happens on Azeroth, regardless of its origin", then they would.
I'm not sure if there are any real answers for these questions in the canon, though.
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02/13/09, 11:56 AM
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#1922
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Von Kaiser
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I may be way off base here and mixed up, but I always thought Blizzard "borrowed" the Warhammer universe's definition of magic as chaotic energy being drawn from the twisting nether. That would include the mage type magic (arcane and elemental magics) and the magic of the well of eternity. Demons, creatures of the nether also use the same source but it comes out as a different product. I think that Malygos has dominion over these types of magic. Holy magic comes from "The Light (tm)" which is about faith and comes from mortals spiritual belief (goku spirit bomb *cough*). Druidism is drawn from the power of nature and it's various demi-gods; Elune, Cenarius et al. Shamanism I see as a mixture of holy and nether type magics as the spirits of the elements are elemental "demons" but also require faith and honor to grant their powers.
I would think Malygos is mainly after the mages and warlocks (or what they represent lore-wise), maybe shamen and pretty much everyone for using crazy magical artifacts and items etc. Things like the mana-forges in netherstorm would be the antithesis of Malygos' misson and the fact that mortals are manipulating magic in that way made him pretty angry. Things like druids for example would be fine because Malfurion went that way because the magic energy from the well was corrupting and the power of nature weren't and they seemed to be completely different things.
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02/13/09, 2:33 PM
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#1923
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Great Tiger
Troll Death Knight
Mal'Ganis
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The reason the Night Elves switched to Druidism, if I recall, was because the arcane magics drawn from the Well were what attracted the Legion. I suspect that they wouldn't have been so keen on Druidism either if it had to same chance to bring Sargeras back to Azeroth.
The nature of Elementals and therefore shamanic powers is interesting. We only know that Elementals are the physical embodiments of... well, elements. They don't actually die, instead being banished back to the elemental plane, similar to how many demons are banished back to the Nether, but the two realms are definitely distinct. The motivation of the elements always seemed like something of a mystery to me. On the surface it seems like all the lesser ones really strive for, if not bound to a master, is chaos. The agendas of the greater elementals however is never really clear. As mentioned previous in the thread, the elemental spirits that shaman derive their powers from are clearly different from the usual elementals we find wandering in the wild or working with the Shadow Council.
What if the Elemental Lords? Certainly they're suspicious at the least. Assuredly they still cater to the Old Gods, but it's never really explained why. None of them seem to be corrupted nor insane. A common interest between them seems likely. I don't think they're inherently evil, but rather inherently chaotic (which is usually perceived as evil).
Of course, then you take into account that many of the elemental spirits that communicate with Shaman often speak of natural balance and seem to be pretty orderly beings so long as some sort of calamity hasn't enraged them (which seems to happen rather often).
I think I went on a few tangents there, but you get my point. Elementals are definitely one of the hardest aspects of the Warcraft universe to grasp the motives of, and probably the hardest to understand in general (next to the Old Gods, perhaps).
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Uulwi ifis halahs gag erh'ongg w'ssh.
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02/13/09, 5:11 PM
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#1924
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Honorary Toastr
Night Elf Priest
Dragonblight
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Well being immortal doesn't mean you don't feel pain or desire power. Even if the Elemental Lords are unkillable they certainly seem to feel pain and desire.
Anyways, back to Emeraude's post and my own a bit earlier. I remembered something today. Ysera is Alexatrasza's younger sister. The relevance? Assuming there isn't some heebie-jeebie adoption (see Cenarius) thing going on today, Ysera is Green and Alexatrasza is Red. Seems to imply the color of a Dragon can be changed somehow. (Or they're only half-siblings, which is a possibility too).
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Originally Posted by arison
Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.
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02/13/09, 5:17 PM
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#1925
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Bald Bull
Night Elf Warrior
Sargeras
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Originally Posted by Starfire
Well being immortal doesn't mean you don't feel pain or desire power. Even if the Elemental Lords are unkillable they certainly seem to feel pain and desire.
Anyways, back to Emeraude's post and my own a bit earlier. I remembered something today. Ysera is Alexatrasza's younger sister. The relevance? Assuming there isn't some heebie-jeebie adoption (see Cenarius) thing going on today, Ysera is Green and Alexatrasza is Red. Seems to imply the color of a Dragon can be changed somehow. (Or they're only half-siblings, which is a possibility too).
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All of the Aspects are brothers/sisters though. :O
# Malygos: UNTHINKABLE! The mortals will destroy...e-everything...my sister...what have you-
# Alexstrasza: I did what I had to, brother. You gave me no alternative.
Malygos referred to Deathwing as his brother as well in War of the Ancinents...you know before that whole annihilation of his flight thing.
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What is the most important thing to you? Won't you grant me the pleasure of taking it away.
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02/13/09, 5:30 PM
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#1926
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King Hippo
Gnome Warlock
Earthen Ring
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Originally Posted by Emeraude
All of the Aspects are brothers/sisters though. :O
# Malygos: UNTHINKABLE! The mortals will destroy...e-everything...my sister...what have you-
# Alexstrasza: I did what I had to, brother. You gave me no alternative.
Malygos referred to Deathwing as his brother as well in War of the Ancinents...you know before that whole annihilation of his flight thing.
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I'm not so sure this necessarily means they are actually brothers/sisters. Soldiers call each other "brothers in arms" and the like frequently as well.
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Originally Posted by Fellwraith
[Y]ou will tank 3 mobs, and only 3 mobs. 5 shalt thou not tank, nor shalt thou tank 4. Thou shalt not tank 2 mobs unless it is on the way to tanking 3 mobs.
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02/13/09, 5:48 PM
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#1927
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Bald Bull
Night Elf Warrior
Sargeras
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Originally Posted by Haphnet
I'm not so sure this necessarily means they are actually brothers/sisters. Soldiers call each other "brothers in arms" and the like frequently as well.
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They always talk to each other like that. Deathwing refers to Alexstrasza as his sister, and not the "Brothers-in-arms" type way, but that twisted Deathwingish affectionate way.
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What is the most important thing to you? Won't you grant me the pleasure of taking it away.
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02/13/09, 7:05 PM
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#1928
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Piston Honda
Human Warrior
Hellscream (EU)
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Twisted, yes. After all, isn't/wasn't one of his goals to capture Alexstrasza and Ysera for use as breeding stock?
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02/13/09, 7:26 PM
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#1929
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Bald Bull
Night Elf Warrior
Sargeras
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Originally Posted by Blayze
Twisted, yes. After all, isn't/wasn't one of his goals to capture Alexstrasza and Ysera for use as breeding stock?
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Alexstrasza especially, he thinks she's wonderful. Was having all kind of delusional fantasies during the War of the Ancients. It was scary heh.
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What is the most important thing to you? Won't you grant me the pleasure of taking it away.
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02/14/09, 6:21 AM
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#1930
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Piston Honda
Human Warrior
Hellscream (EU)
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I'll assume you're talking about the books, which comes as no surprise to me. As if Richard A Knaak didn't have enough of a raging hard-on for dragons, it looks like he has one for dragonrape as well.
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02/14/09, 11:11 AM
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#1931
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Emeraude
They always talk to each other like that. Deathwing refers to Alexstrasza as his sister, and not the "Brothers-in-arms" type way, but that twisted Deathwingish affectionate way.
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If you put together how they all use "family" type of names to one another (brother, sister), and couple it with the fact that WotLK presented us with a new gem of lore (Grakkarond), who is supposed to be the "prime dragon", from which all other dragon aspects were made, you can tie them all as having the same origin, and therefore, Family.
Kinda sad to see Neltharion and Malygos acting like best buddies in War of the Ancients until Neltharion completely gave in to the Old God's corruption, but hey, all families are dysfunctional.
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02/15/09, 6:43 AM
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#1932
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Glass Joe
Tauren Death Knight
Norgannon
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Originally Posted by Blayze
I'll assume you're talking about the books, which comes as no surprise to me. As if Richard A Knaak didn't have enough of a raging hard-on for dragons, it looks like he has one for dragonrape as well.
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He actually touched upon dragon rape in Night of the Dragon, where it was heavily implied that Deathwing raped his prime consort, Sintharia.
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02/15/09, 3:25 PM
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#1933
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Piston Honda
Human Warlock
Steamwheedle Cartel
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About dragon kinship, there's this quote from Well of Eternity:
Malygos lauged further. He and Neltharion shuffled to one side, already deep in some conversation.
"Brothers they may not be in blood," commented Ysera, her closed eyes following the pair. "But they are truly brothers in nature."
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So yeah, common ancestor or not, they're not related by blood.
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02/15/09, 6:01 PM
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#1934
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Bald Bull
Night Elf Warrior
Sargeras
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Originally Posted by Faldrath
About dragon kinship, there's this quote from Well of Eternity:
So yeah, common ancestor or not, they're not related by blood.
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Good find.  That answers that.
Poor Dragons, they were once all so close and friendly. =/
Last edited by Emeraude : 02/15/09 at 6:23 PM.
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What is the most important thing to you? Won't you grant me the pleasure of taking it away.
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02/15/09, 6:52 PM
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#1935
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Still not crusading
Night Elf Warrior
Silvermoon (EU)
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There's plenty of lore in whichever book deals with Alexstraza being imprisoned in Grim Batol (Day of the Dragon?) which leads one to believe they don't reproduce asexually. The Shaman who has control of Alexstraza is very worried about losing the ability to produce more eggs from her because one of her older consorts (Tyranastrasz, I think) dies in captivity, and the only other mate they have for her seems to be on his last legs as well.
Yeap - just checked: Nekros Skullcrusher is the one in question. Deathwing also tries to steal Alexstraza's eggs in the hope of capturing a female to mate with, because he's supposedly killed all of his mates while getting his thing on with them, due to the changes made to him by unleashing the power of the Dragon Soul in the Well of Eternity series.
You would think that if they could produce asexually, that Deathwing would have knowledge of that.
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Originally Posted by Shaker
Blacksen is actually a computer AI developed by IBM to tackle the world's hardest AI problem: Out-trolling Zyla.
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