World of Warcraft - Lore & Storyline discussion [SPOILERS] - Page 15

Azurai · 09/03/08, 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by Liebestod

I'm hoping they work it in somehow when they add the raid, but I'm not confident.

I think an Isle of Quel'Danas treatment wouldn't be out of line. It is a secluded area so it can come later, if needed. A completely underground zone would have been new and exciting, but I'm pretty sure they saw the immediate flaw with it as I did: something has to be on top of it. So you're looking at double the development time unless they wanted to give it the Tardis treatment like Naxx or shrink the outside landmass of Northrend down to make up for it.

Zaniel · 09/03/08, 2:53 PM

Originally Posted by Azurai

I think an Isle of Quel'Danas treatment wouldn't be out of line. It is a secluded area so it can come later, if needed. A completely underground zone would have been new and exciting, but I'm pretty sure they saw the immediate flaw with it as I did: something has to be on top of it. So you're looking at double the development time unless they wanted to give it the Tardis treatment like Naxx or shrink the outside landmass of Northrend down to make up for it.

But they've already begun to have a sprawling area underground -- the Caverns of Time. True, they have to develop something over the new zone, too, but why not just do that? It doesn't need to be spectacular. The CoT ended up being under a fairly vacant part of the Tanaris desert.

ebbownee · 09/03/08, 8:38 PM

Has anyone found a place that tells how the titans came about? I've been wondering about that an have been looking to no avail.

Spink · 09/03/08, 11:01 PM

How they came to exist in the first place or why they came to Azeroth? I think they're meant to be mysterious in both regards due to their god(like) status

Liebestod · 09/04/08, 2:05 AM

I think it's explicitly stated in the background lore (War3 manual, etc.) that no one knows where the Titans come from.

Spink · 09/04/08, 2:29 AM

The more technological they're made to sound the more they seem like the creator of the zerg and the protoss in Starcraft manual lore. Although I'm not 100% sure if I remember exactly but I think the zerg ended up capturing and absorbing that race?

Tacitus · 09/04/08, 3:12 AM

Originally Posted by Spink

The more technological they're made to sound the more they seem like the creator of the zerg and the protoss in Starcraft manual lore. Although I'm not 100% sure if I remember exactly but I think the zerg ended up capturing and absorbing that race?

Paraphrased: they modified the Zerg parasites to the larva we now know them as and created the Overmind to rule over them. After some time, the Overmind learned of their spaceships floating above the planet and gathered an army, stormed the ships and killed/assimilated most of them, thus learning of the Protoss and lots of other things.

ildon · 09/05/08, 1:57 AM

Originally Posted by Azurai

I think an Isle of Quel'Danas treatment wouldn't be out of line. It is a secluded area so it can come later, if needed. A completely underground zone would have been new and exciting, but I'm pretty sure they saw the immediate flaw with it as I did: something has to be on top of it. So you're looking at double the development time unless they wanted to give it the Tardis treatment like Naxx or shrink the outside landmass of Northrend down to make up for it.

Pretty much every cave in the game already uses "the Tardis treatment" as you put it. Along with some of the capital cities, I think. So as long as the entrances look like they fit really well, and the overlap isn't too terribly obvious, I don't think most people would ever realize/notice.

Exemplar · 09/05/08, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Kumar

Does anyone have more lore information on Zul'Drak area? The reason I ask is, I ran Gundrak yesterday in the beta (pretty cool instance btw), but one of the things we saw is this long tail, what looked like a snake's tail.

Pic:
http://i35.tinypic.com/6jf2wm.jpg

Its the Orange thing, in the instance is moving.

They're using a lot of Norse Myth in Wrath. Why not throw the Midgaard serpent into things? Fight its huge head somewhere.

A non-Troll-related snake. Have it run across several zones, its tail just happens to be bound up in Gundrak. A raid boss that doesn't shout and scream, or give 30 second emo speeches. Sounds good to me. Perhaps an Ony/Magtheridon style "quick raid."

Kumar · 09/05/08, 2:27 PM

Originally Posted by Exemplar

They're using a lot of Norse Myth in Wrath. Why not throw the Midgaard serpent into things? Fight its huge head somewhere.

A non-Troll-related snake. Have it run across several zones, its tail just happens to be bound up in Gundrak. A raid boss that doesn't shout and scream, or give 30 second emo speeches. Sounds good to me. Perhaps an Ony/Magtheridon style "quick raid."

Yea, it would be interesting to fight an all out snake boss (not a Naga). Lots of interesting mechanics can come from such a fight.

Pretty much every cave in the game already uses "the Tardis treatment" as you put it. Along with some of the capital cities, I think. So as long as the entrances look like they fit really well, and the overlap isn't too terribly obvious, I don't think most people would ever realize/notice.

I think they can already add an underground city for the Kingdom. We have various of those "sink holes" in the zones, just need to make one connect to an underground cave/city.

Alerian · 09/05/08, 2:37 PM

I don't believe it would be too difficult for them to add AN under a current zone, but one thing I was thinking about is how this would effect zone boundaries. Most zones seem to have no Z limit as to where they begin or end. No matter how high up in the air I end up going, the zone changes appropriately. Same for if I've been under the ground (falling through the world type situations).

gia · 09/05/08, 3:12 PM

Has anyone mentioned the gate inside the Wintergrasp fortress? There's a molten core looking cave behind it that seems to lead directly under Icecrown Citadel. Could there be a future instance down there?

It also brings back memories of Darkness Falls in DAoC which was a dungeon that was accessible only to one faction at a time, perhaps an additional reward for the control of Wintergrasp?

xenios · 09/05/08, 4:13 PM

Originally Posted by gia

Has anyone mentioned the gate inside the Wintergrasp fortress? There's a molten core looking cave behind it that seems to lead directly under Icecrown Citadel. Could there be a future instance down there?

It also brings back memories of Darkness Falls in DAoC which was a dungeon that was accessible only to one faction at a time, perhaps an additional reward for the control of Wintergrasp?

I do believe you are referring to the Obsidian Dragonshrine. There is no real info on the wiki other than a picture, but you are sent there at the start of a mini quest chain that begins in wyrmrest temple.

Mosey · 09/05/08, 4:38 PM

Originally Posted by Alerian

I don't believe it would be too difficult for them to add AN under a current zone, but one thing I was thinking about is how this would effect zone boundaries. Most zones seem to have no Z limit as to where they begin or end. No matter how high up in the air I end up going, the zone changes appropriately. Same for if I've been under the ground (falling through the world type situations).

Water often has this same behavior as well, extending downwards and behaving as a "block".

• Chicken · 09/06/08, 5:29 AM

Originally Posted by Alerian

I don't believe it would be too difficult for them to add AN under a current zone, but one thing I was thinking about is how this would effect zone boundaries. Most zones seem to have no Z limit as to where they begin or end. No matter how high up in the air I end up going, the zone changes appropriately. Same for if I've been under the ground (falling through the world type situations).

They can most definitely handle zones changing based on your height in WotLK. Just look at Dalaran for an example. If you're standing underneath it you're considered in Crystalsong Forest, while if you actually stand in Dalaran you're considered in Dalaran.