It's also very interesting to me that Yogg-Saron seems to be voiced by the same guy who voiced Sartharion.

That's not a bad thing. I really like his voice overs. His laugh is maniacally amazing.

I'm listening to the voices now..

- I love Mimiron. He sounds like Conker with Bart Simpson's laugh. I hope they move him to Ironforge in 3.2 just because he's so cool.

- UR_XT002... wtf. Kinda creepy.

- Seems like there should be lines from Brann added eventually.

- The Yogg-Saron will either be incredibly awesome or completely boring... possibly the latter soon after the former.

- The Yogg-Saron scenes with Garona and Arthas are odd... is it being implied that Yogg-Saron had something to do with these events?

- I agree that his "death" sound doesn't sound like he actually dies. Hm. But one can only assume.

God I hope so, on both accounts.

Man, I can't wait for Old Gods to start really amping up in importance in the storyline.

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I also wonder how they plan to keep the 3.2 instance from seeming like a let-down after this, unless it actually is a YS followup. It sure won't seem quite as interesting if it's just another troll instance.

There is no need to use the spoiler tags in this thread it was created specifically for them, hence the tag in the name.

Well, why show random scenes from WoW history, one of which clearly does have to do with Old Gods? And it's apparently implied in the WoW comics that Garona was controlled by Cho'Gall, who is probably serving the Old Gods, so if 2/3 scenes have to do with Old Gods... what are we supposed to make of Arthas' lines? The only way I can see them making sense is if it's not supposed to be a flashback like the other scenes... a flash-forward maybe? Or just Yogg-Saron taking the form of the "true villain"?

If you actually hear his "death clip", it doesn't actually sound like he's dying, that's all. He just says the line in a straightforward manner, then chants something in Old Godese... and then he's dead? Well, I guess the Old God of Death might not mind very much..

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Actually, looking more closely at the sound files, you can see that the visions are in a certain order: Llane/Garona, then Deathwing, then Arthas. Yogg-Saron has comments on each scene.. the one he aims at Arthas is "you will learn that no King rules forever. Only death is eternal!" (And also another Old God chant.) And Arthas yells back in torment. This strikes me as strongly implying that Arthas' being "broken" at some point was done at Yogg-Saron's urging... which is kind of a big fucking deal. I wonder if that's implies in the upcoming Arthas book?

It's possible that Yogg-Saron was working with Ner'Zhul to recruit Arthas... but that wouldn't make sense given that the Faceless tried to stop him in Azjol-Nerub, and given that the Scourge and Faceless are not on good terms. There's also the odd Lich King line, "I will break you as I broke him." It's likely that one of the referred-to parties is Arthas (undergoing some kind of torture, as opposed to just submitting to the Lich King's will, which was the usual narrative.) The big question is whether the other person referred to is supposed to be.... the players, maybe? I doubt Yogg-Saron was broken, so... who knows.

I guess other people are interpreting this scene as the Lich King interrogating some random prisoner, but I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be Arthas undergoing some sort of torture.

Love Yogg-Saron's voice.

And agreed on the fishiness of the death clip. He sounds more like he's won than lost.

Maybe 3.2 will be dedicated to fighting the freed Yogg-Saron and the "corruption of the planet's defenses." One thing to keep in mind is that it was said that WotLK would be divided into three acts, and it seems unclear as to whether the second act will close in 3.1... sure, getting rid of Yogg-Saron would be a big thing, but it doesn't do much for the main plotline concerning Arthas. So maybe there'll be more development leading to an ultimate confrontation... but maybe I'm just clinging to the hope of seeing an Azjol-Nerub / Inside of Yogg-Saron zone.

Okay, so here's what comes to mind.

1.) Yogg-Saron, not being manipulated as it might seem. He is certainly more than aware of Arthas and there's a few things this leads to.
1a.) He let Arthas strike him down in their previous encounter, as Arthas and Anub'arak rushed to meet Ner'zhul
1b.) Very definite chance that he had some influence over Ner'zhul, and still has a rather large influence on the Lich King
1c.) All that Saronite ore? Damn.

2.) The Lich King... King of Death? What connection does this lead to? No King rules forever, but what if he rules death? Who is a more powerful "King of Death"? Yogg Saron or the Lich King?

3.) What kind of powers would Yogg-Saron have over death? Is he immortal? Can he commune with the dead?
3a.) What about the two Old Gods that have seemingly perished? Master's Glaive and C'thun? Can he revive them? Communicate with them?
3b.) He speaks of nightmares and death, both make it seem as if he's the mastermind. He was the only Old God we know of, that was specifically imprisoned in a Titan Facility. Though there's a chance one was sealed under the well of eternity, what makes him more special? Is he their leader?


Things are definitely going to get interesting. And if he doesn't really die... I wonder what that says about 3.2

I'm leaning towards the obvious conflict that there is between YS and LK. Perhaps a scene that played out while LK was sleeping after Arthas put on the LK's armor. Arthas is imprisoned in the LK's mind or rather his humanity is and it's being broken. LK is talking directly to YS, admiring his resilience but stating that he will break him as he broke Arthas (or his humanity, or Mathias, or whatever you want to call it). Just stating that he will break him doesn't mean he actually has broken him yet, just that they are at conflict and from the sounds of YS's frustration and his warning "You will learn that no king rules forever, only death is eternal!", the Lich King seems to have the upper hand at the moment. Which is reflected by the fact that the LK is actually successfully mining saronite ore, but since YS is incredibly powerful, the LK does not actually have any control over YS as he keeps trying to sabotage the Lich King's operation and is probably just waiting for the right time to strike at him.

More than likely Yogg-Saron is talking right into your mind so that could be the reason why his death speech doesn't sound like what you would expect.

The 'I will break you' part is likely referring to Mathias and how he is still fighting the Lich King to try and redeem Arthas' soul. Arthas screaming is probably a reference to him being overcome by Ner'zhul after the merge.

Now it is also likely that the Old Gods do not entirely die but just are getting banished from the mortal plane and I can see that being answered in the comic possibly. But either way he does die on the mortal plane considering you forge the legendary from the saronite inside his corpse.

You guys didn't read War of the Ancients, did you?

In one of those books, someone (It's either Krasus or Cenarius) says something along the lines of the entire Burning Legion could enter Azeroth, and there would still be a glimmer of hope. However, if Sargeras entered alone, the world would be royally fucked.

Sargeras was/is the second most powerful Titan in existence, only behind Aman'Thul. He was described as their most powerful warrior.

I can't get to the files yet (The download keeps timing out), but a couple of observations. I very much doubt that Blizzard would have us fight the same boss back-to-back in the same format (Having YS as the final boss in both Ulduar and the 3.2 raid would be lame), but I do believe this gives more credit to the Grim Batol idea. If Yogg-Saron is the God of Death and was responsible for the corruption of Neltharion, wouldn't it stand to reason that it's time that we put an end to the ASPECT of Death as well? And, again, it would lead nicely into Icecrown. . .destroying the King of Death. This entire expansion revolves around death. Plus, it would further tie into Malygos. If YS was responsible for Deathwing, he'd also indirectly be responsible for Malygos' insanity.

I'd also bet anything that when we fight the Nightmare, we'll be fighting both an Old God and Ysera. And, again, when we get to the end of the Infinite Dragonflight, we'll find an Old God and a corrupted Nozdormu. Which leaves which ever OG created the Naga. But, that could tie into either of the unnamed Old Gods. Or hell, the dead OG in Darkshore could be behind something, too. Lots of possibilities.

One final note: Does anyone see the similarity between the Old Gods and Lavos of Chrono Trigger? Whether intentional or not, I found it pretty amusing.