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Old 09/06/08, 8:25 AM   #226
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Well I think I found indications that A-N will be its own standalone area.
Behind the Titan Relic in Wintergrasp Fortress there used to be a gate with a portal. In the current build, there is a Green portal and no gate. Moving through the portal at this time does not currently place you inside an instance. Currently, moving too deep inside the area zones you into Icecrown which ports you out, but this area would exist 'under' Icecrown.

There are environmental indications that this may be A-N city, and the main or only access into is by controlling
Wintergrasp at the time.

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Old 09/07/08, 12:39 PM   #227
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Interesting. At any rate, they seem to have plans for that area, time will tell.

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They can most definitely handle zones changing based on your height in WotLK. Just look at Dalaran for an example. If you're standing underneath it you're considered in Crystalsong Forest, while if you actually stand in Dalaran you're considered in Dalaran.
Ah, thanks for the info. I'm not in beta yet, so I haven't had the chance to try out anything like that. It might lend support for the Wintergrasp stuff, but it's too early to tell yet.

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Old 09/08/08, 12:34 AM   #228
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Hey, all I'm back after that stupid hurricane kept me offline(And without power) for a week! *Shakes fist @ Gustav*

There seems to be a quest line in Icecrown where you spend a considerable amount of time trying to save the life of a Paladin who is being gripped by the Plague of Undeath.

Time Yet Remains - Quest - World of Warcraft -> Hope Yet Remains - Quest - World of Warcraft

After this part I'm not sure if it continues or not.

One of the more interesting parts was that even Alexstrasza cannot do anything to help a body gripped by the plague of Undeath. I'm wondering if there is any chance of salvation for said Paladin(And a cure to Undeath? O_o) or if this is just an incomplete(Or perhaps A'dal is a fitting conclusion) to the quest line.

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Old 09/08/08, 1:33 AM   #229
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Originally Posted by Emeraude View Post
Hey, all I'm back after that stupid hurricane kept me offline(And without power) for a week! *Shakes fist @ Gustav*

There seems to be a quest line in Icecrown where you spend a considerable amount of time trying to save the life of a Paladin who is being gripped by the Plague of Undeath.

Time Yet Remains - Quest - World of Warcraft -> Hope Yet Remains - Quest - World of Warcraft

After this part I'm not sure if it continues or not.

One of the more interesting parts was that even Alexstrasza cannot do anything to help a body gripped by the plague of Undeath. I'm wondering if there is any chance of salvation for said Paladin(And a cure to Undeath? O_o) or if this is just an incomplete(Or perhaps A'dal is a fitting conclusion) to the quest line.
Well, according to wiki,

An ancient scroll, found in a Northrend ruin, mentioned a spell that can remove undeath from a huge number of creatures at the same time, laying the undead creatures permanently to rest. Such a spell could rid the world of the Scourge for good and strip the Lich King of his power. The scroll had no details, but if such a spell does exist the blue dragons of Coldarra must know it, and possibly have it. All that remains is for heroes to gain access to the island and ask them — or, barring that, sneak onto the island unnoticed, sneak into the Nexus, and search for the spell without getting caught. Its unknown if anyone tried.LoM 96
That is from the Lands of Mystery book.

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Old 09/08/08, 7:43 AM   #230
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I don't know how much this bothers anyone else, but is anyone else a little bit... confused by the idea that there's some "ancient" spell that cures Undeath... when it's a fairly recent phenomenon on Azeroth? Or at least, at this large scale? What does that suggest?

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Hey guys, I heard that Blizzard puts out these things called "patches" that contain "content"
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Yeah but it hasn't happened since Ulduar.

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Old 09/08/08, 7:54 AM   #231
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Well, if you include the War of the Ancients Trilogy, I seem to recall that Rhonin encounters some undead prior to the Sundering, raised by an Eredar sorcerer or somesuch. Its been a while since I read it, but I do vaguely recall that bit. That would put undead on Azeroth 10,000 years ago, which I think qualifies as 'ancient'.

Whether those books count as canon or not, and whether that is what is being referenced, is up for debate.

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Old 09/08/08, 8:48 AM   #232
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Originally Posted by Ashen View Post
I don't know how much this bothers anyone else, but is anyone else a little bit... confused by the idea that there's some "ancient" spell that cures Undeath... when it's a fairly recent phenomenon on Azeroth? Or at least, at this large scale? What does that suggest?
Nothing specific really. WoW lore spans tens of thousands of years, but there are some massive gaps in there, both in timeframe and location.

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Old 09/08/08, 11:15 AM   #233
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Originally Posted by Eucharion View Post
Well, if you include the War of the Ancients Trilogy, I seem to recall that Rhonin encounters some undead prior to the Sundering, raised by an Eredar sorcerer or somesuch. Its been a while since I read it, but I do vaguely recall that bit. That would put undead on Azeroth 10,000 years ago, which I think qualifies as 'ancient'.

Whether those books count as canon or not, and whether that is what is being referenced, is up for debate.
If I recall correctly, Rhonin together with Broxigar and Jarod Shadowsong encounters Nathrezim experimenting with necromancy in the ruins of Suramar. They kill the Nathrezim, but it appears the undead they created remained, and were likely the undead Rhonin and Krasus encountered on their journey to Kalimdor.

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Old 09/08/08, 12:28 PM   #234
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Originally Posted by Ashen View Post
I don't know how much this bothers anyone else, but is anyone else a little bit... confused by the idea that there's some "ancient" spell that cures Undeath... when it's a fairly recent phenomenon on Azeroth? Or at least, at this large scale? What does that suggest?
For all that matters, the spell might not even be native from Azeroth which might explain by Malygos might not be able to know it. Paladin spells suggest that the light could be used to turn undead, it might be a Naaru work that it is able to manifest its power and mass destroy undead.

Also , I do not believe it actually "cures" undead as in make the undead living again, so putting it to permanent rest will count as the cure, which reminds me of Ashbringer. The Ashbringer also have the power to slew undead at ease, Morgaine killed thousands of undead before falling to exhaustion.

It is hence not unreasonable to believe such a power can be written into a spell. The caster would need to be extremely powerful to use the spell in the case.

Although the Undead appeared in the War of the ancients Trilogy, their appearance is rather brief, and quite unsignificant in the story line. Also not many elves have contact with them, Krasus is the only probable guy who could write such a spell but it seems unlikely in this case as the Dragonqueen could not cure it.

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Old 09/08/08, 2:38 PM   #235
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There's also undead in Stranglethorn Vale, Temple of Atal'Hakkar and Hillsbrad which aren't affiliated with the Scourge, Legion or Forsaken. (And of course in Outlands there's Auchindoun).

All of which suggests Undeads have been on Azeroth for centuries.

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Old 09/08/08, 4:00 PM   #236
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Well, if such a spell does exist, and assuming Blizzard wants to fit it into the WoW lore at this point (Blizzard can just say no nothing like this exists and they don't have to deal with it), I would think Arthas would be making efforts to get his hands on the spell.

As of now, there is nothing to suggest he is. But then again, I have always been in favor of Arthas raising Malygos as a Forst Wyrm after we slay him.

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Old 09/08/08, 5:38 PM   #237
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Has there ever been any indication that the source books are pure, 100% canon? Keep in mind that the audience for these books is tabletop dungeon masters searching for adventure hooks for their parties. The authors of the books can hint at things like spells that cure all undeath everywhere because if the players of a tabletop game ascend to god-mode and save all of Azeroth, no one cares but them; it doesn't impact the greater lore.

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Old 09/08/08, 8:46 PM   #238
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Originally Posted by Bluefish View Post
Has there ever been any indication that the source books are pure, 100% canon?
I don't think there is such a thing as 100% canon. Lore from pretty much every possible source has been rewritten at some point, in some cases multiple times.

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Old 09/08/08, 11:04 PM   #239
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Originally Posted by Bluefish View Post
Has there ever been any indication that the source books are pure, 100% canon? Keep in mind that the audience for these books is tabletop dungeon masters searching for adventure hooks for their parties. The authors of the books can hint at things like spells that cure all undeath everywhere because if the players of a tabletop game ascend to god-mode and save all of Azeroth, no one cares but them; it doesn't impact the greater lore.
Look at Northrend from LoM. Pretty much everything in it came to be in WotLK. So yes, they'll change some stuff, but it's clear that they intend to stick by everything they write there for WoW.

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Old 09/10/08, 9:59 AM   #240
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Anyhow, I made a new post over on wotlkwiki, I'll crosspost it here if anyone has any thoughts:

At a few points Loken comments that his work represents an attempt to revive/free a "Father" of some sort. Presumed Father is in Ulduar, I believe, probably the Ulduar raid.

On the other hand, when you actually engage him in Halls of Lightning, he mentions that he's working to release Yogg-Saron onto the world. Which would presumably mean that Yogg-Saron is this "Father", except:

a) Old Gods aren't exactly "Father"-like figures, are they?
b) Yogg-Saron certainly isn't in Ulduar and probably isn't even buried beneath Storm Peaks, so why are they working there?
c) If Yogg-Saron is the "Father", and he isn't in Ulduar, wtf is going to be in the Ulduar raid? Completely unrelated lore stuff? Alternatively, if Yogg-Saron is the "Father" and in the Ulduar raid, wtf is going to be in the Azjol-Nerub raid, where I think everyone has presumed Yogg-Saron will be?

The main question, ultimately, is whether Yogg-Saron is the "Father" figure to which Loken refers, or whether he's trying to help someone/something else that will ultimately help Yogg-Saron out. I find this to be the most likely explanation, but it's still unconvincing.

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