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09/10/08, 8:39 PM
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#241
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Great Tiger
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It all depends I suppose. I mean, observing quickly:
Old God underneath Northrend.
Old God dead in Darkshore.
Old God underneath Silithus
Old God somewhere in Tirisfal.
Old God also connected to the Maelstrom
On top of this, let's look at Titan Vaults.
One in Northrend (Ulduar)
One in Tanaris (Uldum)
One in Badlands (Uldaman)
Vault in Desolace (Terramok)
Vault in Bael Modan
Well of Eternity at the center. Would this form a sort of star? And do the positions of the Old Gods correlate? Somewhat?
I get the sense, that there could be constructs within the Titan dungeons that might help keep the Old Gods chained. I'm not exactly sure what the mechanisms are for them being imprisoned, and exactly just how far their powers extend.
Additionally, there's the question of the timeline. When the vaults were built, what they were used for in their entirety, and then on top of that, when the Old Gods arrived, and how things went down after that. It's quite possible that Ulduar has been invaded by the Old God forces as well.
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Originally Posted by Caniki
Hey guys, I heard that Blizzard puts out these things called "patches" that contain "content"
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Originally Posted by Darkside
Yeah but it hasn't happened since Ulduar.
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09/11/08, 9:40 AM
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#242
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Don Flamenco
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Well, the Titan/Old Gods lore is a spin on Ancient Greek Mythology, only in that case, the Titan were the Old Gods (Kronos being the leader) and were over thrown by the New Gods (Zeus being the leader). In that, the Titans were imprisoned after the "War of the Titans" in Tartarus, so my guess is, something similar exists for the imprisonment of the Old Gods in Azeroth.
Also, Blizzard has gone with Norse Mythology influence in WoTLK, so it will be interesting to see if they have any plans to use the Ragnarok (Final Destiny of the Gods) myth somewhere down the line.
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09/11/08, 1:10 PM
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#243
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Bald Bull
Night Elf Warrior
Sargeras
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Originally Posted by Kumar
Well, the Titan/Old Gods lore is a spin on Ancient Greek Mythology, only in that case, the Titan were the Old Gods (Kronos being the leader) and were over thrown by the New Gods (Zeus being the leader). In that, the Titans were imprisoned after the "War of the Titans" in Tartarus, so my guess is, something similar exists for the imprisonment of the Old Gods in Azeroth.
Also, Blizzard has gone with Norse Mythology influence in WoTLK, so it will be interesting to see if they have any plans to use the Ragnarok (Final Destiny of the Gods) myth somewhere down the line.
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We've already used Ragnaros in MC, clearly that idea is no longer on the table. 
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What is the most important thing to you? Won't you grant me the pleasure of taking it away.
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09/11/08, 2:00 PM
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#244
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Honorary Toastr
Night Elf Priest
Dragonblight
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Don't forget Ahn'Qiraj is clearly Egyptian-influenced, though. (Curious how there's nothing to do with Ra or Aten or anything Sun-related, though).
Also the entire Naga/Queen Azshara concept are heavily Hindu/Indian-influenced. (I am still waiting for Garudas =p). Actually, upon further reflection, so are the Shivarra/Shivan.
Random mythology comment: The Shivarra/Shivan, though named after Shiva are modelled after Kali. Kali is also the consort of Shiva.
Queen Azshara seems to be modeled after Shiva; in so far as she appears to take the pose of Shiva doing the cosmetic dance.
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09/11/08, 2:16 PM
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#245
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by Emeraude
We've already used Ragnaros in MC, clearly that idea is no longer on the table. 
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That is Ragnaro s, I am talking about Ragnaro k.
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In Norse mythology, Ragnarök (IPA: /rɑgnɑrɔk/, Old Norse "Final destiny of the gods"[2]) refers to a series of major events, including a great battle foretold to ultimately result in the death of a number of major figures (including the gods Odin, Thor, Freyr, Heimdall, and the jötunn Loki), the occurrence of various natural disasters, and the subsequent submersion of the world in water. Afterwards, the world resurfaces anew and fertile, the surviving gods meet, and the world is repopulated by two human survivors. Ragnarök is an important event in the Norse canon, and has been the subject of an amount of scholarly discourse and theory.
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Interestingly, although the Titans are driven by Greek Mythology, the two types of Titans they have in WoW Lore are Norse based - Aesir (platinum), Vanir (bronze). As a result, its good to know of another event in Norse Mythology, the Esir-Vanir War:
Æsir-Vanir War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So, by slowly letting us know more and more about the Titan Lore, Blizzard maybe going in a direction of a factional war between the Titans ultimately benefitting Sargeras.
Last edited by Kumar : 09/11/08 at 2:24 PM.
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09/11/08, 4:38 PM
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#246
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♥
Blood Elf Priest
Genjuros (EU)
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Originally Posted by gia
Has anyone mentioned the gate inside the Wintergrasp fortress? There's a molten core looking cave behind it that seems to lead directly under Icecrown Citadel. Could there be a future instance down there?
It also brings back memories of Darkness Falls in DAoC which was a dungeon that was accessible only to one faction at a time, perhaps an additional reward for the control of Wintergrasp?
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Quoting myself, but anyway, here's some further development on this subject: http://i34.tinypic.com/2ufalag.jpg
Notice the message in the middle of the screen. It's no longer a cave anymore and the structure is certainly Ulduar themed. It's also geographically quite close to the Maker's Overlook in Sholazar Basin, so there could be a connection with that.
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09/11/08, 5:06 PM
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Great Tiger
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Originally Posted by gia
Quoting myself, but anyway, here's some further development on this subject: http://i34.tinypic.com/2ufalag.jpg
Notice the message in the middle of the screen. It's no longer a cave anymore and the structure is certainly Ulduar themed. It's also geographically quite close to the Maker's Overlook in Sholazar Basin, so there could be a connection with that.
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Oh wow.... that just made things a whole lot more interesting. PvP to enter PvE eh? Intriguing.
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Originally Posted by Caniki
Hey guys, I heard that Blizzard puts out these things called "patches" that contain "content"
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Originally Posted by Darkside
Yeah but it hasn't happened since Ulduar.
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09/11/08, 5:39 PM
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#248
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King Hippo
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Originally Posted by Ashen
Oh wow.... that just made things a whole lot more interesting. PvP to enter PvE eh? Intriguing.
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That will never, ever go live. I can't imagine what they're trying to do.
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09/11/08, 6:14 PM
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Liebestod
That will never, ever go live. I can't imagine what they're trying to do.
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Until we know what's behind that portal, it will be difficult to even attempt to guess at Blizzard's intentions. However, I am very excited by the prospect. At the least this should spur some excitement in Wintergrasp PvP, and it could give battles much more meaning.
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09/11/08, 6:51 PM
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#251
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King Hippo
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Originally Posted by Merrack
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Okay, a one-shot.. that is interesting, I suppose.
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09/11/08, 7:12 PM
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#252
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Von Kaiser
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On the subject of betrayals and things involving major lore characters:
Quest - A Life Without Regret
What are those Nathrezim up to this time? Who is Putress? And the first quest in that line seems to spell trouble for
And if you look through the other quests that've appeared since this last Beta build, things look ... tense between the Horde and the Alliance. There are multiple quests in Icecrown that involve killing enemy faction players. To me, it looks like they're building on the notion that the crusade against Arthas is corrupting the players and the NPCs involved, threatening the whole world with chaos. It's a nice touch to make things darker.
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09/11/08, 7:44 PM
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Piston Honda
Draenei Shaman
Moonrunner
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Originally Posted by Earthhoof
On the subject of betrayals and things involving major lore characters:
Quest - A Life Without Regret
What are those Nathrezim up to this time? Who is Putress? And the first quest in that line seems to spell trouble for
And if you look through the other quests that've appeared since this last Beta build, things look ... tense between the Horde and the Alliance. There are multiple quests in Icecrown that involve killing enemy faction players. To me, it looks like they're building on the notion that the crusade against Arthas is corrupting the players and the NPCs involved, threatening the whole world with chaos. It's a nice touch to make things darker.
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It looks to me like Blizzard is kicking off WotLK by having Varimathras revolt, Orgrimmar flattened by troops from the Lich King, and (most shocking) killing off Thrall. This will piss off a lot of people once the WoW forum populace reads that quest.
It also implies that Sylvanas is still with the Horde. A few pages back in this thread, people were speculating that Sylvanas would revolt, but if Thrall is telling Horde players to go to the Undercity to speak with Vol'jin, then perhaps Sylvanas is offering shelter for orcs and troll that have been kicked out of their home city.
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09/11/08, 7:52 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Addled
It looks to me like Blizzard is kicking off WotLK by having Varimathras revolt, Orgrimmar flattened by troops from the Lich King, and (most shocking) killing off Thrall.
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Just as a note, though Thrall is talking morbidly, the quest doesn't say he's dying. He in fact tells you that he'll meet up with you in the Undercity. Also, this doesn't seem to take place at the start of WotLK, but, rather, midway through - a previous quest involves retrieving Saurfang the Younger's armor and bringing it back to his father. I think the point is that, somewhere along the line - presumably during the assault on the Wrathgate, something goes horribly wrong, there's a betrayal by Varimathras and potentially others, and this causes widespread chaos and possibly sets the Horde and Alliance against each other once more.
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09/11/08, 8:43 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Addled
It looks to me like Blizzard is kicking off WotLK by having Varimathras revolt, Orgrimmar flattened by troops from the Lich King, and (most shocking) killing off Thrall. This will piss off a lot of people once the WoW forum populace reads that quest.
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Thrall doesn't actually seem to die, he's just saying he wants to thought of as a good Warchief when he eventually dies. Although I have to admit they could've worded that quest better, at first glance a lot of people are going to think Thrall kicked the bucket.
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It also implies that Sylvanas is still with the Horde. A few pages back in this thread, people were speculating that Sylvanas would revolt, but if Thrall is telling Horde players to go to the Undercity to speak with Vol'jin, then perhaps Sylvanas is offering shelter for orcs and troll that have been kicked out of their home city.
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If Sylvanas is still there she won't be in control of the entire city, if that. Note that the last quest in the chain is called "The Battle For The Undercity", which seems to imply it's been taken over, most likely by Varimathras' buddies.
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