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Old 04/06/09, 4:53 PM   #2791
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Originally Posted by PrayForDeath View Post
Why did people stop talking about Azjol-Nerub as a possible raid for 3.2? This seems to have started when Yoggy was announced as the final boss for Ulduar, but was he really the only significant part of Azjol-Nerub?

What about the current leader of the nerubians? Where are the "good" living nerubians? What about the possibility of adding the underground zone that was canceled during wotlk development? It could have a long story line that leads to the new raid instance, possibly with a 5man intro. And what about Anub'Arak? Is he really dead or will he pull a Kael'thas in 3.2?

I don't think we should rule off Azjol-Nerub for 3.2 just because Yogg-Saron was relocated to Ulduar (lore-wise).
There is always the Utgarde castle that could be a candidate. There's plenty of room to develop the San'layn and Darkfallen varmpire elf dudes as they appear quite a few times throughout LK and specifically in UK. At the end of UK Annhylde the Caller comes and resurrects the last boss too. While she is most certainly working for Arthas, there's a lot of room for development for either a Utgarde raid or simply an expansion of those fellas in Icecrown.

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Old 04/06/09, 5:15 PM   #2792
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Speaking of that castle at Jotenheim, did the guy who found those map files listed as "Icecrown 5man" or something to that effect before they removed it with the last PTR patch see if the structure of the instance looked like it was part of Icecrown Citadel, or did it look like the Vykrul architecture?

Jotenheim being the 3.2 raid could be a possibility if it isn't the planed 5man to go with the Icecrown raid, it would fit in pretty decently, being a precursor to the main attack on Icecrown Citadel. But it could also just be the 5man with the exact same story, and 3.2 will be "TROLLS BE USING GOD POWERS... AGAIN".

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Old 04/06/09, 6:01 PM   #2793
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Don't forget the possibility of adding a new 5-man in 3.2. We could still do Grim Batol/Gundrak if one of them is a 5-man. My bet is Gundrak as a troll raid instance, and Grim Batol as a Caverns of Time 5-man instance, perhaps foreshadowing a Blackwing raid in the next expansion.

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Old 04/06/09, 6:16 PM   #2794
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Originally Posted by Axl_Stukov View Post
Speaking of that castle at Jotenheim, did the guy who found those map files listed as "Icecrown 5man" or something to that effect before they removed it with the last PTR patch see if the structure of the instance looked like it was part of Icecrown Citadel, or did it look like the Vykrul architecture?
Shouldn't we be able to look for ourselves by not updating the PTR all the way? What build was it removed in? Related question, is there a working mapviewer/sandbox for the PTR?

I don't think the next raid will be with trolls, it doesn't flow at all. Trolls do not seem to be part of the main story arc outside of what we already have seen. Either its going to lead into Icecrown Citadel, or its not connected at all and could be anything. I had my money on Yogg being the new raid and something else at the end of Ulduar before, but I'm not sure would be between Yogg and Arthas.

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Old 04/06/09, 6:20 PM   #2795
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Are we even certain there is going to be a raid in 3.2? I honestly would not be surprised if blizzard wants WotLK to have only three raid instances and three tiers of content instead of the 4 we had in classic and TBC.

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Old 04/06/09, 6:26 PM   #2796
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I still want to see Caverns of Time: Caverns of Time, an epic raid instance set in a mock Vent channel -- where players struggle to keep a raid together and prevent the idiots and morons from wiping everyone, going AFK and/or deciding to stand in the fire.

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Old 04/06/09, 6:29 PM   #2797
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I believe blizz said there would be a raid after Ulduar and before Icecrown.

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Old 04/06/09, 7:58 PM   #2798
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Originally Posted by Machinator View Post
Shouldn't we be able to look for ourselves by not updating the PTR all the way? What build was it removed in? Related question, is there a working mapviewer/sandbox for the PTR?

I don't think the next raid will be with trolls, it doesn't flow at all. Trolls do not seem to be part of the main story arc outside of what we already have seen. Either its going to lead into Icecrown Citadel, or its not connected at all and could be anything. I had my money on Yogg being the new raid and something else at the end of Ulduar before, but I'm not sure would be between Yogg and Arthas.
Yeah, the main problem is that there are no real obvious loose ends for 3.2 to resolve, besides Arthas himself. The Twilight Dragonflight story is exceedingly tangential, Blizzard has gone out of their way to destroy anything that could possibly tie into an A-N zone, Gun'drak would cause a million facepalms from the playerbase.... so it seems like Blizzard may possibly try to tie up some random loose end in Azeroth (Timbermaw Hold!!1), or possibly open up a new plot thread leading to the third expansion (which might be why they're tight-lipped about the content at the moment. Perhaps they're waiting for a Blizzcon announcement?)

The only other plot thread I can think of would be Mal'ganis', but I can't see that tying into any raid, unless we're going to invade Xoroth or something random like that.

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Old 04/06/09, 8:02 PM   #2799
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Originally Posted by Varuk View Post
Are we even certain there is going to be a raid in 3.2? I honestly would not be surprised if blizzard wants WotLK to have only three raid instances and three tiers of content instead of the 4 we had in classic and TBC.
The "plan" according to Tigole was laid out specifically at Blizzcon in regards to having new raids in 3.1 2 & 3.

With Ulduar being in 3.1, and Icecrown being in 3.3, and 3.2 was supposed to be super duper secret, so we all just assumed Azjol-Nerub since there was all that speculation from Brann about retaking the underground spider kingdom in the RPG books, and because in the Frozen Throne you spend like 3 missions down their guiding Anub'arak & Arthas through it.

Then of course we learned about the whole tie-in to the Night of the Dragon book with Grim Batol and Deathwing being alive and the Twilight drama, so now we're learning toward assuming it's a Grim Batol raid.

But of course it doesn't stop there, because some of us hate Trolls, and troll raids, and Blizzard hasn't had an expansion yet without one(regardless of the fact there's only been one :P) so the really dark and gloomy people(I love you all) are assuming the super secret raid will just be another troll raid.

Then there's the Gilieas theory, which is my own, and has absolutely no basis, but I mean, it's super duper secret what's going on back there, and Metzen said snipers would take him out @ Comiccon in New York if he talked about Gilineas, so who knows!

Further insane theories include Ner'zhul possessing Malyagos' dead body since Arthas kicked him out, Dalaran crashing some place and becoming a Fallout 3 type zombie raid, and of course there's always Caverns of Time: Fall of Dalaran where we team up with Arthas/Kel'Thuzad/Archimonde to destroy the original Dalaran, again this is all ridiculous speculation because Blizzard is so tight lipped about what the heck they do there.

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Old 04/06/09, 8:08 PM   #2800
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Originally Posted by Valinnor View Post
There is always the Utgarde castle that could be a candidate. There's plenty of room to develop the San'layn and Darkfallen varmpire elf dudes as they appear quite a few times throughout LK and specifically in UK. At the end of UK Annhylde the Caller comes and resurrects the last boss too. While she is most certainly working for Arthas, there's a lot of room for development for either a Utgarde raid or simply an expansion of those fellas in Icecrown.
Well we killed quite a few of the San'layn already and I'd imagine the last ones we will meet in Icecrown Citadel and/or its 5 man. A Utgarde raid is one of those things that also was brought up back when WotLK was announced but was likely completely dropped.

Originally Posted by Axl_Stukov View Post
Speaking of that castle at Jotenheim, did the guy who found those map files listed as "Icecrown 5man" or something to that effect before they removed it with the last PTR patch see if the structure of the instance looked like it was part of Icecrown Citadel, or did it look like the Vykrul architecture?

Jotenheim being the 3.2 raid could be a possibility if it isn't the planed 5man to go with the Icecrown raid, it would fit in pretty decently, being a precursor to the main attack on Icecrown Citadel. But it could also just be the 5man with the exact same story, and 3.2 will be "TROLLS BE USING GOD POWERS... AGAIN".
I have no knowledge of emulators so I had no way of seeing what the 5 man or raid looked like but I'd imagine it would of been a bunch of untextured things anyway. I'd imagine the 5 man will be like what someone assumed with it being a ramparts type of thing and the raid being the citadel itself. I could also see it being a instance that ends up being a Azjol-Nerub type thing and being in the area under the Citadel.

I doubt we will see anything dealing with the Drakkari either. The Drakkari story ended after the quests and 5 man.

Originally Posted by Varuk View Post
Are we even certain there is going to be a raid in 3.2? I honestly would not be surprised if blizzard wants WotLK to have only three raid instances and three tiers of content instead of the 4 we had in classic and TBC.
Yes Blizzard said 3.2 is a secret raid and there were only 3 tiers (set wise) in vanilla and TBC also. The 3.2 raid probably would be tier 9 with Icecrown being similar to Sunwell.

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Old 04/07/09, 1:48 AM   #2801
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Originally Posted by Liebestod View Post
Hm, the most interesting thing from those pages (besides giving CoA:Black something of a backstory) would be in, once again, the complete absence of Tyr from the list of Watchers. I guess he's just been retconned out of existence.
Unlike the other temples, the quest text for Tyr's says "No indications of struggle are present.". The other temples are all destroyed, corrupted or show signs of a struggle. I think he got the hell out of there for whatever reason, and Blizzard hasn't forgotten about him.

Seeing as how he is the character associated with order, he could easy show up in almost any raid, quest or cut-scene to help the heroes "restore order" and kill whatever baddie is messing with Azeroth.

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Old 04/07/09, 3:02 AM   #2802
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I could see it playing out that his job was to maintain order on Azeroth and he could just go anywhere rather than being confined to the Northrend area which could make him appear somewhere such as Uldum. It could also end up that he died in the past to something.

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Old 04/07/09, 3:15 AM   #2803
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What about the rumors about a coliseum raid, related to the new Argent Tournament: MMO-Champion BlueTracker - Argent Tournament Timing?

At least MMOC thinks it will be a new raid:
The Argent Tournament is at the north of Icecrown, this is a new quest hub created to introduce the upcoming Coliseum raid instance in Patch 3.2
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Anders in EJBSG 27
Boomer the grounded in EJBSG 22 - Ellen/Starbuck/Dee/Tigh in EJBSG 17
Cylon Admiral Dee in EJBSG 13 - Cylon Apollo in EJBSG 8

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Old 04/07/09, 3:47 AM   #2804
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Originally Posted by Masnie View Post
What about the rumors about a coliseum raid, related to the new Argent Tournament: MMO-Champion BlueTracker - Argent Tournament Timing?

At least MMOC thinks it will be a new raid:

Source
MMO Champion speculates just as much as everyone else (and in return a lot of people believe false info) but it has never even been hinted that it will be a raid.

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Old 04/07/09, 9:10 AM   #2805
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I think a 3.2 raid is going to have us back in Outlands, or something similar to attack the home of the dreadlords, with a second shot at Kil'Jaden maybe. There have been hints as far back as blizzcon '07 that they had planed out raids to legion worlds for TBC but went with Sunwell instead. We have the events of wrathgate with Vermathas attempting to summon someone unknown, a few loose threads surrounding the lost windrunner sister, Also Mal'Ganis showing up at the end of a Icecrown quest chain. Perhaps they will tie Arthas in to provide a few threads to a 3.3 Icecrown raid.

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