World of Warcraft - Lore & Storyline discussion [SPOILERS] - Page 19

Ashen · 09/12/08, 5:01 AM

If the majority of this is to take place with the opening of the wrath gate, I get the sense that it COULD be treated like Sunwell Plateau, in that maybe there wouldn't be as much "phasing", in that once the event was complete in its entirety, the state of WoW would remain that way for the rest of the expansion? (A more grounded change in the storyline.)

I could be wrong, but I'm not exactly sure how Blizzard plans to work with Icecrown on live.

Liebestod · 09/12/08, 7:47 AM

Nah, the Wrath gate will be phased. The NPCs disappearing was probably the first obvious encounter with phasing for non-DKs. They still haven't completed the area, however.

Falk · 09/12/08, 8:12 AM

There are Achievements for killing Thrall/Sylvanas/Cairne in WotLK btw, so don't run too far with the speculations about them moving around and/or disappearing outside of quest related one-shots!

Balmafula · 09/12/08, 8:55 AM

I just wanted to add my thoughts regarding the potential deaths and reanimations of Naxx bosses in wrath:

Reanimating most types of undead servitors is a trivial task for the Lich King, particularly constructs. Just get replacement parts, reanimate the essence, and you're good to go. Pretty much anything in Naxx is within the power of the Lich King to reanimate. A lich such as Kel'Thuzad keeps a phylactery as a precautionary measure, as it takes much more power to create them, and thus to reanimate them. A phylactery simply assists in this process, instead of starting from scratch.

I like the idea that was given earlier, that Darion could have gone in himself, acquired the Ashbringer and subsequently been corrupted. Meanwhile we cleared Naxx, handed in the phylactery, and the events at Archerus begin; meanwhile the Lich King is busy reconstructing/reanimating his servants in Naxx. Seeing as the majority of Naxx bosses can simply be reanimated, and the only remotely humanoid ones aren't nearly powerful enough to be more than trivially passing for the Lich King to restore it should be a fair enough explanation.

No clue on how to handle Utgarde and Ashbringer though.

Maax · 09/12/08, 10:11 AM

They continued the DK quest line after the battle at Light's Hope Chapel, and the quest has a hint about what happened with Darion to turn him into a Deathknight:

Taking Back Acherus - Quest - World of Warcraft

Taking Back Acherus

Use your Death Gate spell to return to Acherus: The Ebon Hold. Report to Highlord Darion Mograine once you arrive.
Description
The haze has been lifted. I can see as clearly now as the day that I plunged the Ashbringer into my own heart to free my father's cursed soul: my last memory as a free man.

We must take back Acherus from the Scourge if our order is to survive in this new world. I have taught you how to call forth a death gate. The death gate will return you to Acherus when you call upon it, <name>. Use it now and meet me at Acherus. The first battle of the Knights of the Ebon Blade is underway! Death to the Scourge!
Completion
The Lich King has returned to Northrend, wounded by the Ashbringer, but the second floor still holds the last of his armies.
Gains

The follow up quests involve killing a weak version of Patchwerk and some other scourge in Archeus, then taking a letter from Tirion Fordring vouching for you to Thrall/King Wrynn. Until you deliver the letter you are Unfriendly to all Orgrimarr/Stormwind NPCs, and they spit at you/throw fruit/yell at you. Turning in the letter gives 6000 rep and brings you to Friendly.

Monocle · 09/12/08, 11:21 AM

We should see that happen then in either the third or final issue of the comic series then. Pretty easy to actually lay out how each issue will progress.

Issue 1
Finding of the crystal, forging of the Ashbringer, fall of Loderon. (A lot of the stuf that happened in WC III ad the Expansion are all mentioned and are happening in the background, it's a pretty packed issue.)

Issue 2
Betrayal of Renault, death of Alexandros, rise of the Scarlet Crusade. Likely ends with Alexandros' forced conscription into the Scourge.

Issue 3
Assault on Naxx, Darion getting the Ashbringer.

Issue 4
Darion confronting Renault, and then the above occurring, though that seems like a real downer to end the series, it's only four issues. It may include the entire event by Lighthope, only from Darion's point of view, which would mean some of the above would occur in issue 3. Good chance WotLK would be out by this time too, so it wouldn't be that huge of a game spoiler.

Kumar · 09/12/08, 4:29 PM

Damn, they are killing the younger Saurfang. That makes me sad.

It will be interesting to see how they end up with Saurfang vs Hellscream towards the end of the WoTLK. My guess is in the end they will come together for the Horde.

The Horde storyline is shaping up to be pretty good. Although at this point I am dissapointed that Arthas hasn't relaized that the new Sunwell is here, to me it seems like something he would be interested in too.

Ashen · 09/12/08, 4:37 PM

Well, would it really be that useful to Arthas at this point? From what I gather, if M'uru was cleansed in the power of the Sunwell, it might be more a beacon of light and holy power than anything else at this point. If this is the case, it would be hard for Arthas to use that power methinks.

Monocle · 09/12/08, 4:49 PM

Originally Posted by Ashen

Well, would it really be that useful to Arthas at this point? From what I gather, if M'uru was cleansed in the power of the Sunwell, it might be more a beacon of light and holy power than anything else at this point. If this is the case, it would be hard for Arthas to use that power methinks.

Probally right. Also, remember that there is now a huge population of Paladins watching over the island. It is likely just not worth the time and energy for him to go after it. Why should he when he can now go after the Alliance and Horde who are a bit streached thin after the invasion of Outland and the events on the island?

Mikari · 09/12/08, 6:31 PM

The following spell was added in the last beta push Creature - Yogg-Saron Whisper - Thottbot: World of Warcraft so it does look like there will be more lore related to Yogg-Saron, maybe even having him as a boss considering C'thun also whispered players.

Alerian · 09/12/08, 6:44 PM

My understanding has been that Yogg-Saron is planned as a post-Naxx raid boss. Did someone post a link to YouTube - The Whispers of Yogg-Saron earlier in this thread? Or did I see it somewhere else. I finally got into beta this week and started questing in HF just so I could hear them.

Starfire · 09/12/08, 7:25 PM

Originally Posted by Ashen

Well, would it really be that useful to Arthas at this point? From what I gather, if M'uru was cleansed in the power of the Sunwell, it might be more a beacon of light and holy power than anything else at this point. If this is the case, it would be hard for Arthas to use that power methinks.

Not only M'uru is there, but also K'iru. (M'uru is also a good source for that new phasing quests...)

By the way, Scourge forces still attacking the island. It appears Quel'danas is still too far south for Arthas' power, since only the low level Scourge attacks Quel'Danas.

Azurai · 09/14/08, 2:05 AM

Dunno if this is widely known yet, but for your viewing pleasure I present: Muradin Bronzebeard AKA Yorg Stormhammer, King of the Frostborn. http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f9...ht/muradin.jpg

Emeraude · 09/14/08, 2:51 AM

Originally Posted by Azurai

Dunno if this is widely known yet, but for your viewing pleasure I present: Muradin Bronzebeard AKA Yorg Stormhammer, King of the Frostborn. http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f9...ht/muradin.jpg

Oh my, ummm are there any other details about this? Where the questline is? Storm Peaks? Ice Crown? Do we have to kill him? >_> <_<(Say no please >_<)

Edit: Did some digging.

The Frostborn are a faction of a newly discovered dwarf, the frost dwarves. This mysterious race of dwarves make their home in the Storm Peaks. They've recently befriended members of the Explorers' League and welcome Alliance members within their settlements.

They are lead by Yorg Stormheart, King of the Frostborn, their main base is Frosthold, located in the Storm Peaks.

Looks like they're the friendly types.

*Breathes sigh of relief*

Mikari · 09/14/08, 8:34 AM

Here's the dialogue from the Admiral Westwind questline if anyone is interested.