World of Warcraft - Lore & Storyline discussion [SPOILERS] - Page 203

Liebestod · 04/17/09, 2:17 AM

Yeah, I noticed that too. I think the vision makes it pretty clear that the Old Gods were responsible for Llane's assassination, but I guess this lends strong circumstantial evidence to the idea that it was Yogg-Saron himself who was behind it.

Emeraude · 04/17/09, 2:56 AM

Originally Posted by Liebestod

Yeah, I noticed that too. I think the vision makes it pretty clear that the Old Gods were responsible for Llane's assassination, but I guess this lends strong circumstantial evidence to the idea that it was Yogg-Saron himself who was behind it.

That was all but confirmed in the recent comic book series.

The Twilight Council, which is a band of nut jobs that basically serve the Old Gods, have a phrase that controls Garona, and they used that to force her to assassinate King Llane even though she didn't want to and considered him her closest friend.

There's also the question of who's Garona's child's father.

Myko · 04/17/09, 3:13 AM

I was under the impression the war was escalated in order to create an interesting setting for the live action movie.

Emeraude · 04/17/09, 3:17 AM

Originally Posted by Myko

I was under the impression the war was escalated in order to create an interesting setting for the live action movie.

The movie is going to be based on the first war, not what's happening in WoW.

Thairne · 04/17/09, 6:01 AM

Now where´s that info from? Since the original announcement of a "World of Warcraft Movie" I didn´t hear anything about it. The First War is too far away and to disconnected to the average WoW Player. To get that, you´d have to be familiar with Warcraft1, likely Warcraft 2. WC3 hardly touches on the previous war, not to speak of the very first.

Emeraude · 04/17/09, 6:48 AM

Originally Posted by Thairne

Now where´s that info from? Since the original announcement of a "World of Warcraft Movie" I didn´t hear anything about it. The First War is too far away and to disconnected to the average WoW Player. To get that, you´d have to be familiar with Warcraft1, likely Warcraft 2. WC3 hardly touches on the previous war, not to speak of the very first.

I'm not sure to be honest, from 2007's Blizzcon: "Warcraft is still in the scripting process, but Metzen reported that they have something that they're happy with. The plot was kept under wraps but Metzen told the crowd it would take place about a year before the events of World of Warcraft.

The storyline is "principally told from the Alliance perspective."

Metzen said he was going for an origin story at one point, but they changed their minds. IGN Advertisement

"Originally Blizzard wanted it to be set in the universe of the first RTS Warcraft game with a basic Orcs versus Humans storyline. That was scrapped because of notions that it may be too similar to Lord of the Rings, and that Blizzard felt the Warcraft name has reached its current level of popularity with its MMO, World of Warcraft, as opposed to the RTS games from before, which include three Warcraft titles and various expansion packs. As it stands, the story will incorporate a series of major events from about one year before World of Warcraft, and will be principally told from the perspective of the Alliance."

Aildrik · 04/17/09, 9:06 AM

So now that Yogg Saron has been "killed", it begs the question of what the consequences will be if any. The Titans obviously had the power to exterminate this thing themselves but for reasons unknown it apparently had to be kept alive, according to the intro lore for 3.1/Ulduar.

andastra · 04/17/09, 3:25 PM

Originally Posted by Emeraude

I'm not sure to be honest, from 2007's Blizzcon: "Warcraft is still in the scripting process, but Metzen reported that they have something that they're happy with. The plot was kept under wraps but Metzen told the crowd it would take place about a year before the events of World of Warcraft.

The storyline is "principally told from the Alliance perspective."

Metzen said he was going for an origin story at one point, but they changed their minds. IGN Advertisement

"Originally Blizzard wanted it to be set in the universe of the first RTS Warcraft game with a basic Orcs versus Humans storyline. That was scrapped because of notions that it may be too similar to Lord of the Rings, and that Blizzard felt the Warcraft name has reached its current level of popularity with its MMO, World of Warcraft, as opposed to the RTS games from before, which include three Warcraft titles and various expansion packs. As it stands, the story will incorporate a series of major events from about one year before World of Warcraft, and will be principally told from the perspective of the Alliance."

I don't think a movie based on the first war would be a good idea, either. The average moviegoer wouldn't be receptive to a movie where humans are at war with a non-human species and the humans lost at the end.

evisania · 04/17/09, 5:05 PM

Originally Posted by andastra

I don't think a movie based on the first war would be a good idea, either. The average moviegoer wouldn't be receptive to a movie where humans are at war with a non-human species and the humans lost at the end.

I was going to argue with you about the humans losing, but I looked it up and the First War is considered over with the sacking of Stormwind. Having just read Tides of Darkness, it seemed like one continuous war to me so I didn't realize the events were broken into the First War and Second War. Is this a case where the book deemphasized the passage of time while other lore sources (the RTS game) didn't?

Tirin · 04/17/09, 6:04 PM

Warcraft ended with the razing of Stormwind. Warcraft II started the orc's offensive on Lordearon. It's one continuous assault but they break it into two wars to match Warcraft I and Warcraft II. Although I guess you could argue it's 2 seperate fights, Horde vs. Stormwind and Horde vs. Alliance.

Disappointed but not surprised that the movie will be Alliance-centric. It cuts out most of what makes Warcraft interesting, but expecting people to accept that the orcs and undead aren't necessarily evil would be a risky move.

Emeraude · 04/17/09, 6:59 PM

Originally Posted by evisania

I was going to argue with you about the humans losing, but I looked it up and the First War is considered over with the sacking of Stormwind. Having just read Tides of Darkness, it seemed like one continuous war to me so I didn't realize the events were broken into the First War and Second War. Is this a case where the book deemphasized the passage of time while other lore sources (the RTS game) didn't?

Aye, it's quite confusing really.

First War = Southern Eastern Kingdom(Stormwind) vs Orcish Horde
Second War = Alliance of Lordaeron(Remaining Human Kingdoms, Ironforge/Wildhammers, Quel'Thelas) vs Orcish Horde/Forest Trolls/Goblins(One of the Trade Princes officially joined :P), which also oddly also includes the Alliance sending it's expedition to Outland 1 year after they'd already beaten back the Horde.
Third War = Fall of Lordaeron/Quel'Thelas, Rise of the Lich King, Formation of the New Horde in Kalimdor, Fall of the Legion/Archimonde

Liebestod · 04/17/09, 10:04 PM

Don't forget that Alliance had gnomes and the Horde had Ogres in the second war... :P and I guess red/black dragons as well.

ildon · 04/18/09, 1:16 AM

Originally Posted by Emeraude

Aye, it's quite confusing really.

First War = Southern Eastern Kingdom(Stormwind) vs Orcish Horde
Second War = Alliance of Lordaeron(Remaining Human Kingdoms, Ironforge/Wildhammers, Quel'Thelas) vs Orcish Horde/Forest Trolls/Goblins(One of the Trade Princes officially joined :P), which also oddly also includes the Alliance sending it's expedition to Outland 1 year after they'd already beaten back the Horde.
Third War = Fall of Lordaeron/Quel'Thelas, Rise of the Lich King, Formation of the New Horde in Kalimdor, Fall of the Legion/Archimonde

It's not as confusing when you just cynically accept that they're divided by the games and the in-game characters somehow break the 4th wall and know this. :P

Seelen · 04/18/09, 2:11 AM

On the Yogg topic: While I'm probably one of the first to the table when Titan lore is on the menu, I really can't help but feel bummed that an Old God was just outright 'killed' this way. Barring a future quest-line that reveals something more to it, it seems like a weak excuse for loot. C'thun was an exception in my eyes, seeing as how he was greatly weakened from his full power, and the entire might of the world was bearing down on him(They didn't call it the Might of Kalimdor for nothing, right?). Yogg had no other handicaps, and was more or less free from his prison--he had much more to bring to bear than his brother. Killing him also has no apparent effect on anything as well, even after Brann had the conversation with the Titan data-banks about the Old Gods being malignant parasites, irrevocably lodged into Azeroth. Does anyone else see these or other huge inconsistencies?

Dancing Wu Li Master · 04/18/09, 3:43 AM

Originally Posted by Seelen

Killing him also has no apparent effect on anything as well, even after Brann had the conversation with the Titan data-banks about the Old Gods being malignant parasites, irrevocably lodged into Azeroth. Does anyone else see these or other huge inconsistencies?

Not at all. Yogg-Saron isn't the first Old God to be killed, nor do we have any reason to expect the repercussions to be immediate. The world didn't end when C'thun died, or when the nameless Old God in Darkshore was killed. The "kill the Old Gods and you destroy Azeroth" was said by the Titans, who operate on a different timescale to the moral races. Our "imminent" death might be in tens of thousands of years.