Tinwhisker

I always thought Turalyon was being saved as well, not for a redesigned Outlands, but for one of those "other worlds" that were one of the hot topics of TBC. I could very much see him being set up as leader of some group serving as the antithesis of the Burning Legion, that is they travel from world to world, liberating it's denizens from the Burning Legion or any other force that has conquered them. Culminating with Turalyon spearheading an assault against Sargeras with the aid of the Naaru/Titans/etc.

You're a lot of DPS, you know that? You wanna' earn 14 achievement points the hard way?

 

Bierzkrieg

Thought it's not like the master lizard Deathwing has anything else to do in the Outlands. All his eggs have hatched into now-hostile Netherwings and he already has the best toys available - the Twilight Dragons. Plus, I'd hope even a power-mad (or just plain mad, as TehGlads would say) but millenia-old aspect would have learned the value of not harassing two planets at once. The entire Azeroth is big enough, but another planet and its respective defense forces? Deathwing already lost the War of Ancients on account of going Battle Royale on the other factions involved, and has been defeated in Grim Batol by combined forces, as well. His failures always derive from his inability to appreciate how strong the lowly mortals are when they join forces.

The only Outland-related thing I can think of for Deathwinnie is trying to get revenge on Khadgar. Which, I might add, is entirely legitimate. Seeing as he can't get to the genious author who thought that an Aspect's blood should be controllable by a human mage just because it's molten lava, going for the mage itself is the next best thing.

 

Muggins

Interesting little titbit from Valnoth suggesting that maybe, just maybe, we might have actually fought Tyr but in a corrupted form:

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Why doesn't Tyr have a room in Ulduar?

I wonder what would happen to a watcher if he were to have the Black Blood of Yogg-Saron flowing through his veins?

Edit: For those who aren't fans of clicking links -

Even more added!

 

• Goatbert

I'm usually ok with Blizzard's lore bandaids but this one just kinda pisses me off. Supposing this is true and not just an excuse for forgetting - we couldn't get a hint in game? Maybe a /yell or some loot that hints at his origin? Plus, all the other watchers were corrupted and didn't turn into Faceless ones, though Tyr did go whereever he went willingly. But we know Faceless ones, we've seen them all over the place and its never been suggested they were corrupted versions of other beings.

 

Tyrian

Tyr would be a suitable endboss (or central figure) for the Halls of Origination in Uldum. It might not take place in quite the epic-25 man setting people would like, but it would help tie Uldum and Ulduar together.

I was a little disappointed to learn that Uldum wouldn't feature a 25-man raid. The Titan story arc is epic. An Egyptian architecture framed Titan instance would be a pleasure to raid in, just like Ulduar was. At the risk of sounding a little silly, we have often joked about 'How did General Vezax get into his room, was he lowered in through the ceiling?' Well perhaps the broken ceiling was where Tyr escaped out of, to extrapolate on Valnoth's post. If that was indeed his room.

You can try to make the connection from hints Blizzard dropped at Blizzcon. Uldum houses a rumoured superweapon. Tyr is missing from Ulduar. All the Tyr's fellow watchers were corrupted by Yogg-Saron. General Vezax (may) have have invaded his room. What could you do if you were in Tyr's position?

Escape and head to Uldum to the superweapon, as perhaps the only means of stopping Yogg-Saron. As for whether he ever got to it, activated and/or attempted to use it - would be where the story would continue in Cataclysm. Tyr might have been captured by Deathwing and the Twilight Hammer before he could get to the weapon, he could still be a good guy. Theres many possibilities for where his story direction could go.

General Vezax drops [Aesuga, Hand of the Ardent Champion] and has a bunch of items with names pertaining to light/hope/despair. Although Vezax could very well be Tyr, I'd be more tempted to believe Vezax battled Tyr in his room but he escaped through the roof. The "Aesuga, Hand of the Ardent Champion" might be a little easter egg and indication that when we see Tyr again in Uldum, he'll be missing the hand which Vezax ate off, or the (to paraphrase part of Valnoths post), Or perhaps it's just a metaphor for Vezax taking his weapon. It is amusing to see Blizzard drop these ambiguous hints. The employee making them, the WoW Lead Game Designer, would most certainly know more than he's letting on.

So if people are looking for hints, you could derive them from some of the out-of-place naming on some of Vezax's items. [Vestments of the Piercing Light] and [Belt of Clinging Hope]. Vezax also drops a special Paladin thematic item, [Libram of the Sacred Shield] and the [Flare of the Heavens] . Couple all that with Aesuga, and the idea of Vezax battling a Paladin-themed Tyr in his room doesn't seem all that far fetched.

Whether speculation like that is plausible or not, the concept of Tyr linking Uldum to Ulduar would work very nicely.

 

• VerziehenOne

Well, if we really went extensive ... Ve is a brother of Odin ... and Zax is a 'put holes in the roof' kind of thing .. Tyr is the Norse god(son of Odin) of war and justice,... so put the two together, we get the Brother of Odin who is a fan of putting holes in the roof?

A bit of a stretch with the limited definitions I have offhand, but it seems an interesting coincidence that Ve is as related to Odin as Tyr is. Anyone have any other insights that my limited 'between calls at work' research allows? It may be hidden, but it doesn't mean it's not there.

/sanfordandson 'buh buh bway nuh ... buh buh bway nuh bwuh nay bwuh'

 

Leviathon

For the concept maps yellow boxes are used for mob camps, white circles are neutral bases (apparently none , red circles are Horde bases and blue circles are Alliance bases. The only 2 places with neutral camps seem to be Deephom with the Earthen and Twilight Highlands with the Red Dragons. Uldum may have some since no bases are even labeled on that map.

It is possible that the person who made the leak misinterpreted the part about who kills Cairne also. For example the goblins weren't enslaved by Deathwing but the story had them being enslaved by trolls in the past so maybe the person who got the info just made up his own story to fill in the part he didn't have about the goblins.

A good way to create more reason for war and to explain the wall at the entrance to Mulgore could be that Varian's forces invaded Mulgore and killed Cairne for example before being fought back.

When TBC was announced we were supposed to see the portals in Outland used to go to Legion worlds and meet them but that never happened. When WotLK was announced they then mentioned that they would patch in the Legion worlds where we would at least meet Alleria at the end of the TBC cycle or shortly after WotLK release but they once again didn't (least not yet) do that. Wonder if they will ever get to having us see at least one of them.

Will be interesting to see him possibly play a big part in Uldum. With the location of Uldum being so close to Ahn'Qiraj then it may even play out that the place had/has some connection to C'Thun also.

 

Tyrian

I don't think Blizzard would have planned this in advance: but they could now say the Gates to Uldum we see in Tanaris where broken because thats where Tyr broke in. (After his escape from Ulduar)

 

Leviathon

They already mentioned that the path to Uldum broke open due to the Catacylsm.

 

Itzena

Actually I seem to remember him saying something along the lines of "Who said the next Aspect of Magic had to have scales?" in response to the whole "So is it going to be Kalecgos or some other blue?" line of questioning.

Seriously, Med'an can use shamanism, arcane magic and holy magic at an instinctual level and with little-to-no formal training. Throw in his...mixed bloodline and the fact that most people seem to be assuming that he's going to end up as the next Guardian and it's a perfect set-up for someone to chuck him the Heart of Magic instead.

This also then neatly ties up the loose ends of "Why would Thrall be Guardian when Med'an is clearly a better candidate?". As to why Thrall could step down as Warchief and take up the mantle of Guardian, I'm going to guess that it's going to be some sort of "We need a Guardian right now" emergency and Thrall doing the Right Thing (instead of the smart thing).

 

Emeraude

I agree with Itzena's interpretation. There was a mention of Malygos and his effects on magi in the last issue of Warcraft, I thought of it as foreshadowing myself for something other then just an excuse to include other casters into the newly formed Council of Tirisfal.

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Tyrian

No. Unless i'm mistaken, they mentioned that Uldum was revealed due to the Cataclysm breaking its Titan cloaking machinery. The door in Tanaris before it, which was shattered and been in the game for 5 years, doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what was said about Uldum getting revealed by the Cataclysm.

 

Thorgrim

EDIT: Sorry, redundant post.

 

Duilliath

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Why doesn't Tyr have a room in Ulduar?

Suppose that might mean we can forget about Tyr showing up in Uldum.

An thenn tehy wuz al ded. Srsly. (Exodus 1)

 

Emeraude

Unless it's Kisirani, you really shouldn't put much stock, if any into any of the Community Managers that post about anything related to lore, they most of the time just say stuff to cause discussion and speculation, and none of it is set in stone, and half the time it's not serious, like said thread.

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Leviathon

Valnoth is a developer just like Kisirani. Most likely he is Alex Afrasiabi since he is the Lead World Designer (so he has a LOT to do with the lore we see in game).

Considering there is a pathway to Tanaris on the Uldum map then it is pretty likely we enter the zone through there,

 

Shaewyn

Here's the problem... Who's Med'an?



Seeing as how killing the aspect of magic was an in-game event, performed and based on in-game lore that most players experienced/were exposed to, it seems kind of silly to draw in a total unknown and use them to fill Malygos' spot. I mean, it makes just as much sense (to the majority of players who do not read the comic) to choose Cartman from south park to be the new aspect of magic. In fact, it may make more sense, as I'm fairly certain more WoW players have seen the WoW South Park episode than have read the comic.

Unless I'm totally wrong and Med'an appears in game in a meaningful context, he would need to be introduced and built up in game to be as powerful/wise/whatever as an ancient blue dragon (before the insanity took hold). The other option is that the position as "aspect of magic" becomes a solely comic-based position and is not really dealt with in-game any more.

Actually, just thinking about it, I think that it might make a pretty cool event for the blue door in the chamber of aspects - escort/protect/whatever the new aspect as he's "imbued"/installed.

 

Bierzkrieg

Well, if the cloaking device broke, then it's plausible that a door might have shattered, as well. Either that or, like in Ulduar, raiders can expect a Twilight Hammer welcoming party halfway in.

On the "how and why does Cairne die?", I truly hope Varian doesn't attempt to Gengis Khan his way into Thunderbluff. Mainly because I don't think he'd be stupid enough to do it - he's not Garrosh, no matter how much I dislike the guy, he's martial-minded, not a delusional glory-seeker. Secondly, because it's much more interesting for Cairne to be murdered as a "first act" of Garrosh's management - assuming there is one.

Either way, blaze of glory for old Cairne is the way to go. Orcs, humans, a black dragon, just let him die in a hellish fight. Mortal remains are for cowards.

 

Bierzkrieg

Med'han is well on his way to kill C'thun. Azerothians queueing for autographs will surely follow.

 

Renew

Pretty sure Furor knows more than Caydiem.

Most likely it is a slight cover for possible time they did not have, but then again he might be just trolling.

Confidence is not Arrogance.

 

Rhaegal

To play the Devil's Advocate for a moment, let me ask another question: As long as we're talking about having major events happening with/to major lore characters that the majority of players had heard of, how many people had heard of Malygos prior to the Nexus War stuff in WotLK? Prior to WotLK, the dragon Aspects weren't really commonly known among people who don't go out of their way to dig up lore, aside from a few hints here and there. Neltharion/Deathwing is obviously the most apparent if only as the father of two big bad guys from Classic and being vaguely behind the Netherwing stuff, and enough quests and events have happened regarding the Emerald Dream that people may have heard a bit about Ysera. Nozdormu is known to people who were around for the AQ40 opening event, and I'm sure his name came up once or twice during Caverns of Time related bits. Alexstrasza's name came up in flavor text in the Vael encounter, but was she anywhere else in game prior to 3.0? Out of the five, Malygos had the least face time in WoW prior to 3.0.

Take another example. Darion Mograine is a pretty big deal in WotLK, arguably as big of a deal as Tirion Fordring himself as the other side of the same coin, yet his existence had only been hinted at prior to WotLK as far as I know.

Anyway, my point is that there is certainly precedent for Blizzard to patch in a new major pro/antagonist in a new expansion cycle, and people tend to roll with it pretty well.

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Wyldthang

Except it wasn't a Community Manager posting, it was WoW's lead developer. That might give it a little more weight...

 

Emeraude

Wow, three of you jumped on me for that slip up.

Yes, Furor would know indeed. I just read the posts themselves and didn't see the sig, and they had that usual Community Manager tone of goofiness, and the CMs had talked about Tyr before and basically said "Maybe he left before-hand, you don't know" that usually doesn't lead to a lore tie-in or anything official, so yeah, my mistake.

Still, is that what we should accept as the answer for Tyr? He is in fact Vezax?

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Leviathon

Darion didn't even exist before WotLK. Darion is a good example though of how they can make up a character and flesh out the story real well in-game and outside the game.

 

Darian_TruBlade

It's probable, but not necessarily the case. The obfuscation is an obvious, if often effective, way for Blizzard to drop or pick up the subject at their leisure and convenience. They never explicitly said he was, even if it is heavily hinted. If they want to use him for something later they'll be able to without much brouhaha, and if they don't the interest is essentially stemmed.

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