Well glancing at it I don't think it's derived from Sindarin like a few of the other Elvish phrases (though they seem to have moved away from that kind of blatant use of the language). Knowing the character of Vareesa though I would hazard a guess that it either has to do with her sisters, her homeland, or her husband. Or the kids.
EDIT: Speaking of, where are the kids? I don't think I've seen them running around Dalaran.
It's a reference to Day of the Dragon where Deathwing attempts to pose as a Lord Prestor in order to marry Calia and gain control of Alterac. Though, if I'm not mistaken, this is the first time that Calia's actually been mentioned outside of Day of Dragon. I'm not even sure if there's any reference to her surviving the fall of Lordaeron or not.
There's nothing, Chris Metzen was kind of reminded about her at Blizzcon, where he jokingly said he forgot about her.
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It's actually more likely to be Thalassian, Vareesa is a High Elf after all. That doesn't really help much though, as the word list I could find for Thalassian also doesn't contain any of the words, and it uses the exact same method as Darnassian in-game to "translate" to Thalassian if you decide to speak it.
Who knows. None of this will probably happen. But it's an avenue of redemption which people seem to neglect.
It's not that improbable really. If Arthas gets redemption then he will most likely die while doing so. While it would be really interesting to keep him alive, we all know that RedemptionEqualsDeath most of the time (minor TV spoilers). :P
Originally Posted by Liebestod
And I'm reading over the Warcraft comics about Varian Wrynn now... he fought in all of like two arena matches, and he didn't even hate it... and they go and turn him into a horde-hating anti-Thrall? Does not compute.
Have to agree here. I read the comics as well (well, up to issue 11 or so I think) and it wasn't really clear why he came to hate to be a gladiator. On the other hand, the fact that both him and Thrall are gladiators but still chose such different paths is great. I guess Wrynn needs a new girl because we all know why Thrall turned out to be such a sissy in the end, right? <_<
Actually, the "razing" of Orgrimmar will be part of the event that takes place pre-Wrath, in 3.0. I fully expect testing of that event to go live on the PTRs in the next week.
From what I understand about the language translation there's basically no way to work out what was said; lots of words "translate" to the same themed gibberish.
"You have no idea what it's like to have done the things that I've done... and to care." - Angel.
His character was well developed, and eerily similar to Arthas(Young and stupid, gets soul taken, does unspeakable horrors.....gets soul back?) Le Sigh, I can dream darn it. I also liked Angel because at times his darker side would make an appearance despite having a soul restored. Which is also why I think Arthas back in the Alliance on any level would be awesome, yeah he has issues and is cold, but he gets stuff done and can peer into true darkness that others have no clue about.
And yes, I'd say Taretha is probably one of the largest reasons that Thrall is always reluctant to outright slaughter the Humans. Blackmoore was the worst of what Humans had to offer, while Taretha showed him kindness and love.
Varian on the other hand was forced to fight as a Gladiator for a few months(the comic doesn't show all the fights, surely you don't think they became top-notch fighters that learned to work as a team after 2 matches? ). In addition he never saw anything resembling the kindness or love that Thrall was shown by Taretha. It's easy to see how he would come to hate the Horde based on his experience as their captive.
I hear Jaina's available, and on the rebound.
Varian just attacked Thrall, her BFF. Somehow I don't think he's Jaina's type.
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And who was saying the "old girlfriend" couldn't be part of Arthas' redemption?
Arugal's made me chuckle the most.
If you'll note, most of the coins have ironic/tragic double meanings. Jaina is probably one of them i.e. made before lost boyfriend became the destroyer of all life. It really should be read more like Arugal's than any hint of Arthas being redeemed.
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I'm somewhat disappointed that Arthas doesn't seem to have an opinion on Sylvanas getting betrayed, in light of her "betrayal" that created the Forsaken in the first place. Although Sylvanas has probably become a little less ironic to him now that she's been reworked to be the despairing elf/Forsaken queen instead of the Lich Queen Ascendant Evil Overlord you were getting with the RAS quests in WoW 1.0.
Have to agree here. I read the comics as well (well, up to issue 11 or so I think) and it wasn't really clear why he came to hate to be a gladiator. On the other hand, the fact that both him and Thrall are gladiators but still chose such different paths is great. I guess Wrynn needs a new girl because we all know why Thrall turned out to be such a sissy in the end, right? <_<
True. That actually makes sense now how Thrall and Varian take two different paths. Thrall through his days actually was able to befriend Humans, while Varian didn't. So Thrall has seen the good side of the Humans, while Varian hasn't seen the same of the Orcs.
But he does refer to Sylvanas as a witch, so I can't wait to go down to Stormwind and kill him.
I'm somewhat disappointed that Arthas doesn't seem to have an opinion on Sylvanas getting betrayed, in light of her "betrayal" that created the Forsaken in the first place. Although Sylvanas has probably become a little less ironic to him now that she's been reworked to be the despairing elf/Forsaken queen instead of the Lich Queen Ascendant Evil Overlord you were getting with the RAS quests in WoW 1.0.
Well, how would he know she got betrayed? From what I can see of the Wrath Gate, no one survived there. Seemingly only The Dragon Queen can show us what happened there.
I still think (and pray) that Sylvanas shoots the last arrow for the Horde Icecrown raid with Lament of the Highborne singing in the background.
Well, how would he know she got betrayed? From what I can see of the Wrath Gate, no one survived there. Seemingly only The Dragon Queen can show us what happened there.
Do we know yet what comes "after" the events of the Wrath Gate and the subsequent Undercity malarkey with Varian and Thrall in the lore? How do get from the deaths of Saurfang and Bolvar to the events of a raid killing Arthas? What lore is interposed between these two events?
(I'm assuming that the supposition that level increase = time passing is actually valid of course)
Originally Posted by Kumar
I still think (and pray) that Sylvanas shoots the last arrow for the Horde Icecrown raid with Lament of the Highborne singing in the background.
That would be poetic justice to say the least. It would, I guess, also be pretty much the "end of WoW" (haha, but certainly from a lore perspective)...until the next expansion (which is a whole different kettle of fish of course)
Well, how would he know she got betrayed? From what I can see of the Wrath Gate, no one survived there. Seemingly only The Dragon Queen can show us what happened there.
You kill a few thousand people on a borderline omnipresent death god's front doorstep, one would think he would notice.
You kill a few thousand people on a borderline omnipresent death god's front doorstep, one would think he would notice.
You would know that the people died, you don't know that it was a betrayal of Sylvanas that caused it.
Do we know yet what comes "after" the events of the Wrath Gate and the subsequent Undercity malarkey with Varian and Thrall in the lore? How do get from the deaths of Saurfang and Bolvar to the events of a raid killing Arthas? What lore is interposed between these two events?
(I'm assuming that the supposition that level increase = time passing is actually valid of course)
The strongest connection between the two events will be that initially the Horde and Alliance were working together at the Wrathgate as it was beleived the Lich King would run over a fighting Alliance/Horde force there. We do not know how the Varian-Thrall events play out later on in Icecrown though. If the assault against Icecrown Citadel will be a combined or split up remains a mystery to me.
The strongest connection between the two events will be that initially the Horde and Alliance were working together at the Wrathgate as it was beleived the Lich King would run over a fighting Alliance/Horde force there. We do not know how the Varian-Thrall events play out later on in Icecrown though. If the assault against Icecrown Citadel will be a combined or split up remains a mystery to me.
There is one interesting tidbit that gets dropped in the Horde/Alliance versions of some quest - namely, that the Alliance apparently tried to blitz Icecrown Citadel, and were (depending on whether you talk to the Horde or the Alliance) woefully underprepared and brutally repulsed, or merely suffered some unexpected setbacks.
Can't help but notice the immense size of that huge Vrykul citadel on the western coast of Icecrown. It's possibly one of the largest structures I've ever seen in-game; almost as large as Icecrown Citadel itself. Gotta wonder how much content they intend on putting in there.
"You have no idea what it's like to have done the things that I've done... and to care." - Angel.
His character was well developed, and eerily similar to Arthas(Young and stupid, gets soul taken, does unspeakable horrors.....gets soul back?) Le Sigh, I can dream darn it. I also liked Angel because at times his darker side would make an appearance despite having a soul restored. Which is also why I think Arthas back in the Alliance on any level would be awesome, yeah he has issues and is cold, but he gets stuff done and can peer into true darkness that others have no clue about.
And yes, I'd say Taretha is probably one of the largest reasons that Thrall is always reluctant to outright slaughter the Humans. Blackmoore was the worst of what Humans had to offer, while Taretha showed him kindness and love.
Varian on the other hand was forced to fight as a Gladiator for a few months(the comic doesn't show all the fights, surely you don't think they became top-notch fighters that learned to work as a team after 2 matches? ). In addition he never saw anything resembling the kindness or love that Thrall was shown by Taretha. It's easy to see how he would come to hate the Horde based on his experience as their captive.
On the third hand ( ), Varian didn't have the majority of his people shoved into prison camps and left to rot, neither did he have his pseudo-sister beheaded in front of him by a ranking member of the opposed faction.
My opinion/speculation: King Wrynn is being set up as the next Lich King. Picture it - finale of Icecrown as another climatic event with pretty much every racial leader there as part of the grand finale, Arthas falls...and Wrynn starts hearing whispers urging him to pick up the sword and helm so that he finally has enough power to commit the genocide which he has vowed.
And Lich king Varian's rain of terror lasts approximately five minutes as the raid and faction leaders simply kill him?
As amusing as it would be I think the Lich king has done enough body swapping, it would get lame to defeat him over and over only to have him jump hosts. Not to mention that becoming the lich king infront of the army that just killed him would be suicidally stupid and there's no way people are just going to leave powerful artifacts such as frostmourne and the armor just lying around as they go home patting each other on the back. That crap has to be destroyed one ring style.
Originally Posted by Relwin
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You could probably work up a pretty good excuse for Varian to grab the sword and not be immediately struck down. Imagine something like this:
Lich King Arthas: This is... not over....
*dies*
Thrall: The Lich King has fallen! We have victory!
Varian: The monstrosities of the frozen north have been destroyed. Now let us finish cleansing this land! Attack the Horde my brothers!
*Thrall and Varian fight, Thrall smacks him around a while, then disarms him. Varian's sword goes flying*
Thrall: We have ended one war today. Do not start this one again.
Varian: I will do whatever it takes to see your foul race ended orc! (cue dramatic music)
*Varian grabs Frostmourne from the fallen Lich King, presses the attack against Thrall. Varian drives him back, while the Horde forces are beset by Scourge on one side and the Alliance on the other. Thrall and the Horde are forced to retreat*
Varian: Victory for the Scourge! Er, um, Alliance! Yeah.
I find it funny to say that no one would just leave powerful artifacts like Frostmourne and the armour lying around when I fully expect a bunch of random people (i.e., the players, us) to walk off with pieces of the Lich King's armour (and possibly Frostmourne, though it remains to be seen what Blizz will do with the sword).
Lore-wise you're quite right, of course (though the scenario outlined above works fine as a way around it).
The player isn't a "random person" per se. If you follow your progress as you've levelled up, you've become a Hero. You've slain many important foes from Van Cleef to Arthas (at that stage) and are on personal terms with faction leaders and other established heroes.
Just because there are 24 of you doesn't mean that in the world revolving around you, you aren't the hero.
Originally Posted by Ulthwithian
Paladins do have an ability to heal multiple people at once. It's called Divine Storm. ><
In regards to this post, the reward you get is a coin in the mail: Titanium Seal of Dalaran, which performs an animation and emote when used. Your character flips the coin, and the result (Heads or Tails) is expressed in a local emote. Essentially, it's a really, really cool way to perform the "/random 2" action.
I find it funny to say that no one would just leave powerful artifacts like Frostmourne and the armour lying around when I fully expect a bunch of random people (i.e., the players, us) to walk off with pieces of the Lich King's armour (and possibly Frostmourne, though it remains to be seen what Blizz will do with the sword).
Given that players have received Ashkandi, Atiesh, Gorehowl, the Skull of Gul'dan and the Warglaives, I'm going to be disappointed and surprised if Blizzard don't let players get Frostmourne.
Given that players have received Ashkandi, Atiesh, Gorehowl, the Skull of Gul'dan and the Warglaives, I'm going to be disappointed and surprised if Blizzard don't let players get Frostmourne.
"I'm the Lich King, lol"
Goodness that Blizzcon image is burned into my memory. -_-
It's not just the sword though, technically his armor is Legendary as well, since it wasn't until Arthas placed the entire armor on combined with Frostmourne did he become one with Ner'zhul.
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In regards to this post, the reward you get is a coin in the mail: Titanium Seal of Dalaran, which performs an animation and emote when used. Your character flips the coin, and the result (Heads or Tails) is expressed in a local emote. Essentially, it's a really, really cool way to perform the "/random 2" action.
This one screams for two-faced flavor text
I highly doubt that players will be able to loot Frostmourn, given it's "secondary" effects.
I wonder though, what legendaries we will see in WoTLK.
They'll probably let you use a 'cleansed' version of Frostmourn. Reverse Ashbringer if you will. "How else would we prevent the sword from falling into the hands of evil? Send some gnomes to throw it into the volcano at Blackrock?"
A question to the Wrathgate line, I read there was a quest to retrieve Bolvar's shield. What I'm wondering is, what happened to the body? State funeral? Bloody Corpse? Or just plain missing...
It would be absolutely evil if we had to fight a raised Deathknight version of Bolvar in IceCrown or something.
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