Sweet Jesus, I was hoping they'd replicate the tease of this type of technology they showed us in Magister's Terrance, this was extremely awesome. =o
Saurfang is killed by Arthas, and Frostmourne claims his soul. Bolvar however is killed by the Forsaken/Putress and their new plague. I see nothing of Varimarthas though. The losses look equal to both sides, Horde/Alliance alike. Bolvar dies to the Forsaken's plague. =/ The reds arrive and annihilate the Forsaken and then the plague/forces on the ground that are dead/dying to the plague already.
Putress has an awesome voice.
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Only seem to be getting sound, any idea what video codec it's using?
That is totally excellent; between phasing and cinematics they're doing a lot to cure any problems they might have had with a static world.
Also, with Saurfang the Younger's soul being claimed, it's not a stretch now to assume we'll be seeing him as a boss in Icecrown (or at least as a presence of some kind).
Arthas seems to be weakened by his little foray into the mist. Perhaps this could be a lead-in to how a bunch of us are going to kill one of the strongest beings in existance.
The cutscene is super-cool and I hope that they have more like it in the future. Future expansions, that is. Though maybe I can hold out for one being at the end of the Matthias questline as well.
And it all but confirms that originally Sylvanas was going to betray the Horde, but it was changed and Putress was substituted in for Sylvanas (he even says the same lines that she did in the unused sound files.) I still think it would've been a lot better had she betrayed the Horde (as I think she would've in order to get a shot at Arthas), but... still cool, eh?
Arthas seems to be weakened by his little foray into the mist. Perhaps this could be a lead-in to how a bunch of us are going to kill one of the strongest beings in existance.
It really makes the dreadlords look like complete chumps. Arthas "kills" them and after years of plotting their revenge they've manged to give him a cough.
The cutscene is super-cool and I hope that they have more like it in the future. Future expansions, that is. Though maybe I can hold out for one being at the end of the Matthias questline as well.
And it all but confirms that originally Sylvanas was going to betray the Horde, but it was changed and Putress was substituted in for Sylvanas (he even says the same lines that she did in the unused sound files.) I still think it would've been a lot better had she betrayed the Horde (as I think she would've in order to get a shot at Arthas), but... still cool, eh?
Actually it was never proven Sylvanas actually said those words, people found the subtitles for the cinematic in the datafiles(They had no names next to each) and because Sylvanas is mentioned by Arthas, it was inferred that she was the one speaking for the Forsaken. Keep in mind Putress has also been mentioned in said betrayal since those hidden subtitles came out as well. It's completely possible that this is how it was supposed to originally go down.
Though I'm sure I'll be arguing with people for the next 6-12 months about how "It really was supposed to happen originally" now.
Actually I'll take it a step further, this proves that Sylvanas WASN'T supposed to be there. She's with the Warchief in Orgrimmar. While Putress betrayed the Horde at Wrathgate, Varimarthas made his move in the Undercity, which is why Sylvanas is with him there instead of at Northrend, and both of their betrayals are documented as such.
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Wow, just finished watching the movie now. It's incredibly well done and I hope to see more of this on lore rich fights like Malygos.
Two things I noticed: Putress is not a woman (for some reason I imagined Putress to be a girl, maybe because of the name? :P) and the fact that, yes, he is the substitute for Sylvanas. He even says her name when they show Putress giving the command to let loose the Plague (at ~2:48).
Originally Posted by Emeraude
Actually I'll take it a step further, this proves that Sylvanas WASN'T supposed to be there. She's with the Warchief in Orgrimmar. While Putress betrayed the Horde at Wrathgate, Varimarthas made his move in the Undercity, which is why Sylvanas is with him there instead of at Northrend, and both of their betrayals are documented as such.
Then why does Arthas say "Sylvanas" when Putress is being shown? It's not like he wasn't refering to all Orcish Warriors as "Thrall" either. <_<
I really doubt all this is a coincidence.
The cutscene reminds me of Lord of the Rings. Wrathgate evokes The Black Gate (Morgannon). The dragons evokes "the eagles are coming!" Not that reminding me of LotR is a bad thing...
Wow, just finished watching the movie now. It's incredibly well done and I hope to see more of this on lore rich fights like Malygos.
Two things I noticed: Putress is not a woman (for some reason I imagined Putress to be a girl, maybe because of the name? :P) and the fact that, yes, he is the substitute for Sylvanas. He even says her name when they show Putress giving the command to let loose the Plague (at ~2:48).
I think you guys are reading too much into this. He says her name because she's the one who leads the Forsaken. -_- Her vengeance came back to bite Arthas, and he knows this, which is why he says "Sylvanas....."
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Then why does Arthas say "Sylvanas" when Putress is being shown? It's not like he wasn't refering to all Orcish Warriors as "Thrall" either. <_<
I really doubt all this is a coincidence.
He doesn't know Thrall personally. Sylvanas on the other hand....he KNOWS who the Forsaken answer to, and just how much she hates him.
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Wow, just finished watching the movie now. It's incredibly well done and I hope to see more of this on lore rich fights like Malygos.
Two things I noticed: Putress is not a woman (for some reason I imagined Putress to be a girl, maybe because of the name? :P) and the fact that, yes, he is the substitute for Sylvanas. He even says her name when they show Putress giving the command to let loose the Plague (at ~2:48).
Yeah I am seriously thinking that he went above the chain of command here and went out on his own and saw a chance to wound the Lich King and took the chance and possibly knew the risks, even though I am sure that he doesn't care about what other lives might have been at risk here. Love the animation here, wonderfully done.
After watching it a second time I almost wish they had the time to make this a full CGI cutscene (and honestly, I would like this much more as the opening sequence than the current one).
It's very interesting the direction they've taken Wrath. The game is so much more mature than the previous expansion. We have the deaths of main characters, wholesale slaughter, betrayal... there's even a quest in Howling Fjord to mutilate the bodies of dead enemies so they can't rise up in undeath. It's a refreshing change from the touchy-feely "let's all be friends" attitude of TBC.
After watching it a second time I almost wish they had the time to make this a full CGI cutscene (and honestly, I would like this much more as the opening sequence than the current one).
It's very interesting the direction they've taken Wrath. The game is so much more mature than the previous expansion. We have the deaths of main characters, wholesale slaughter, betrayal... there's even a quest in Howling Fjord to mutilate the bodies of dead enemies so they can't rise up in undeath. It's a refreshing change from the touchy-feely "let's all be friends" attitude of TBC.
Parental feeling be damned, we're trying to tell a compelling story here! I agree though, a full CG movie would have been much more amazing, but they've proved that they can convey emotion just as well with in-game footage for an in-game cut-scene that won't detract from the flow of the game itself.
Actually it was never proven Sylvanas actually said those words, people found the subtitles for the cinematic in the datafiles(They had no names next to each) and because Sylvanas is mentioned by Arthas, it was inferred that she was the one speaking for the Forsaken. Keep in mind Putress has also been mentioned in said betrayal since those hidden subtitles came out as well. It's completely possible that this is how it was supposed to originally go down.
No, there are soundfiles in the .mpq of a female Forsaken saying "Death to the Scourge! And death to the living!" It was assumed by everyone to be Sylvanas. But now the same lines are said by Putress, who is clearly not the original person meant to speak those lines. So unless Putress was supposed to be a female who sounded just like Sylvanas that was switched to a male for some reason, it's extremely clear that Sylvanas was originally meant to say those lines.
And yea, the fact that Putress refers to the "Hour of the Forsaken" as opposed to the "Hour of the Royal Apothecaries" or whatever, that Varithamas doesn't show up, and that Arthas mutters "Sylvanas" lends strong circumstantial evidence to the idea that originally this would be an official Forsaken revolt lead by Sylvanas. They just patched things up when they changed the plot for whatever reasons. Literally all they had to do to change this from involving Sylvanas to Putress is get some new voices and replace Sylvanas' model in the cutscene, and I imagine that this is what they did.
No, there are soundfiles in the .mpq of a female Forsaken saying "Death to the Scourge! And death to the living!" It was assumed by everyone to be Sylvanas. But now the same lines are said by Putress, who is clearly not the original person meant to speak those lines. So unless Putress was supposed to be a female who sounded just like Sylvanas that was switched to a male for some reason, it's extremely clear that Sylvanas was originally meant to say those lines.
And yea, the fact that Putress refers to the "Hour of the Forsaken" as opposed to the "Hour of the Royal Apothecaries" or whatever, that Varithamas doesn't show up, and that Arthas mutters "Sylvanas" lends strong circumstantial evidence to the idea that originally this would be an official Forsaken revolt lead by Sylvanas. They just patched things up when they changed the plot for whatever reasons. Literally all they had to do to change this from involving Sylvanas to Putress is get some new voices and replace Sylvanas' model in the cutscene, and I imagine that this is what they did.
*Boggle* There were no sound files, there were subtitles for this cinematic. The entire "It was supposed to be Sylvanas" is a pretense based upon nothing solid. -_-
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Wow, just finished watching the movie now. It's incredibly well done and I hope to see more of this on lore rich fights like Malygos.
Two things I noticed: Putress is not a woman (for some reason I imagined Putress to be a girl, maybe because of the name? :P) and the fact that, yes, he is the substitute for Sylvanas. He even says her name when they show Putress giving the command to let loose the Plague (at ~2:48).
Then why does Arthas say "Sylvanas" when Putress is being shown? It's not like he wasn't refering to all Orcish Warriors as "Thrall" either. <_<
I really doubt all this is a coincidence.
Because they refer to the Forsaken and Arthas doesn't know that Varimathas has taken over UC and thrown out Sylvanas. Also, is that really Putress? I though Putress was in UC during the retaking of the UC event.
Yeah I am seriously thinking that he went above the chain of command here and went out on his own and saw a chance to wound the Lich King and took the chance and possibly knew the risks, even though I am sure that he doesn't care about what other lives might have been at risk here. Love the animation here, wonderfully done.
The reason I doubt that is because while they were unleashing the Plague at the Wrathgate, Varimathas was taking over UC. Varimathas and Putress were working together on this and they planned it accordingly. The Plan obviously seemed to have been to kill Sylvanas but she is able to escape (as she is an awesome ranger). So, I don't think Sylvanas knew that this Plague existed (atleast at such an advanced stage).
And yea, the fact that Putress refers to the "Hour of the Forsaken" as opposed to the "Hour of the Royal Apothecaries" or whatever, that Varithamas doesn't show up, and that Arthas mutters "Sylvanas" lends strong circumstantial evidence to the idea that originally this would be an official Forsaken revolt lead by Sylvanas. They just patched things up when they changed the plot for whatever reasons.
Varimathas would never show up at Wrathgate if he was planning to take over UC. According to what I remember between the Thrall/Sylvanas-Jaina exchange, while Putress betrayed them at Wrathgate, Varimathas was taking over UC at the same time.
As such, I am glad Sylvanas is not a part of the betrayal. Because the event to retake UC with Thrall and her is awesome. Also, I don't want Blizzard to break either the Horde or the Alliance structure, it is already clear that the Alliance structure is more closely knit than the Horde one (in terms of Lore atleast).
Definitely need more of these cinematics.
Edit: Arthas has no clue about the Burning Legion aspect of the betrayal, and there is no indication that he knew about Mal'Ganis's presence on Northrend especially in Icecrown zone.
The fact that it is Arthas who kills Younger Saurfang (and gets his soul) could point to him being a future Scourge/DK boss in Icecrown Citadel (would be very said to have to kill a Saurfang, but I guess it would be the only way to allow Allaince to actually kill a Saurfang). Bolvar on the other hand died to the Plague, so we probably won't see him as a Boss.
And yea, the fact that Putress refers to the "Hour of the Forsaken" as opposed to the "Hour of the Royal Apothecaries" or whatever, that Varithamas doesn't show up, and that Arthas mutters "Sylvanas" lends strong circumstantial evidence to the idea that originally this would be an official Forsaken revolt lead by Sylvanas. They just patched things up when they changed the plot for whatever reasons. Literally all they had to do to change this from involving Sylvanas to Putress is get some new voices and replace Sylvanas' model in the cutscene, and I imagine that this is what they did.
Just wild speculation:
Sylvanas has recently come across a number of things that tied her back to her old life pre-banshee. The Lament of the Highborne is a major event that showcases this. She also could have taken a field trip to Dalaran and visited her sister and the kids (where are they!?). Maybe she decided "hey, maybe killing every soul in the word isn't the best idea". In effect she gets cold feet at the last moment.
Enter Putress (I thought he was a she, heh). He sees Sylvanas preparing to waste all their efforts over the last 4 (?) years and says "no way, she obviously doesn't speak for the true Forsaken anymore, we'll do it without her". Varimathras, who naturally hates Sylvanas, would be more than happy to help out.
Thus, rebellion. Putress thinks he is acting for the "true forsaken" and that could explain his "for the forsaken!" lines in the movie.
I doubt it, I believe she knew it existed and the full potential of it, the only thing Putress did was use it on the Alliance and Horde armies.
From all the quest lines, I do not remember seeing any confirmation of the "testing" of the plague having been confirmed as a grand success.
I still don't think Sylvanas ever planned to betray the Horde/Alliance army, it was Putress's decision and Varithamas probably made him do it (remember the betrayal and the taking over of UC are TIED together here).
As the combined Horde and Alliance forces began their assault upon Angrathar the Wrath Gate, an uprising broke out in the Undercity. Varimathras and hordes of his demonic brethren overran the city, slaying all those who would not submit to their dark rule. Sylvanas herself was nearly killed in the coup, but managed to escape with a number of loyalists and fled to Orgrimmar.
I am still waiting to see if Sylvanas wills how up in Northrend (as was originally hinted), I don't beleive anybody has seen her there yet.
Sylvanas has recently come across a number of things that tied her back to her old life pre-banshee. The Lament of the Highborne is a major event that showcases this. She also could have taken a field trip to Dalaran and visited her sister and the kids (where are they!?). Maybe she decided "hey, maybe killing every soul in the word isn't the best idea". In effect she gets cold feet at the last moment.
Enter Putress (I thought he was a she, heh). He sees Sylvanas preparing to waste all their efforts over the last 4 (?) years and says "no way, she obviously doesn't speak for the true Forsaken anymore, we'll do it without her". Varimathras, who naturally hates Sylvanas, would be more than happy to help out.
Thus, rebellion. Putress thinks he is acting for the "true forsaken" and that could explain his "for the forsaken!" lines in the movie.
Your wild speculation makes sense, though quests to back it up would be helpful. Sylvanas did know of her Royal A. Society making a plague, not getting around that one.
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I still don't think Sylvanas ever planned to betray the Horde/Alliance army, it was Putress's decision and Varithamas probably made him do it (remember the betrayal and the taking over of UC are TIED together here).
Is it proven that both events happen at the exact same time? I was under the impression that the mutiny in UC happens after the Wrathgate event since you need to travel back to your faction leader from the Wrathgate to tell him the news of what happened. And from the Horde quest transcripts you arrive while the invasion of UC is still in the process. Keep in mind, that if we are talking lore there are no such Hearthstones for everybody and that spreading news of the Wrathgate event takes a while.
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It really makes the dreadlords look like complete chumps. Arthas "kills" them and after years of plotting their revenge they've manged to give him a cough.
To be fair, Arthas retreated after this. If he was completely fine after this, he would have proceeded to kill Putress himself. But who knows, maybe he sense the incoming Dragons (and even then, should he be really scared?).
*Boggle* There were no sound files, there were subtitles for this cinematic. The entire "It was supposed to be Sylvanas" is a pretense based upon nothing solid. -_-
Hm, I guess you're right. Could've sworn there were files in the mpq.. oh well.
Does Arthas even know that Putress has defected from the Horde? I just saw him saying Sylvanas because as far as he knows, a member of the Forsaken is under her command so she would be the one ordering the attack.
I also really liked the talk between Bolvar and Saurfang as it further solidifies just how wrong of a decision Varian is making. I can see the first thing Jaina says when they port back being something along the lines of "This isn't what Bolvar would have wanted."
As a side note, if you pause the movie right before the small scene where Bolvar walks past his cheering troops ends, you see a gnome with pink pigtails and goggles in the background. We finally made it into a cinematic!
Wouldn't need seperate voice clips when you consider that a cinematic has both audio and video. :P
It's interesting that it's the first instance that an in-game event calls on a full motion video, though. All other in-game cinematics are rendered with the game engine itself. (such as the intro-to-wow when you start a new character and the Magister's Terrace one)
Of course, stuff like this is definitely worth the extra megabytes it adds to the HD footprint.
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