I counted twelve from the description. The Blues have there will be no vehicle battles in Icecrown, so the Gunship battle is probably a scripted Akama-style event (although hopefully not a pushover) with a faction-specific endboss. Make the two abominations separate encounters and you get twelve.
You could also have twelve bosses if you omitted the Gunship battle as an encounter and separated the Three Princes into separate encounters, but I doubt it. The Blizzcon pictures and the description itself gainsay that theory.
Jeff Goldblum is one of the most powerful units in all of Warcraft.
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I'm having a bad feeling about that Professor Putricide...Fleshshaper (or crafter) Genascyde was not only cooler, it didn't sound like we were getting a boss with the "Crazy Undead Scientist" skin.
Valithia has me most interested of all the bosses, right now. Would the so-called "Nightmare" play a part in Icecrown? Or is Arthas trying to infiltrate his forces in the Emerald dream by using the green dragoness as a portal?
It is pretty possible that Bolvar just wasn't able to be corrupted. Some of the bosses are pretty disappointing though as I was really hoping we would see Kel'thuzad again considering we never did destroy his Phylactery.
It is pretty possible that Bolvar just wasn't able to be corrupted. Some of the bosses are pretty disappointing though as I was really hoping we would see Kel'thuzad again considering we never did destroy his Phylactery.
I suppose something like that is still possible - maybe as a phase of the Arthas encounter, for instance.
I'm quite happy to see Muradin have some kind of role in this. He's one of the few allies the Alliance found on Northrend.
Another unresolved plotline involving Icecrown I can think of is Mal'ganis and his promise of vengeans ("You'll never defeat the Lich King without my forces! I'll have my revenge on him, and you!"). I'm still keeping some faint hope we may see some minor Burning Legion invasion along the way.
I'd be a little disappointed if they went the "Bolvar couldn't be corrupted" route. We do know of paladins (not counting Arthas, who had a little extra help) who have been turned into Scourge. Sir Zeliek is the first that comes to mind. Paladins aren't immune, though they may be tougher nuts to crack. It would certainly make sense for Arthas to want to flex his "I can make anyone serve me at my will" muscle by parading Bolvar around as a DK.
Originally Posted by Bierzkrieg
Valithia has me most interested of all the bosses, right now. Would the so-called "Nightmare" play a part in Icecrown? Or is Arthas trying to infiltrate his forces in the Emerald dream by using the green dragoness as a portal?
I'm pretty interested in this as well. If the Scourge are studying a Green, especially with "Dreamwalker" as part of the name, it's not unreasonable at all to assume they're trying to harness aspects of the Nightmare. This is probably not likely to be any more your "standard dragon encounter" than, say, Netherspite, or even Razorgore. I mention Razorgore more because it has elements of a boss acting in a non-standard way and lots of adds coming from somewhere (though presumably from a connection to the Nightmare rather than mysterious clown-car shadows in the corner of the room). Two breath/cleave/tailswipe/flight phase/[gimmick mechanic] encounters in a row is pretty unlikely (I hope).
I'd be a little disappointed if they went the "Bolvar couldn't be corrupted" route. We do know of paladins (not counting Arthas, who had a little extra help) who have been turned into Scourge. Sir Zeliek is the first that comes to mind. Paladins aren't immune, though they may be tougher nuts to crack. It would certainly make sense for Arthas to want to flex his "I can make anyone serve me at my will" muscle by parading Bolvar around as a DK.
I'm pretty interested in this as well. If the Scourge are studying a Green, especially with "Dreamwalker" as part of the name, it's not unreasonable at all to assume they're trying to harness aspects of the Nightmare. This is probably not likely to be any more your "standard dragon encounter" than, say, Netherspite, or even Razorgore. I mention Razorgore more because it has elements of a boss acting in a non-standard way and lots of adds coming from somewhere (though presumably from a connection to the Nightmare rather than mysterious clown-car shadows in the corner of the room). Two breath/cleave/tailswipe/flight phase/[gimmick mechanic] encounters in a row is pretty unlikely (I hope).
In the end though every single boss in that preview is in the files right now except Putricide which is probably Genascydes new name. It really does just seem he may have been saved from corruption and had a stronger will than Zeliek and was able to fully break free (Zeliek was only somewhat able to resist).
But if Bolvar's out of the equation, there should still be some sort of fate in store for him...Like the Lich King toying with him, controlling him like a puppet. He could even be an add in the last fight. Something must be done to mess with Varian's mind.
And that precisely be the reason he's in Icecrown. Yes, it would be logical for the leader of the Humans to fight Arthas, but so would it for almost all racial leaders. At least Garrosh or Thrall. So, like Saurfang, Varian must have been "put" in Icecrown to face Bolvar. For some reason we have more Alliance leaders than Horde.
We're talking grudges here. Personal issues. Except maybe for Tirion, that would be rivalry.
Varian may go there because he has no reason to think the Scourge *doesn't* have Bolvar; after all he probably doesn't know what the red dragons say about the 'fate of the young paladin'. To me that is sounding more and more like an indication that he might NOT be in Icecrown; after all, pretty much any yahoo could figure out that the Lich King might have him.
I'm probably giving them too much credit for detail and/or attaching too much importance to that little blurb but all that combined with the fact that there's no Bolvar in the files yet makes me think there's a good chance that Bolvar's story is going in a different direction.
Of course I will be proved wrong when they patch the PTR again and we get a Deathbringer Bolvar in there.
I agree, there's no way we won't be seeing Bolvar. They put that Draconic encoded Easter Egg at the Wrathgate, the Yogg vision, and a blue even went so far as to hint it.
It was confirmed at Blizzcon 2009 that he will be a raid boss in Icecrown. As reported on worldofraids.com liveblog of Blizzcon 2009,
Saurfang will be an encounter in Icecrown, as will Bolvar. We asked what happened to Bolvar at the fansite summit and one of the gameplay programmers grinned and said "well, his body isn't there, right?"
One of the rare occasions where WoWWiki has a citation of sorts.
The second character in the yogg vision looks like a Shadow priest, so it could have been Saurfang's corrupted soul and not necessarily a corporeal form.
[e] To clarify the Turned Champion has a darkened model like a shadow priest.
The second character in the yogg vision looks like a Shadow priest, so it could have been Saurfang's corrupted soul and not necessarily a corporeal form.
I don't recall the Turned Champion looking like a shadow priest at all. For now I think we just won't get an answer on Bolvar till the next build.
They removed Alexandros from the 4 horsemen fight because his soul was cleansed by Darion's sacrifice. In order for Darion to be the leader of the Ebon Blade (which he is by the time a player is entering Naxx this time around), he must have already sacrificed himself and thus freed his father, so the Alexandros couldn't be in that fight and still keep the timeline even remotely accurate.
We don't know if it actually worked. In Wintergarde, the guy talking about the naxx bosses says
"[Alexandros] was the finest warrior that the Death Knights had ever seen. However, after the events in Azeroth, he vanished without a trace. Kel'Thuzad has appointed Baron Rivendare in his place."
As for Festergut and Rotface being two seperate fights, having back to back abominations as fights would be kind of meh and lazy on Blizzards part.
As for Festergut and Rotface being two seperate fights, having back to back abominations as fights would be kind of meh and lazy on Blizzards part.
I don't think we should take it as meaning it will be 2 Patchwerk Abominations that you fight in a row and I doubt the fight mechanics for both fights will be the same.
We don't know if it actually worked. In Wintergarde, the guy talking about the naxx bosses says
"[Alexandros] was the finest warrior that the Death Knights had ever seen. However, after the events in Azeroth, he vanished without a trace. Kel'Thuzad has appointed Baron Rivendare in his place."
The Ashbringer comic makes it quite clear however that Darion freed his father by ramming the sword into his own chest.
The guy you quoted above probably just doesn't know what exactly happened.
Bolvar and Saurfang, perhaps they appear together but whichever your raid chooses to kill first was the weaker one and is consumed by the other for next phase? Obsolete hardmode trigger, with respect to your faction?
I'd be a little disappointed if they went the "Bolvar couldn't be corrupted" route. We do know of paladins (not counting Arthas, who had a little extra help) who have been turned into Scourge. Sir Zeliek is the first that comes to mind. Paladins aren't immune, though they may be tougher nuts to crack. It would certainly make sense for Arthas to want to flex his "I can make anyone serve me at my will" muscle by parading Bolvar around as a DK.
I'm pretty interested in this as well. If the Scourge are studying a Green, especially with "Dreamwalker" as part of the name, it's not unreasonable at all to assume they're trying to harness aspects of the Nightmare. This is probably not likely to be any more your "standard dragon encounter" than, say, Netherspite, or even Razorgore. I mention Razorgore more because it has elements of a boss acting in a non-standard way and lots of adds coming from somewhere (though presumably from a connection to the Nightmare rather than mysterious clown-car shadows in the corner of the room). Two breath/cleave/tailswipe/flight phase/[gimmick mechanic] encounters in a row is pretty unlikely (I hope).
You forgot about the Plague Dragonflight. The Scourge have been studying the Dragonflights for ages, but I believe the Scourge interest is more in creating new soldiers.
Although, has anyone else noted the other Scourge dragons have either been Blue or Black? Perhaps some property of Red, Bronze and Green have thus far prevented the Scourge from raising them in undeath. Or hell perhaps we're off on another Chromatic Dragonflight tangent and/or Galakrond related (ie needing to experiment on multiple Dragonflights to resurrect Galakrond).
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For example, currently have Frost Wyrms from Blue Dragons, Magmawyrms from Black Dragons, but what example do we have from Green, Bronze or Red? (And of course, Fel Wyrms, but those seem to be borne from Fel magic, rather than Necromancy).
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Originally Posted by arison
Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.
Tirion Fordring and the Argent Crusade have forged an alliance with Darion Mograine and the Knights of the Ebon Blade to form the Ashen Verdict. The strongest combatants of this coalition, along with the champions of the Alliance and Horde, will lead the charge against the citadel.
This is getting ridiculous. What next, they combine with the Hydraxian Waterlords, the Cenarion Circle and the Brood of Nozdormu to form fucking Voltron for the next expansion?
"And I'll form the head!"
"The hell you will! LOK'TAR OGAR! For the Horde!"
This is getting ridiculous. What next, they combine with the Hydraxian Waterlords, the Cenarion Circle and the Brood of Nozdormu to form fucking Voltron for the next expansion?
"And I'll form the head!"
"The hell you will! LOK'TAR OGAR! For the Horde!"
To the quote above your quote where are you getting this information from?
@Brazil201: This is the source for that information World of Warcraft Community Site
I see the logic in these allegiances. The Argent Crusade and the Ebon Blade have been working together since the beginning of WotLk. The Death Knights have even saved Tirion's life and Darion has proved to be an honored and hard-working ally.
If anything, this expansion could have used a few uncomfortable "Are we siding with the good guys?" moments. Avoidable bloodbaths by Ebon Blade forces, disregard of inocents who were "in the way". Kolthira, for example, is nicer than some of Garrosh's men...
Why resurrect Keleseth, Taldaram, and Valanar, instead of using Atherann and Theraldis and adding some random third one? Minor nit-pick I suppose, but I'd rather we see the other two that were present for Arugal's resurrection get offed instead of reusing the three we've already faced.
Indeed, that's something rather odd, why don't the heroes destroy the remains of the blood princes, Anub'arak, or the Black Knight? We know the Lich King can raise dead bodies again, why do we leave the former to rot in their dungeons, why does the Black Knight get a proper burial? When I first heard that he was buried on Paletress' plea and that she was a boss in ToCh, I immediately suspected her of being another agent of the Lich King. She's still rather dubious, is she really that powerful to capture two val'kyr lieutenants, and control them until the players are thrown at them, after which the Lich King suddenly appears?
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