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Old 11/20/09, 8:05 AM   #6801
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Originally Posted by Jagiya View Post
And as for, "Why go to all that trouble designing a model for an NPC in a single instance", considering he is the Alpha to Arthas' Omega, and this particular dungeon will close the book on nearly 10 years of built-up story - it's pretty clear that Bolvar will be instrumental in the downfall (and according to the leaks - "resurrection?") of The Lich King. This isn't just some guy patrolling the stables of Karazhan; this is a very powerful character who has endured more than most heroes in the WarCraft Universe and survived through sheer nobility. He's gonna play a big role in Icecrown and I'm certain people will be reminiscing about "how awesome it was when Bolvar "Flame On" Fordragon took down Arthas" a few years from now.
Although, to be honest, all these superpowered paladins just keep piling up...

I've been wondering about what Bloo Driver pointed myself. And although I know it's pretty much inevitable, this being Arthas, I'm secretly hoping that the last fight doesn't at some point turn into a parade of victims' ghosts haunting Arthas and him going "Get off my head, I have killing chores to perform!" Also, I've given up understanding what exactly is Arthas' role inside the Lich King. Or the scope of his powers. Or what happened to Ner'zhul. I fancy meself some secrets and enigmas, but somehow I fear these questions might not even get addressed.

And, most of all, my Slaughter Sense is tingling...I can't see any of the major characters dying at Icecrown - not counting Bolvar's eventual sacrifice, or Saurfang Jr's "release". I may come across as bloodthirsty regarding characters, but I just think you can't have a proper final confrontation with the main "god-like" (really?) villain without him showing he's "NOT" kidding, however much he laughs at your feeble attempts to dent his armor or at your king/overlord/archmage/moutain king/banshee queen's corpse. Or Tirion's.
 
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Old 11/20/09, 4:14 PM   #6802
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Originally Posted by Liebestod View Post
I was hardly implying that Bolvar wouldn't be in Icecrown. When was the last time we had a fancy non-boss model for a single instance, though?
Maiev Shadowsong. She even served a similar role, appearing in only one fight and serving to help us defeat a supposedly otherwise unkillable foe.
 
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Old 11/20/09, 5:41 PM   #6803
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Originally Posted by Rahlar View Post
Maiev Shadowsong. She even served a similar role, appearing in only one fight and serving to help us defeat a supposedly otherwise unkillable foe.
Well actually, she already was in Shadowmoon since 2.0
 
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Old 11/20/09, 6:59 PM   #6804
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Originally Posted by Rahlar View Post
Maiev Shadowsong. She even served a similar role, appearing in only one fight and serving to help us defeat a supposedly otherwise unkillable foe.

To be fair, Maiev was an established character from Warcraft 3 with a unique model. Blizzard had to keep that unique model in WoW.
 
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Old 11/20/09, 8:08 PM   #6805
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What? Tons of characters in war3 with unique models translated into ordinary character models in WoW - namely, pretty much all the faction leaders. What does "Unique model" even mean in warcraft 3 - that the unit was a hero?
 
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Old Yesterday, 12:06 AM   #6806
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When you start talking about it like that you end up going in circles really.

For the most part any hero that showed up in Warcraft 3 you expect to look somewhat similar in World of Warcraft, this wasn't as possible in release of classic, Thrall using a normal Orc model, Jaina losing those wicked eyes, etc.

When Maiev was introduced in BC, along with Illidan, Kael, Vashj, her model was very very similar to what you saw in WC3. Hence, saying she had a unique model.

Many bosses in the game are rehashes of old bosses we've seen before. Kel'Thuzad for instance looks like every other Lich in the game. Every undead dog post Naxxramas looks like Gluth, etc. On occasion you get a unique models like Thaddius(at the time), or Grobbulus, or Lotheb. Most of the time you only get these new/unique models as bosses in new raids. If Bolvar is indeed the flaming man we saw before, he would be one of the very few heroes/side NPCs that's not an actual boss to get a unique model just for 1 instance.

WoW Evolution is an interesting thing, hopefully Thrall gets a new model before he steps out as the Warchief.

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I still miss the eyes.

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Unread Today, 4:13 AM   #6807
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Interestingly, only some Warcraft 3 lore characters had unique models, though. Namely, Jaina / Arthas / Malfurion / Thrall / Grom all had unique hero models, everyone else was just generic (though Illidan got a unique model in TFT and iirc he was the only Demon Hunter in the War3 campaign. Sylvanas and Rexxar were also unique in this regard, and possibly Vashj as well.) So Kel'Thuzad being a generic Lich isn't really due to WoW devs being lazy... he was a generic lich from the start. He did get a spiffy special thing behind his head for his model, though.

Blizzard has gotten a lot better with using unique models for raid bosses since Ulduar, though... I think we'll be able to expect a lot of that in the future. The Bolvar model looks moderately fancy, though... but then again, if he features prominently in the ending cinematic for WotLK which will undoubtedly be added at some point, maybe that'll make it worthwhile. It does pique curiosity as to what role he might end up playing in the future... the Scourge wouldn't really fit into the Deathwing / Azshara plots.
 
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