In many game and book series, dragons are said to have no need for clothing or understand why mortals insist on wearing them. Warcraft is no different. Hell, its a game played by mostly male gamers. Even in the real world different cultures have different standards for dress and appearance.
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Well, depending on climate, clothing can be very important. Dragons would have to be pretty dense to not see the utility of warm clothing in a wintery place for the hairless apes.
Beyond that, there's clothing for decoration, and considering Alextrasza's horn decorations I think she understands that just fine.
Just finishing up Zul'drak recently, it was nice to see the apperance of all the ZA bosses there and us "saving" them. Along with some other animal gods that play a role there. I would think Blizzard has a good setup there for another troll raid.
Last I checked Ishtar and Kali were among the most powerful of gods. In fact, Ishtar is routinely referred to as the Sumerian Super Goddess and she plays quite a part in the epic Gilgamesh.
And hell, Kali was born to do what a man could not. One of the origin myths of Kali, she was created to destroy a demon niether man nor god (but not a goddess) could destroy.
Hera, Hathor, Freya, Serket, Artemis: all powerful Goddesses, though certainly some of them aren't Zeus or what not.
Portrayals of Kali, born a warrior, almost never has her armored.
Agreed. Kali is also the goddess of death, chaos and war. Artemis, virgin goddess of hunting, is also frequently portrayed naked or close to it. Many fertility goddesses were also goddesses of death and war.
As for regal, Queen Victoria is not the only female ruler in history, nor was she the first.
If you guys want to pick a bone about NPC's not seeming powerful, then lets start with Thrall looking extremely cartooney. His armor and weapons are true to Thrall, but they definitely could use an upgrade to make them look less shiny and Toys-R-Us like and more gritty and 'Hero of the Horde' like. I honestly hope all faction leaders are getting artwork reform: Sylvannas and Varimithas look positively awesome. Alexstrazsa as well.
If you guys want to pick a bone about NPC's not seeming powerful, then lets start with Thrall looking extremely cartooney. His armor and weapons are true to Thrall, but they definitely could use an upgrade to make them look less shiny and Toys-R-Us like and more gritty and 'Hero of the Horde' like. I honestly hope all faction leaders are getting artwork reform: Sylvannas and Varimithas look positively awesome. Alexstrazsa as well.
All shapeshifters fundamentally understand the power that perception and form hold. In a violent, male dominated universe (which Azeroth is), using sexuality puts her in a greater position of power and control over those she would encounter.
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I'm pretty sure if it came down to something really important Alexstrasza doesn't have to worry about power and control being left to chance... you saw what Victor Nefarian did to Vael, right (or the orcish civilization comprising Blackrock Mountain/the Steppes) or what Onyxia did to a vast number of cultists/humans in her plots? Now imagine someone with power greater than their father.
The only entities Alexstrasza would have to influence on fair footing would be other Aspects, incredibly powerful cosmic forces like Elune or the Titans, or incredibly evil powers like Arthas or Kil'jaeden, and her ability to seduce would be irrelevant amongst them.
(and specifically taking high elven form is gonna have just as much effect making night elves and draenei naturally suspicious of her and orcs/trolls/taurens/dwarves/gnomes probably revolted by her as it gains in allowing seductive influence over humans and blood elves)
Just to take this off course for a second, but how many think that Yogg-Saron will end up being the final boss in the Ulduar Raid dungeon instead of being part of a future Azjol-Nerub raid instance? It sounds like that is the direction Blizzard is going currently. I really really hope we get to see more of Azjol-Nerub instead of just the two short 5-man's. If Yogg-Saron is the final boss inside of Ulduar, I think a Azjol-Nerub raid instance doesnt happen personally.
Additionally, if Yogg-Saron does not end up being part of Ulduar, what do you think the big final boss lore target will be inside there?
(and specifically taking high elven form is gonna have just as much effect making night elves and draenei naturally suspicious of her and orcs/trolls/taurens/dwarves/gnomes probably revolted by her as it gains in allowing seductive influence over humans and blood elves)
Perhaps a more apt solution would have Alexstrasza appear as the race of the player.
Perhaps she simply likes being pretty? Almost all dragons choose High Elves as thier humanoid form.
That would imply that dragons have some sense of vanity (they care what we, the mortal races of Azeroth, think of them), when it really seems that the dragons really care nothing for us personally, but only use us as their instrument.
Whenever I talk to a dragonflight NPC (Chromie in WPL, Blue Flight NPC in Winterspring, dragons in KoT) I always get the sense that they feel disconnected from the world. Chromie explicitly notes to the player that (paraphrased) she doesn't like to get bogged down in the gloominess of the area she's assigned to. She stays in the upstairs floor of a ruined, trashed inn, but her room is actually quite cozy. The dragons in KoT are literally dealing with life-ending scenarios, and you don't see them running around in panic, they're actually quite relaxed about telling you that X instance has a catastrophic, life-threatening situation.
My opinion is that she turned into a humanoid because her dragon form might have been too big/too heavy for the platform, or maybe she just wanted to have some relations with her consort .
In a WoW comic book that I read, about some blue dragon that got trapped in human form and then went on wacky adventures to release himself from it, his sister assumed high elf form since they were the most graceful and pretty of the humanoid races, though still consideered unattractive by her standards. She alos becomes attracted to a human paladin who helps the dragons, so if the comic book is anything close to canon then dragons obviously care about things. What they care about probably varies as much as with everybody else
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In a WoW comic book that I read, about some blue dragon that got trapped in human form and then went on wacky adventures to release himself from it, his sister assumed high elf form since they were the most graceful and pretty of the humanoid races, though still consideered unattractive by her standards. She alos becomes attracted to a human paladin who helps the dragons, so if the comic book is anything close to canon then dragons obviously care about things. What they care about probably varies as much as with everybody else
You're referring to Kalecgos and Tyrygosa. They're not brother and sister....well maybe they are since they're the children of Malygos, but they're also supposed to mates. A side note: Tyri is somewhat of a ditz for a dragon, so her reasoning for being a High Elf isn't exactly surprising.
Upon further consideration there is a certain amount of vanity that the dragons display towards the mortals of Azeroth, no getting around that. Sometimes it's as subtle as the Bronze Dragonflight and how inconvenient it is for them to be at any one point in time as opposed to another point they felt more comfortable in, and in the case of the Blacks there is no restraint, they just completely look down upon you and delight at the thought of ripping you to little shreds, that is unless of course they need you to do something for them, or get the satisfaction that they used you to accomplish something because they are sooooooooo far above you.
I just found it odd that the Queen of the Reds, the Guardian of Life would wear an outfit like that, she's not like Tyri, for most of her appearances she's shown grace. "Grace" is not the word I would use to describe her current outfit. "Club Hopping Dragon" maybe, but not grace. I mean it's like she would be trying to tell people about some important and world threatening disaster and every male adventurer wouldn't be able to keep their eyes above her waist. Tyri would think it's cute that the mortals are lusting over her, Alexstrasza on the other hand should know better since she handles the whole life process and all. >.>
Take the Blacks for instance, they may use the human model, but most of the time the human model and outfits they wear are on point for that flight. I've never seen a Black Dragon in Human form and not been surprised when they started talking down to me...I might want to inflict pain upon them and loot them for epics, but I've never been surprised!
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Grace" is not the word I would use to describe her current outfit. Club Hopping Dragon" maybe, but not grace
Image perception from clothing worn is highly subjective. I thought the opposite when I saw her: This is a expected (and graceful) way for someone titled 'the aspect of life' to dress. Life is created and born from the female body - is that a shameful thing? Many western cultures urge that it must be covered up, kept secret, shunned if seen etc. But many other cultures celebrate it openly with their art (or dress style) like this.
For the people that have played the beta is there any Draenei story at all in Wrath? They were technically a big part of Burning Crusade but pretty boring anyway. They were just the defenders of the light and working with the Naaru and except for some Auchindoun quests nothing happened compared to the Blood Elves who had an epic turnaround and strong story for every part of the Burning Crusade content cycle. There aren't any Draenei 'characters' I remember and can specifically point out as memorable
I've heard that the major players for the Dalaran vs. Malygos plot Horde-side are the blood elves, which makes sense. I'm just wondering if theres some faction of Draenei somewhere or story or if they were just forgotten
As far as I'm concerned, they could not only forget Draenei but also cast them back into the outer space they apparently came from. No offense to Draenei players, but they just don't seem to fit with the lore, even after they were somwehat involved in the BC storyline. I find it quite disturbing that a race that was originally conceived as an aprils fools joke (Pandaren) did fit so much better, although those were kind of otherworldly too.
The Naaru storyline seems like it trails off in TBC with no real conclusion or purpose of that matter. Do we get anymore Naaru lines in Wrath or is it dead?
As far as I'm concerned, they could not only forget Draenei but also cast them back into the outer space they apparently came from. No offense to Draenei players, but they just don't seem to fit with the lore, even after they were somwehat involved in the BC storyline. I find it quite disturbing that a race that was originally conceived as an aprils fools joke (Pandaren) did fit so much better, although those were kind of otherworldly too.
Why are Pandaren's otherworldly? I mean we do have Taurens and now Tuskarr.
For the people that have played the beta is there any Draenei story at all in Wrath? They were technically a big part of Burning Crusade but pretty boring anyway. They were just the defenders of the light and working with the Naaru and except for some Auchindoun quests nothing happened compared to the Blood Elves who had an epic turnaround and strong story for every part of the Burning Crusade content cycle. There aren't any Draenei 'characters' I remember and can specifically point out as memorable
I've heard that the major players for the Dalaran vs. Malygos plot Horde-side are the blood elves, which makes sense. I'm just wondering if theres some faction of Draenei somewhere or story or if they were just forgotten
Uhm, Akama maybe? Just because he is one of the Broken doesn't mean he isn't part of who the Draenei are or their story. And granted that Auchindoun wasn't the best executed of storylines but you had a whole region and instances devoted to the Draenei, they were major players in the all the quests in Netherstorm, they lead the Aldor side of the assault against Illidan's forces in Shadowmoon Valley, etc.
The Naaru storyline seems like it trails off in TBC with no real conclusion or purpose of that matter. Do we get anymore Naaru lines in Wrath or is it dead?
There's one quest that involves the Naaru. It's nothing important either.
I was not a fan of the whole Draenei story either, but I think it's worse to ignore it than to not ignore it. The weaknesses of the WotLK plot are mostly found in what it omits, and any tie to the TBC lore is one of the prime areas of omission.
I don't think using myth to justify Alexstraza´s clothing works as she doesn´t necessarily represent some kind of mythic being, but is rather someone real in WoW you can interact with. In that case, dragons for one thing often shapeshift to not intimidate mortals, high elves being preferred I guess because they´re the most ´refined´ race, but not to give them power by using e.g. sexuality. Dragons in any case do seem like the type of creatures that would consider themselves above using such primitive means to attain power, especially an aspect like Alexstraza.
In any case, to quote wowwiki: Alexstrasza would be known as the Life-Binder, working to safeguard all living creatures of Azeroth. Due to her supreme wisdom and limitless compassion for all living things, Alexstrasza was crowned the Dragonqueen and given dominion over her kind.
Her personality doesn't seem to fit with sexual clothing anyway according to that quote.
10/03/08, 5:06 AM
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I mean it's like she would be trying to tell people about some important and world threatening disaster and every male adventurer wouldn't be able to keep their eyes above her waist. Tyri would think it's cute that the mortals are lusting over her, Alexstrasza on the other hand should know better since she handles the whole life process and all. >.>
