[quote=Tirin;1352263]...the tauren would despise him if he does have Cairne killed...QUOTE]

The reason behind his assassination is "political machinations", which makes me wonder about the Grimtotems. We hadn't heard much from them for a while, then they got a bit of light in the Dustwallow revamp. I have to wonder if the marsh revamp - particularly in light of the current Onyxia recreation - might be the first hints of a sweeping change to Azeroth's story arcs.

A-quckin-men.

Actually, a lot of the artwork in new zones is re-used (just think of how often you've traversed the same 4 cave presets) but actually re-doing old Azeroth to fix all the things that were better in later zones, that would be tons of work.
Not only "finishing the mountaintops" of two landmasses that each are about 4 or 5 times bigger than Northrend only to enable flying there, it also means heavily altering existing stuff without breaking it in the process. That's not something that goes along with a 5-level expansion - though that itself could be one of the few real parts of that "leak", fewer but more important dings sound like a good thing.

Or, another explanation, this is how Azeroth looked like not very long after the Sundering, the flatter areas of Kalimdor still being flooded by the tidal waves caused by the breaking of the old continent.
"Loken simply didn't press F5 for a few millenia" seems more plausible in my opinion than "Holo globe in Ulduar can show the future".

The two are hardly comparable, I'm not sure why people get the urge to bring them up together. Ever since they broke free of the Scourge, the Forsaken had been doing their best to wipe out human settlements and conducting experiments on living human subjects to develop a plague to wipe out the living. Wasn't the last living army of Lordaeron destroyed by them? I think that's a pretty damn good reason for the rest of the Alliance to reject them outright. Maybe if the Forsaken tried to extend some major olive branches then Varian should open his arms, but they didn't and there's not much reason for him to proactively accept them when they are a clear, hostile threat.

The first thing Death Knights did after breaking free of the Lich King's control is to come to Stormwind seeking reconciliation. Hardly the same thing.

Although I believe it's terrible reasoning to do as such, Thrall passing leadership to Garrosh could be a lesson. Something along the lines of sending huge armies to Stormwind (presumably) would leave various other settlements/cities (on kalimdor) ripe to be picked off by the Night Elves and Draenei if all out war followed; not to mention the cost involved in doing it, and the polotical backlash from the rest of the Horde etc.

Garrosh says the Alliance aren't needed to defeat the Lich King, but if it truely were only the Horde, would it still play out that way? Or would his head-strong nature lead them into death. The nature of orcs is that to die in battle is the greatest honour, and as such skews things. To choose glorious death over victory with help should be a no-brainer; if it goes down the road of Thrall passing to Garrosh, it may be the ultimate lesson he's trying to teach. The preservation of your race should be of greater concern than the preservation of your "honour."

I'd expect a different line of reasoning. Both Saurfang and Cairne are fairly old, and having either of them assume leadership would only ensure that in relatively short order yet another leader would need to be chosen, likely Garrosh. Rather than wait until after two very wise advisors pass on, all the better that he assume leadership while they're around to keep him in check and pass on wisdom.

In such a situation, taking out Cairne through political machinations can be seen as a way to manipulate Garrosh into succumbing to his baser instincts and declaring open war. Something that later he might discover, and have a moment of damning realization that his haste and bloodthirst killed a wise friend and ally.

While there are some that probably don't mind Lady Proudmore such as Etirgg, Rehgar, Saurfang, most Orcs still hate humans with a passion. Many Orcs in the comic would whisper about Thrall's relationship with the Human and thought of it as a sign of weakness. We're supposed to believe for the most part that both factions and the people leading them hate the other faction with a passion. Even lorewise when the two come together it's reluctantly, and obviously after the threat has passed, there's going to be bloodshed when they turn their attentions to each other.

My question is will there be more Horde/Alliance type raids, IE raiding the same place but from a different perspective with the other side as your enemy, and lastly who wins out, what's the cannon?

I'm guessing a lot of the "war" between the Alliance/Horde will end up like the east end of Ashenvale. Maybe more flavour tossed in, with hourly NPC raids or assaults onto each others main encampment.

As to who 'wins', you just have objectives that aren't exclusive of each other. Using the Logging Camp example, the Horde objective could be to clear as many tree's as possible before successfully evacuating said lumber. The Alliance objective could be to simply kill/chase off as many Horde loggers as possible.


"Haha, we've escaped with the lumber! We win!"
"Haha, we've chased them from our lands! We win!"

Depends what the "entire leak" is. Many things that are still on MMO-champion.com at this point in time have direct hints in the current active PTR 3.2.2, like the shen'dralar coming back to the night elves and thus probably bringing back the mage class for that race.

Also regarding the Goblin and Worgen thing. Boubouille wrote that he'd be running around naked in Paris and takes photo/video of that if not true. He most certainly sounds absolutely sure of it so that's most likely also going to happen as I am sure he isn't that eager to find naked pics of himself on the internet.

Lorewise, there's much to speculate of course, but even there, in the current PTR there's already the shift of some quests away from Cairne Bloodhoof's son, so we know that at least the son is going to be moved away from Bloodhoof village to somewhere else, likely to replace his father. This stuff is already in the PTR and everyone can go and have a look for themselves. We just don't have the / all details, but at least we have the names of (some of) the main characters that will have lore progression and changes.

It is not all a hoax however.

Still, about 50% of that is too crazy to believe. That rather plausible speculation and possible leaks are intertwined with it only makes it worse, because the flair of authenticity extends to the bullsh't as well.

On an offtopic note, where is your avatar from, Cadfael? It looks familiar, but I can't place it anywhere.

I read a few pages into that thread and saw nothing with even weak evidence to support it. If I'm missing your point, can you link the post you're referring to and/or quote it? All I see is one guy making a claim without any supporting evidence, without the credibility that Boubouille's built up over time.

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