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Old 08/30/09, 9:23 AM   #5056
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Originally Posted by Vaccine View Post
It also plays into the Saurfang the Younger idea.
I think this is the big underlying factor. No matter who wins, someone is going to either end up fighting their undead kid or their undead father/brother figure. They win the airship race only to see Arthas has corrupted a loved one.

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Yeah, I guess if you don't consider pure happiness a flavor, Hitler.

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Old 08/30/09, 8:25 PM   #5057
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Originally Posted by SaxRussel View Post
I don't think this has been posted yet, a Wired interview with Cory Stockton.

Q&A: How Cataclysm Will Change WoW Forever | GameLife | Wired.com

Some things of note:
-He mentions at a "month long" world event after 3.3 that will help shape the Cataclysm
-Camp Taurajo is in Alliance control
-Races having their starting areas redone, some more extensively than others (Durotar? Gnomes?)
-More of a focus on lore-oriented questlines with the 1-60 revamp.
So after all of Wrynn's "I've never trusted orcs and I never will. They are evil and must be purged" whinging, he goes and flattens a village of what's pretty much the only straight-up good and mostly harmly PC race* out there? Instead of, you know, attacking Orgrimmar or whatever.

After all, it's not like razing a tauren village and killing the inhabitants is going to remind them of how the orcs saved them from being slaughtered and their camps razed, or anything. Oh wait....


*Yeah, yeah, Grimtotems. One power-mad biddy, her feeble family, and her penny-ante schemes don't really amount to much when the Alliance equivalent was the daughter of Deathwing.

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Old 08/30/09, 8:55 PM   #5058
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Originally Posted by Vaccine View Post
I'm curious why the Alliance seem to be openly attacking the Goblins before the Thrall incident though. Were the Alliance their slavemasters in the Kaja'mite mines?
Although no information was given in the trailer, the Official site says this:

By the end of the Third War, goblins were providing weaponry, vehicles, and devious services to both the Horde and the Alliance. This wouldn't last forever...
Recently, the goblins of Kezan have found a new enemy in the Alliance – unexpected and unprofitable encounters with this faction have driven certain trade princes from their comfortable neutrality. Reforging old pacts with their one-time allies, the goblins have been welcomed into the Horde with open arms.
I think that's about as much as we're gonna get until beta, considering they specifically locked out the level 1-5 bracket at Blizzcon. One month world event for Cataclysm sounds interesting. I wonder if we'll see a gradual development in some zones? ie.
Week 1: Alliance begins assaulting Camp Taurajo
Week 2: Alliance begins constructing fortifications
Week 3: Fully populated quest hub with Flight Path and NPC's.

It'd be nice to take advantage of this kind of technology for zones like Desolace which would otherwise go from Barren to lush overnight. I guess the real question is, who would see it? I can't imagine they'd actually go to that much effort when people will be busy killing Arthas and stuff.

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Old 08/30/09, 9:42 PM   #5059
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Well, it's not like we'll all be spending 24/7 inside Icecrown.

As far as Alliance owning Camp Taurajo, I'm kind of caught by surprise. It seems like the most out-of-the-way spot in The Barrens for the Alliance to lay siege to and capture. The closest Alliance base is Bael Modan... a place that low level Horde get quests to thoroughly trash. Other than that, Alliance forces would have to pass by a number or other Horde outposts to get to Taurajo, and even if they were to advance from Bael Modan, I don't see how they would get reinforcements unless Theramore's neutrality was compromised.

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Old 08/30/09, 10:03 PM   #5060
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Originally Posted by Kaejin View Post
Well, it's not like we'll all be spending 24/7 inside Icecrown.

As far as Alliance owning Camp Taurajo, I'm kind of caught by surprise. It seems like the most out-of-the-way spot in The Barrens for the Alliance to lay siege to and capture. The closest Alliance base is Bael Modan... a place that low level Horde get quests to thoroughly trash. Other than that, Alliance forces would have to pass by a number or other Horde outposts to get to Taurajo, and even if they were to advance from Bael Modan, I don't see how they would get reinforcements unless Theramore's neutrality was compromised.
I would imagine that Theramore ends up becoming a staging ground for Varian's forces regardless of Jaina's feelings (which for all we know change). It may seem like a strange place to attack but it is right next to the border of Mulgore giving a staging spot for attacks which also explains the huge tauren wall at the border now. I'd imagine we will see other Alliance camps near Durotar also.

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Old 08/30/09, 10:09 PM   #5061
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Originally Posted by Kaejin View Post
Well, it's not like we'll all be spending 24/7 inside Icecrown.

As far as Alliance owning Camp Taurajo, I'm kind of caught by surprise. It seems like the most out-of-the-way spot in The Barrens for the Alliance to lay siege to and capture. The closest Alliance base is Bael Modan... a place that low level Horde get quests to thoroughly trash. Other than that, Alliance forces would have to pass by a number or other Horde outposts to get to Taurajo, and even if they were to advance from Bael Modan, I don't see how they would get reinforcements unless Theramore's neutrality was compromised.
I reckon it's part of the greater plan to create active conflict zones around the world. We've already sort of learnt the Horde will advance in Ashenvale and Hillsbrad. My guess would be that the Alliance advancing into the Barrens would be Blizzard's idea of creating "faction equality". The line of thought might have been along these lines: "Right, let's have the Warsong Clan trash Astranaar and have a lot of combat and action around there. Sounds great, works well with the new shortened leveling pathways, fits. Right, guess we have to trash a Horde town as well to keep the Alliance guys happy. Well Ashenvale is split now, and we kind of need fewer quest there, so why not have the Alliance capture that Tauren place there? And we get yet another combat zone!"
As for Theramore, am I missing something or is it not exactly neutral. I mean, Jaina sure is fine with Thrall, but Theramore forces appear to be in fairly active conflict with the Horde in the game as it is now. I know people had been speculating about Theramore becoming neutral, but I didn't spot anything pointing towards that in the confirmed stuff from Blizzcon. Anything I missed there?

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Old 08/30/09, 10:13 PM   #5062
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Originally Posted by Kaejin View Post
Well, it's not like we'll all be spending 24/7 inside Icecrown.

As far as Alliance owning Camp Taurajo, I'm kind of caught by surprise. It seems like the most out-of-the-way spot in The Barrens for the Alliance to lay siege to and capture. The closest Alliance base is Bael Modan... a place that low level Horde get quests to thoroughly trash. Other than that, Alliance forces would have to pass by a number or other Horde outposts to get to Taurajo, and even if they were to advance from Bael Modan, I don't see how they would get reinforcements unless Theramore's neutrality was compromised.
Depending on the geographical changes, Taurajo would seem to be a very strategic position that would be worth the risk, especially to an aggressive type like Varian, to try to take and hold despite logistical difficulties in getting supplies there after the fact. It is in a spot where they could relatively lock the Taurens into Mulgore, which would make the zeppelin connection to Durotar all that more important. In addition it could act to inhibit the horde's easier land access to the southern zones of Kalimdor (lorewise, probably not so much playwise).

I agree that it would make the most sense if Theramore gets dragged into it. Northwatch Hold is also not very far from Taurajo and could see a revival itself, and Taurajo's location would also inhibit horde access to Dustwallow which could be a security reason they would want to take and hold it. It would also seem to fit with an overall theme of Expansionism, albeit for security rather than resources, that to this point we've seen more in what the horde have been doing in terms of taking over the other faction's bases. Certainly seeing what's going to happen in Ashenvale it would be a very real concern to the alliance to try and protect their current holdings on Kalimdor as best they can.

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Old 08/30/09, 10:35 PM   #5063
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It makes sense to me, as it's directly parallel to Northwatch Hold, providing a perfect choke point across the center of the (Southern) Barrens. Or is Northwatch considered destroyed/vacant according to Horde quest lore?

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Old 08/30/09, 10:45 PM   #5064
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Originally Posted by Jagiya View Post
It makes sense to me, as it's directly parallel to Northwatch Hold, providing a perfect choke point across the center of the (Southern) Barrens. Or is Northwatch considered destroyed/vacant according to Horde quest lore?
The status texts for The Guns of Northwatch would imply that it is cleared out, in so far as there is now the "grim task of retrieving bodies." This seems to be more a case of it now being vacant than destroyed, and as such could be the landing spot of the alliance expeditionary force.

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Old 08/30/09, 10:50 PM   #5065
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Originally Posted by Kaejin View Post

As far as Alliance owning Camp Taurajo, I'm kind of caught by surprise. It seems like the most out-of-the-way spot in The Barrens for the Alliance to lay siege to and capture. The closest Alliance base is Bael Modan.
However, it would provide an explanation for the Alliance Sentinels that roam the area: scouting the area, and learning the fortifications in preparation for laying siege. Otherwise, the only apparent explanation for these roaming Alliance are to terrorize young Hordelings.

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Old 08/31/09, 4:16 AM   #5066
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I can't find early map of revamped Old world. With Thousand Needles flooded is there going to be direct ship access to Great Lift? That can explain huge alliance presence in The Barrens, while maintaining Theramore's neutrality.

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Old 08/31/09, 4:18 AM   #5067
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One thing to remember, Wrynn isn't necessarily the one reclaiming Camp Taurajo. As far as I can remember, Dwarf and Night Elf soldiers are closest to Camp Taurajo. Don't blame Wrynn for everything the Alliance does.

Also, we don't really know what's happening politically with the Night Elves. I think it's a reasonable assumption we'll see some developments between the Staghelm/Tyrande rift going on. Especially with the re-emergence of the Highborne. (Also, on that train of thought, doesn't the Highborne quest/npc mention they're from Eldre'thalas? -- which is reasonably positioned near Camp Taurajo as well).

On that note, what will happen to the Quillboar? And for that matter, Amenaar the Coldbringer (I mean lore-wise...).

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Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.

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Old 08/31/09, 4:21 AM   #5068
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Originally Posted by Cosa View Post
I can't find early map of revamped Old world. With Thousand Needles flooded is there going to be direct ship access to Great Lift? That can explain huge alliance presence in The Barrens, while maintaining Theramore's neutrality.
Thousand Needles being 'flooded' can just mean that Shimmering Flats is now a lake again and there is a river going from there to Feralas.

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Old 08/31/09, 4:30 AM   #5069
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Well the Dwarves for one are on pretty friendly terms with the Tauren, in so far as they have come to mining agreements where Tauren Shaman are present at Dwarven mining expeditions to repair the land as they mine. In fact that might have even been Baine Bloodhoof who organised that with Brann, I forget.

It makes sense if you assume that Southern Barrens is going to be a high level quest hub giving the Alliance a place to start (and more sense when you see the entrance to Mulgore is gated and guarded) but it makes me wonder where the Horde southern Barrens base is going to be. Northwatch possibly, though it is a stretch to call it Southern. A new settlement at the Great Lift perhaps? Or claiming the settlement outside of Razorfen Downs. Or perhaps the gate we saw at Mulgore entrance actually has a quest hub behind it, though it seems very close to the Alliance base were that the case.

With the revamp to all thing it makes me wonder if the Silithid will have been completely wiped out of Tanaris, 1k, Barrens and Feralas as well.

I hope the Tauren released the piggy before the Alliance got to him though!

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Old 08/31/09, 5:51 AM   #5070
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Howdy, first time posting, this thread being to blame for my registration.

On to things that matter: it might be a stretchy thought, but I was under the impression that the "burning" of camp Taurajo (myabe because of the term "burn") had been caused by the Cataclysm, either a lava surge or an attack by the Twilight's Hammer or some black dragon (not "Blackwing Greatfather" itself). The blue post said the camp had been burned and an Alliance base had been erected. It doesn't actually reference an attack.

Though an offensive by Varian & His Muchachos does seem reasonable, there is the Theramore factor to consider. A second failure to prevent an Alliance attack by Jaina (after what happened with her father) might definitely burry her status as the closest thing to a human friend the Horde has. And without Thrall on the wheel - worse, with him being replaced by Garrosh - it could very well mean there'll be no one to at least attemp some kind of meeting or parlay.

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