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09/01/09, 10:25 AM
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#5101
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Bald Bull
Dwarf Rogue
Scarlet Crusade
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I always thought Turalyon was being saved as well, not for a redesigned Outlands, but for one of those "other worlds" that were one of the hot topics of TBC. I could very much see him being set up as leader of some group serving as the antithesis of the Burning Legion, that is they travel from world to world, liberating it's denizens from the Burning Legion or any other force that has conquered them. Culminating with Turalyon spearheading an assault against Sargeras with the aid of the Naaru/Titans/etc.
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09/01/09, 10:56 AM
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#5102
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King Hippo
Orc Warrior
Burning Steppes (EU)
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Thought it's not like the master lizard Deathwing has anything else to do in the Outlands. All his eggs have hatched into now-hostile Netherwings and he already has the best toys available - the Twilight Dragons. Plus, I'd hope even a power-mad (or just plain mad, as TehGlads would say) but millenia-old aspect would have learned the value of not harassing two planets at once. The entire Azeroth is big enough, but another planet and its respective defense forces? Deathwing already lost the War of Ancients on account of going Battle Royale on the other factions involved, and has been defeated in Grim Batol by combined forces, as well. His failures always derive from his inability to appreciate how strong the lowly mortals are when they join forces.
The only Outland-related thing I can think of for Deathwinnie is trying to get revenge on Khadgar. Which, I might add, is entirely legitimate. Seeing as he can't get to the genious author who thought that an Aspect's blood should be controllable by a human mage just because it's molten lava, going for the mage itself is the next best thing.
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09/01/09, 2:22 PM
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#5103
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Piston Honda
Blood Elf Death Knight
Frostwhisper (EU)
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Interesting little titbit from Valnoth suggesting that maybe, just maybe, we might have actually fought Tyr but in a corrupted form:
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Why doesn't Tyr have a room in Ulduar?
I wonder what would happen to a watcher if he were to have the Black Blood of Yogg-Saron flowing through his veins?
Edit: For those who aren't fans of clicking links -
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Originally Posted by Valnoth
What makes you think that Tyr doesn't have a room? Or that you haven't actually fought him? Old Gods and their corruption... I'm just sayin...
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Even more added!
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Originally Posted by Valnoth
It would be pretty strange to think that the area before Yogg Saron's prison has always been a twisted, corrupt temple dedicated to the praise of an Old God. Clearly - in *happier* times - there must have been a final arbiter. A jailor of sorts.
Maybe Vezax ate him!
Or...
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09/01/09, 2:43 PM
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#5104
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Goatbert#1373
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Originally Posted by Muggins
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I'm usually ok with Blizzard's lore bandaids but this one just kinda pisses me off. Supposing this is true and not just an excuse for forgetting - we couldn't get a hint in game? Maybe a /yell or some loot that hints at his origin? Plus, all the other watchers were corrupted and didn't turn into Faceless ones, though Tyr did go whereever he went willingly. But we know Faceless ones, we've seen them all over the place and its never been suggested they were corrupted versions of other beings.
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Originally Posted by JamesVZ
Yeah, I guess if you don't consider pure happiness a flavor, Hitler.
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09/01/09, 2:47 PM
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#5105
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Bald Bull
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Tyr would be a suitable endboss (or central figure) for the Halls of Origination in Uldum. It might not take place in quite the epic-25 man setting people would like, but it would help tie Uldum and Ulduar together.
I was a little disappointed to learn that Uldum wouldn't feature a 25-man raid. The Titan story arc is epic. An Egyptian architecture framed Titan instance would be a pleasure to raid in, just like Ulduar was. At the risk of sounding a little silly, we have often joked about 'How did General Vezax get into his room, was he lowered in through the ceiling?' Well perhaps the broken ceiling was where Tyr escaped out of, to extrapolate on Valnoth's post. If that was indeed his room.
You can try to make the connection from hints Blizzard dropped at Blizzcon. Uldum houses a rumoured superweapon. Tyr is missing from Ulduar. All the Tyr's fellow watchers were corrupted by Yogg-Saron. General Vezax (may) have have invaded his room. What could you do if you were in Tyr's position?
Escape and head to Uldum to the superweapon, as perhaps the only means of stopping Yogg-Saron. As for whether he ever got to it, activated and/or attempted to use it - would be where the story would continue in Cataclysm. Tyr might have been captured by Deathwing and the Twilight Hammer before he could get to the weapon, he could still be a good guy. Theres many possibilities for where his story direction could go.
General Vezax drops [Aesuga, Hand of the Ardent Champion] and has a bunch of items with names pertaining to light/hope/despair. Although Vezax could very well be Tyr, I'd be more tempted to believe Vezax battled Tyr in his room but he escaped through the roof. The "Aesuga, Hand of the Ardent Champion" might be a little easter egg and indication that when we see Tyr again in Uldum, he'll be missing the hand which Vezax ate off, or the (to paraphrase part of Valnoths post), Or perhaps it's just a metaphor for Vezax taking his weapon. It is amusing to see Blizzard drop these ambiguous hints. The employee making them, the WoW Lead Game Designer, would most certainly know more than he's letting on.
So if people are looking for hints, you could derive them from some of the out-of-place naming on some of Vezax's items. [Vestments of the Piercing Light] and [Belt of Clinging Hope]. Vezax also drops a special Paladin thematic item, [Libram of the Sacred Shield] and the [Flare of the Heavens] . Couple all that with Aesuga, and the idea of Vezax battling a Paladin-themed Tyr in his room doesn't seem all that far fetched.
Whether speculation like that is plausible or not, the concept of Tyr linking Uldum to Ulduar would work very nicely.
Last edited by Tyrian : 09/01/09 at 3:32 PM.
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09/01/09, 2:48 PM
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#5106
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Druid
Burning Legion
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Originally Posted by Goatbert
I'm usually ok with Blizzard's lore bandaids but this one just kinda pisses me off. Supposing this is true and not just an excuse for forgetting - we couldn't get a hint in game? Maybe a /yell or some loot that hints at his origin? Plus, all the other watchers were corrupted and didn't turn into Faceless ones, though Tyr did go whereever he went willingly. But we know Faceless ones, we've seen them all over the place and its never been suggested they were corrupted versions of other beings.
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Well, if we really went extensive ... Ve is a brother of Odin ... and Zax is a 'put holes in the roof' kind of thing .. Tyr is the Norse god(son of Odin) of war and justice,... so put the two together, we get the Brother of Odin who is a fan of putting holes in the roof?
A bit of a stretch with the limited definitions I have offhand, but it seems an interesting coincidence that Ve is as related to Odin as Tyr is. Anyone have any other insights that my limited 'between calls at work' research allows? It may be hidden, but it doesn't mean it's not there.
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/sanfordandson 'buh buh bway nuh ... buh buh bway nuh bwuh nay bwuh'
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09/01/09, 3:44 PM
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#5107
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Great Tiger
Worgen Druid
Blade's Edge
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Originally Posted by Camaris
The Water Elemental Camp could be friendlies. Or as friendly as Duke Hydraxis was.
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For the concept maps yellow boxes are used for mob camps, white circles are neutral bases (apparently none , red circles are Horde bases and blue circles are Alliance bases. The only 2 places with neutral camps seem to be Deephom with the Earthen and Twilight Highlands with the Red Dragons. Uldum may have some since no bases are even labeled on that map.

Originally Posted by Bierzkrieg
While I love that big old cow and blame Blizzard for not giving him even a slight role in transpiring events - plus hideous gear - I'm all for Cairne dying. Preferably in a blaze of glory, such as squishing half of Garrosh's elite guard before finally getting overpowered.
Back to Thrall-Garrosh: with Med'han perfectly incarnating (even now) the Aspect of Magic - Malygos is even hinted not to have had any kind of influence over non-arcane magic - that leaves us to know if Thrall will indeed "lose" his post as Warchief by joining the Council of Tirisfal and maybe even becoming the new Guardian. That's my opinion. In the screen published here, he was wearing quite the castery gear, kilt and all. Clearly, those aren't prisoner clothes the SI:7 made him put on (I still find it hard to believe they can force him to do anything). So he does seem to be joining the Council - an insurrection would be hard to believe, he's got a lot of influence over old warlords and overlords like Saurfang, trying a coup would probably end with the orcs' decimation rather than Thrall's demotion - which might mean Rehgar dies. As to his promotion to Guardian: pardon my orc fandom, but if you can think of someone more messiah-like, unifying and all-around powerful, I'm all for hearing about that being. Hell, I'll vote for him.
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It is possible that the person who made the leak misinterpreted the part about who kills Cairne also. For example the goblins weren't enslaved by Deathwing but the story had them being enslaved by trolls in the past so maybe the person who got the info just made up his own story to fill in the part he didn't have about the goblins.
A good way to create more reason for war and to explain the wall at the entrance to Mulgore could be that Varian's forces invaded Mulgore and killed Cairne for example before being fought back.
Originally Posted by Tinwhisker
I always thought Turalyon was being saved as well, not for a redesigned Outlands, but for one of those "other worlds" that were one of the hot topics of TBC. I could very much see him being set up as leader of some group serving as the antithesis of the Burning Legion, that is they travel from world to world, liberating it's denizens from the Burning Legion or any other force that has conquered them. Culminating with Turalyon spearheading an assault against Sargeras with the aid of the Naaru/Titans/etc.
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When TBC was announced we were supposed to see the portals in Outland used to go to Legion worlds and meet them but that never happened. When WotLK was announced they then mentioned that they would patch in the Legion worlds where we would at least meet Alleria at the end of the TBC cycle or shortly after WotLK release but they once again didn't (least not yet) do that. Wonder if they will ever get to having us see at least one of them.

Originally Posted by Tyrian
Tyr would be a suitable endboss (or central figure) for the Halls of Origination in Uldum. It might not take place in quite the epic-25 man setting people would like, but it would help tie Uldum and Ulduar together.
I was a little disappointed to learn that Uldum wouldn't feature a 25-man raid. The Titan story arc is epic. An Egyptian architecture framed Titan instance would be a pleasure to raid in, just like Ulduar was. At the risk of sounding a little silly, we have often joked about 'How did General Vezax get into his room, was he lowered in through the ceiling?' Well perhaps the broken ceiling was where Tyr escaped out of, to extrapolate on Valnoth's post. If that was indeed his room.
You can try to make the connection from hints Blizzard dropped at Blizzcon. Uldum houses a rumoured superweapon. Tyr is missing from Ulduar. All the Tyr's fellow watchers were corrupted by Yogg-Saron. General Vezax (may) have have invaded his room. What could you do if you were in Tyr's position?
Escape and head to Uldum to the superweapon, as perhaps the only means of stopping Yogg-Saron. As for whether he ever got to it, activated and/or attempted to use it - would be where the story would continue in Cataclysm. Tyr might have been captured by Deathwing and the Twilight Hammer before he could get to the weapon, he could still be a good guy. Theres many possibilities for where his story direction could go.
General Vezax drops [Aesuga, Hand of the Ardent Champion] and has a bunch of items with names pertaining to light/hope/despair. Although Vezax could very well be Tyr, I'd be more tempted to believe Vezax battled Tyr in his room but he escaped through the roof. The "Aesuga, Hand of the Ardent Champion" might be a little easter egg and indication that when we see Tyr again in Uldum, he'll be missing the hand which Vezax ate off, or the (to paraphrase part of Valnoths post), Or perhaps it's just a metaphor for Vezax taking his weapon. It is amusing to see Blizzard drop these ambiguous hints. The employee making them, the WoW Lead Game Designer, would most certainly know more than he's letting on.
So if people are looking for hints, you could derive them from some of the out-of-place naming on some of Vezax's items. [Vestments of the Piercing Light] and [Belt of Clinging Hope]. Vezax also drops a special Paladin thematic item, [Libram of the Sacred Shield] and the [Flare of the Heavens] . Couple all that with Aesuga, and the idea of Vezax battling a Paladin-themed Tyr in his room doesn't seem all that far fetched.
Whether speculation like that is plausible or not, the concept of Tyr linking Uldum to Ulduar would work very nicely.
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Will be interesting to see him possibly play a big part in Uldum. With the location of Uldum being so close to Ahn'Qiraj then it may even play out that the place had/has some connection to C'Thun also.
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09/01/09, 3:56 PM
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#5108
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Bald Bull
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I don't think Blizzard would have planned this in advance: but they could now say the Gates to Uldum we see in Tanaris where broken because thats where Tyr broke in. (After his escape from Ulduar)
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09/01/09, 5:19 PM
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#5109
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Great Tiger
Worgen Druid
Blade's Edge
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Originally Posted by Tyrian
I don't think Blizzard would have planned this in advance: but they could now say the Gates to Uldum we see in Tanaris where broken because thats where Tyr broke in. (After his escape from Ulduar)
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They already mentioned that the path to Uldum broke open due to the Catacylsm.
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09/01/09, 5:22 PM
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#5110
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Von Kaiser
Undead Death Knight
Sporeggar (EU)
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Originally Posted by Ashen
And where did you get this irrefutable, conclusive information? If I recall correctly, didn't Metzen note that Malygos wasn't about to be replaced by someone/something that wasn't a dragon?
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Actually I seem to remember him saying something along the lines of "Who said the next Aspect of Magic had to have scales?" in response to the whole "So is it going to be Kalecgos or some other blue?" line of questioning.
Seriously, Med'an can use shamanism, arcane magic and holy magic at an instinctual level and with little-to-no formal training. Throw in his... mixed bloodline and the fact that most people seem to be assuming that he's going to end up as the next Guardian and it's a perfect set-up for someone to chuck him the Heart of Magic instead.
This also then neatly ties up the loose ends of "Why would Thrall be Guardian when Med'an is clearly a better candidate?". As to why Thrall could step down as Warchief and take up the mantle of Guardian, I'm going to guess that it's going to be some sort of "We need a Guardian right now" emergency and Thrall doing the Right Thing (instead of the smart thing).
Last edited by Itzena : 09/01/09 at 7:28 PM.
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09/01/09, 5:32 PM
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#5111
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Bald Bull
Night Elf Warrior
Sargeras
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I agree with Itzena's interpretation. There was a mention of Malygos and his effects on magi in the last issue of Warcraft, I thought of it as foreshadowing myself for something other then just an excuse to include other casters into the newly formed Council of Tirisfal.
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What is the most important thing to you? Won't you grant me the pleasure of taking it away.
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09/01/09, 5:37 PM
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Bald Bull
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They already mentioned that the path to Uldum broke open due to the Catacylsm.
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No. Unless i'm mistaken, they mentioned that Uldum was revealed due to the Cataclysm breaking its Titan cloaking machinery. The door in Tanaris before it, which was shattered and been in the game for 5 years, doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what was said about Uldum getting revealed by the Cataclysm.
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09/01/09, 5:38 PM
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#5113
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Von Kaiser
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EDIT: Sorry, redundant post.
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09/01/09, 6:26 PM
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#5115
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Bald Bull
Night Elf Warrior
Sargeras
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Originally Posted by Duilliath
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Unless it's Kisirani, you really shouldn't put much stock, if any into any of the Community Managers that post about anything related to lore, they most of the time just say stuff to cause discussion and speculation, and none of it is set in stone, and half the time it's not serious, like said thread.
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What is the most important thing to you? Won't you grant me the pleasure of taking it away.
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