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10/08/09, 2:45 PM
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#5941
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Great Tiger
Worgen Druid
Blade's Edge
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Originally Posted by Melthu
Of course, it's just speculation into what Jaina believes, but perhaps Tirion was wrong or hiding something when he destroyed Arthas' heart.
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Or it's just that she is a woman that refuses to accept that the person she once loved is gone.
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10/08/09, 6:53 PM
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#5942
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Great Tiger
Night Elf Hunter
Moonglade (EU)
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Originally Posted by Swarly
-I'd agree that Thassarian is a likely candidate to show up in ICC, however the human DK model is lacking the distinct markings that Thassarian has on his face so I doubt it's him.
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Aren't they currently on The Skybreaker and Orgrim's Hammer? Having the two (who are best friends, as far as the DK starting quests seem to hint) fight each other (willingly or not) would add some depth to the otherwise boring faction bickerings in IC.
Although, in some extreme circumstances, Darion does seem to recall them from their assigned posts, so they may actually take part in the final push.
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Originally Posted by XI-
In summary, TBC raiding is easy. 9/10 encounters can be summarized with 1 phrase. Stay out of the fucking fire. If this is too difficult BWL was still there last I checked, so go have at it for some practice.
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Originally Posted by Kaubel
You people are idiots
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Guilty as charged ^
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10/08/09, 6:59 PM
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#5943
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Enova
Aren't they currently on The Skybreaker and Orgrim's Hammer? Having the two (who are best friends, as far as the DK starting quests seem to hint) fight each other (willingly or not) would add some depth to the otherwise boring faction bickerings in IC.
Although, in some extreme circumstances, Darion does seem to recall them from their assigned posts, so they may actually take part in the final push.
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Eh, I don't think any member of the Ebon Blade has any true loyalty to the Alliance or Horde. Them partaking in any way over the conflict at hand wouldn't make any sense.
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10/08/09, 7:11 PM
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#5944
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Honorary Toastr
Night Elf Priest
Dragonblight
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Originally Posted by Talanik
Eh, I don't think any member of the Ebon Blade has any true loyalty to the Alliance or Horde. Them partaking in any way over the conflict at hand wouldn't make any sense.
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Eh? Thassarian seems loyal to the Alliance.
He says the following for an Alliance Quest:
"All I ever wished was to serve my king once again. For humanity, against a common enemy. Instead, I find that our numbers have been infiltrated by cultist scum.... and all of the signs point to Naxxanar as the origin of this rot. "
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Originally Posted by arison
Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.
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10/08/09, 7:12 PM
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#5945
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Von Kaiser
Undead Death Knight
Sporeggar (EU)
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Originally Posted by Vaccine
I'd like to see a recurring character that you weren't sure what they wanted, some sort of anti-hero out for themselves, whose main goal wasn't world destruction or domination, just an opportunist, maybe a collector of artefact or someone just out for riches, perhaps a hired gun type character who would do anything for a price. Sometimes he would show up and help you out, next time you meet him (in an unrelated place) he'd be working against you for whatever reason. No redemption, no ultimate corruption, just a guy out to get his rocks off and have a comfortable retirement plan.
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Isn't that the PCs, though? 
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10/08/09, 7:23 PM
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#5946
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Great Tiger
Night Elf Hunter
Moonglade (EU)
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Originally Posted by Talanik
Eh, I don't think any member of the Ebon Blade has any true loyalty to the Alliance or Horde. Them partaking in any way over the conflict at hand wouldn't make any sense.
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They may or may not foster any loyalties towards their respective factions, but if the two would find themselves on two opposing aircraft locked in combat, I'd assume survival takes precedence over friends or 'King and Country'. Alternatively, although I highly doubt this, one could sarifice himself for his friend's survival, so at least one of them gets a shot at Arthas in the final showdown.
Why they'd still be on the ships is beyond me (maybe Darion forgot to recall them, or maybe he specifically assigned them to keep watch on the factions, or maybe they just stick around because the crewmen grew on them, whatever), but I'd call that leaving a part of ourselves in Icecrown, especially since both of them have managed to grow on me because they both seem to be more complex than most of the major actors in the Lich King story (Tirion the frustratingly righteous, Varian and Garrosh the hyper-active ten year olds with sharp instruments the size of large dogs, Muradin the blatantly undefined, and so forth)
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Originally Posted by XI-
In summary, TBC raiding is easy. 9/10 encounters can be summarized with 1 phrase. Stay out of the fucking fire. If this is too difficult BWL was still there last I checked, so go have at it for some practice.
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Originally Posted by Kaubel
You people are idiots
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Guilty as charged ^
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10/08/09, 7:32 PM
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#5947
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Great Tiger
Troll Death Knight
Mal'Ganis
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Koltira and Thassarian do indeed seem to be ambassadors and advisers more than real members of the Alliance and Horde. They still act like members of the Ebon Blade, knowing what has to be done and ignoring the petty fighting between the Alliance and Horde.
Also, while Koltira never has a falling out with the Horde of sorts, Thassarian definitely does with his quest-line in Borean.
Tirion's Gambit is really all the evidence you need that they keep their loyalty to the Ebon Blade as priority over faction loyalty, though.
As for the BE model in warrior armor and the human model in blue-themed DK starting armor, I don't believe either to be significant NPCs. When they revamp important NPCs they tend to leave them with similar hairstyle and features. Also, as mentioned before, both Thassarian and Koltira already had DK skins.
The BE is most likely a San'layn, and the human is most likely a random Ebon Blade NPC in ICC (he wears the same armor as the Ebon Blade Knights do on the quest Tirion's Gambit - Quest - World of Warcraft).
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Originally Posted by Enova
...especially since both of them have managed to grow on me because they both seem to be more complex than most of the major actors in the Lich King story...
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This is something I've noticed as well. Maybe it wasn't intended, but you can tell that the writers had a lot of fun with the Ebon Blade NPCs, as even some of the less important ones (Stefan Vadu, Lord-Commander Arete) have more interesting and fun personalities than a lot of other quest and major lore NPCs.
Their quests tend to be a lot more memorable as well. Jumping around Malykriss as a geist for Vereth the Cunning's quests was probably one of the best things in Icecrown.
On the other hand, I could just be very biased.
Last edited by Kaejin : 10/08/09 at 7:56 PM.
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Uulwi ifis halahs gag erh'ongg w'ssh.
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10/08/09, 8:49 PM
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#5948
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by ZachPruckowski
Well, it was Frostmourne which originally corrupted Arthas. And the sword and armor were orginally forged by the Burning Legion, right? Maybe there's some angle there.
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Well, to the point about Burning Legion, it seems Icecrown Raid will be devoid of anything Scarlet Crusade related or BL related. That is a bit dissapointing especially after Mal'Ganis's proclamation:
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"You'll never defeat the Lich King without my forces! I'll have my revenge on him, and you!"
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10/08/09, 9:12 PM
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#5949
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Great Tiger
Night Elf Hunter
Moonglade (EU)
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Originally Posted by Kumar
Well, to the point about Burning Legion, it seems Icecrown Raid will be devoid of anything Scarlet Crusade related or BL related. That is a bit dissapointing especially after Mal'Ganis's proclamation:
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Actually, I'd save my disappointment until after the end cinematic for the fight. For all we know, the expansion could end with the Lich King's essence dissipating away through the cracks in the citadel's ceiling, defeated but not destroyed, with Mal'Ganis watching from afar, confident in the knowledge that he could finish what we couldn't, but content with letting us fight a new Lich King a generation from now.
Okay, there's no chance in hell that will happen, but I assume the devs' statement that we won't exactly destroy the Lich King still stands, and that from a lore perspective, the current situation would greatly favor the Legion by softening the world for some upcoming invasion.
Actually, I think pretty much all the outcomes for the Lich King story favor the Legion in the long run.
- Arthas kills every living thing in the world, his armies reach their peak, and the Legion an invade, with the advantage that demons can't really bolster the Scourge any further since they can't be killed, and they can just pop back in waves.
- We defeat the Lich King soundly, but with no real enemies left, we turn on each other and become easy prey for a few, massive, simultaneously coordinated attacks on the major factions
- We narrowly defeat the Lich King and the Kegion attacks us before we can rebuild
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Originally Posted by XI-
In summary, TBC raiding is easy. 9/10 encounters can be summarized with 1 phrase. Stay out of the fucking fire. If this is too difficult BWL was still there last I checked, so go have at it for some practice.
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Originally Posted by Kaubel
You people are idiots
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Guilty as charged ^
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10/09/09, 3:37 AM
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#5950
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Bald Bull
Nyxnissa
Blood Elf Paladin
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by Enova
Actually, I'd save my disappointment until after the end cinematic for the fight. For all we know, the expansion could end with the Lich King's essence dissipating away through the cracks in the citadel's ceiling, defeated but not destroyed, with Mal'Ganis watching from afar, confident in the knowledge that he could finish what we couldn't, but content with letting us fight a new Lich King a generation from now.
Okay, there's no chance in hell that will happen, but I assume the devs' statement that we won't exactly destroy the Lich King still stands, and that from a lore perspective, the current situation would greatly favor the Legion by softening the world for some upcoming invasion.
Actually, I think pretty much all the outcomes for the Lich King story favor the Legion in the long run.
- Arthas kills every living thing in the world, his armies reach their peak, and the Legion an invade, with the advantage that demons can't really bolster the Scourge any further since they can't be killed, and they can just pop back in waves.
- We defeat the Lich King soundly, but with no real enemies left, we turn on each other and become easy prey for a few, massive, simultaneously coordinated attacks on the major factions
- We narrowly defeat the Lich King and the Kegion attacks us before we can rebuild
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You seem to be ignoring everything associated with the Cataclysm. If anything is going to weaken the world, its going to be the forces associated with Deathwing breaking free. I think an ultimate showdown with the Legion is inevitable, but I don't think Arthas is going to tie in too heavily with that.
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10/09/09, 5:13 AM
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#5951
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Great Tiger
Duilliath
Night Elf Druid
No WoW Account (EU)
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Originally Posted by Aditu
You seem to be ignoring everything associated with the Cataclysm. If anything is going to weaken the world, its going to be the forces associated with Deathwing breaking free. I think an ultimate showdown with the Legion is inevitable, but I don't think Arthas is going to tie in too heavily with that.
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And you are ignoring that, since this is yet to happen and furthered by Deathwing/Old Gods, the Legion has nothing to do with it and hence no knowledge of these upcoming events.
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Ignorance can be solved with a book. Stupidity requires a shotgun and a shovel.
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10/09/09, 5:16 AM
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#5952
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Great Tiger
Night Elf Hunter
Moonglade (EU)
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Originally Posted by Aditu
You seem to be ignoring everything associated with the Cataclysm. If anything is going to weaken the world, its going to be the forces associated with Deathwing breaking free. I think an ultimate showdown with the Legion is inevitable, but I don't think Arthas is going to tie in too heavily with that.
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It's an intended oversight on my part; the Legion doesn't know Deathwing will suddenly make his move; or, at least, it didn't know it the moment Mal'Ganis made those threats. At that point, those are the only foreseeable outcomes and they all favor the Legion. And let's face it, it wouldn't really matter who the super-villain du jour is, as long as an eventual demon invasion catches us during our war effort or immediately after it, when we're recovering.
Edit: Slow... really slow
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Originally Posted by XI-
In summary, TBC raiding is easy. 9/10 encounters can be summarized with 1 phrase. Stay out of the fucking fire. If this is too difficult BWL was still there last I checked, so go have at it for some practice.
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Originally Posted by Kaubel
You people are idiots
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Guilty as charged ^
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10/09/09, 5:46 AM
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#5953
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King Hippo
Orc Warrior
Burning Steppes (EU)
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Do have the full 12 encounters, already? If not, Mal'ganis is still a possibility. His threat (Blizzard's) seemed serious enough that it wasn't empty. Perhaps after we fight...well, any boss, but I'll suggest the Cult of the Damned leader, just for kicks and the presence of the Ashen Verdict forces, he and a band of Scarlet Onslaught loonies (and I mean it, make them a bare-chested, two-handed weapons wielding, berseking lot) invade the citadel. The Ashens fight the goons and we have to take on the Dreadlord.
Not that I fancy this possibility too much. I'm not exactly a demon fan, and Jaraxxus was enough of a demonic intrusion into an undead environment for me.
On the next demonic invasion, I don't think (and hope not) Blizzard will repeat itself in almost justaposing events. The Cataclysm will take place soon after we beat Arthas, while we're still mourning Saurfang's death (sorry :p) and its goal is precisely to catch us at the worst possible moment. But it gets tiring, all these villains one after another. Let the world flourish for a bit (albeit probably under a war between Horde and Alliance). I love the sound of thriving civilizations being Chaos Bolted.
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10/09/09, 6:41 AM
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#5954
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Bald Bull
Night Elf Warrior
Sargeras
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The beginning of this entire adventure we've been on ultimate started in WC3 with the Legion's invasion, they were the big threat and are pretty much indirectly responsible for everything since then: The Lich King, Illidan, Outland's state, Sunwell. I'd separate WC 1 & 2 from WC3 entirely, because even if the Horde was a highly demon influence faction, it still was basically the Orcs and their allies vs the Humans and theirs. The legion was on an entirely different level, and is still a threat to all of the races in the world combined.
I have no doubt that when the game hits it's 100 lvl cap and finally comes to a close that the final expansion will be the Legion Homeworld and perhaps even Sargaras himself, which will reshape the world for Warcraft 4 and/or World of Warcraft 2.
The Old Gods have been imprisoned and are parasites, the Legion continues to obliterate worlds, even if Azeroth has held them off, it's not like the Legion's influence on this world hasn't taken its toll. If the legion somehow won in the end it wouldn't surprise me a bit.
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What is the most important thing to you? Won't you grant me the pleasure of taking it away.
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10/09/09, 6:52 AM
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#5955
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Don Flamenco
Tauren Druid
Kel'Thuzad (EU)
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Found another NPC: Aquanos with an interesting spell: Aquanos Laundry
The Model is water revenant, skin is 'RevenantwaterBlue'. Since this is definitely a "pure" water-based elemental (and not "rusty", "black" or "green") I'd say it's related to the new Vault boss, or even the boss itself (yes I know sigrie doesn't state "boss", but who knows)
Last edited by Nathanyel : 10/09/09 at 6:58 AM.
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