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Old 09/29/08, 2:34 AM   #661
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The level reqs are pretty hard to guess, though. And those are correct. (Kinda) For example, you could have inferred from the 2006 map that Sholazar may be 72-76ish, yet that wasn't the case.

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Old 09/29/08, 3:23 AM   #662
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Originally Posted by Dancing Wu Li Master View Post
Image:Northrend.JPG - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft from the Lands of Mystery book has the Northrend zones, and was released in 2006.

I'm not sure when I first saw that list, although I don't remember reading it before Wrath's announcement.
Having a map of Northrend exist and it being the focus of an expansion is another thing. Anyone can take an image from a lore book and write arbitrary zone names there.

The interesting part is this. The place where I saw real evidence that Northrend would be really the new expansion was here, in the EJ forums.

I cannot recall the name of the thread. Someone found Howling Fjord doodads (objects from the world, like tree trunks and so on) in the 2.1 patch data. They linked screenies of WoW MPQ Viewer here, and it had the objects were in the "Howling_Fjord" directory.

It's interesting to see whether such a discovery will be made here for the new expansion.

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Old 09/29/08, 4:19 AM   #663
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Sine I'm this nerd that's been collecting screenshots from alpha (when Ironforge was multilevel etc.) and always keeping an eye out for presumed leaks from the developers (like the great whiteboards from the original wow collectors edition dvd - which now it coming true with Valgarde etc. - available here: World of Warcraft Collectors Edition Maps) I'm pretty sure that the list of zones/levels above surfaced before we knew much about TBC. It might very well be an early plan from a whiteboard or something.

That Blizzard had a sketchy "grand plan" for World of Warcraft from the very beginning wouldn't be surprising, after all it's "just" 5 expansions and with the original plan to put out one of those every year it's just planing 5 years ahead.

Edit: found some sources saying that the list is from 2003 (pre-release) but of course there is no one around to confirm that.

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Old 09/29/08, 5:28 AM   #664
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Originally Posted by Psonica View Post
Edit: found some sources saying that the list is from 2003 (pre-release) but of course there is no one around to confirm that.
The list is "supposedly" from 2003, but it never appeared anywhere before September 2007, after Blizzard had announced the expansion, and confirmed the zones.

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Old 09/29/08, 8:39 AM   #665
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There's a huge quest chain in Icecrown that starts with the usual - destroy lots of Arthas' minions and liutenants (half require a group) but now it's taken an interesting twist. After you fell into the Forgotten Depths after a bombing mission goes awry, you find a spectre of a little human boy in there who tells you need to smear yourself in the blood of the faceless ones if you want to avoid "him" seeing you. At the moment I have no idea who "he" is.

After that, you're sent to repair a broken siege vehicle and wreak havoc (170ish kills) and the boy appears again, this time telling you that what you're doing is completely futile and asks you to meet him at the First Legion camp - apparently the troops that accompanied Arthas to Icecrown. The camp of course, is devastated. And the boy will show you how it happened...

You jump into the body of Arthas and appear back in time, with a commander of the legion asking you: "Are you going to talk to the men?", but Arthas doesn't just talk to them... he massacres the whole legion by his own hands and raises them as ghouls (the quest objective is to raise 100 ghouls).

Now, we hamper Arthas' Frostbrood wyrm production. Apparently "him" is Arthas since the boy tells me not to anger him since he's not just a prince anymore, he's the king!

Time for answers... but first we have to fulfill his destiny and beat Illidan in a fight.

Apparently after merging with Ner'Zul, Arthas tore out his heart and threw it in the pit near Icecrown Citadel, landing it in the Forgotten Depths. Now he could no longer bleed, nor feel pity or remorse.

This should lead to the quest where Tirion destroys his heart, but why? His heart was the only thing keeping him human.

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Old 09/29/08, 10:39 AM   #666
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Originally Posted by Tacitus View Post
There's a huge quest chain in Icecrown that starts with the usual - destroy lots of Arthas' minions and liutenants (half require a group) but now it's taken an interesting twist. After you fell into the Forgotten Depths after a bombing mission goes awry, you find a spectre of a little human boy in there who tells you need to smear yourself in the blood of the faceless ones if you want to avoid "him" seeing you. At the moment I have no idea who "he" is.

After that, you're sent to repair a broken siege vehicle and wreak havoc (170ish kills) and the boy appears again, this time telling you that what you're doing is completely futile and asks you to meet him at the First Legion camp - apparently the troops that accompanied Arthas to Icecrown. The camp of course, is devastated. And the boy will show you how it happened...

You jump into the body of Arthas and appear back in time, with a commander of the legion asking you: "Are you going to talk to the men?", but Arthas doesn't just talk to them... he massacres the whole legion by his own hands and raises them as ghouls (the quest objective is to raise 100 ghouls).

Now, we hamper Arthas' Frostbrood wyrm production. Apparently "him" is Arthas since the boy tells me not to anger him since he's not just a prince anymore, he's the king!

Time for answers... but first we have to fulfill his destiny and beat Illidan in a fight.

Apparently after merging with Ner'Zul, Arthas tore out his heart and threw it in the pit near Icecrown Citadel, landing it in the Forgotten Depths. Now he could no longer bleed, nor feel pity or remorse.

This should lead to the quest where Tirion destroys his heart, but why? His heart was the only thing keeping him human.
This has been discussed over the past few pages. The questline ends with Tirion destroying the Heart of Arthas after meeting Lich King and determining there is no redemption left.

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Old 09/29/08, 11:13 AM   #667
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
This has been discussed over the past few pages. The questline ends with Tirion destroying the Heart of Arthas after meeting Lich King and determining there is no redemption left.
Yeah, I recall the end quest being discussed, but not the quest chain itself.

This expansion is set to be one of the greatest things to release this year.

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Old 09/29/08, 12:09 PM   #668
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It's interesting that the upcoming WoW book, Night of the Dragon, will discuss what's going on in Grim Batol. Setup for future incursions, perhaps? Probably not during the WotLK content cycle, but it's clear they still have some plans for that place.

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Old 09/29/08, 12:30 PM   #669
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Krasus' Copper Coin is another hint that they haven't forgotten it. Of course there's nothing to indicate the age of the coin, so it could just be a reference to when the Orcs had the Reds enslaved.

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Old 09/29/08, 4:02 PM   #670
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In regards to the emerald dream spoilers (WOW Insider After watching the videos, I'm pretty underwhelmed. The emerald dream phasing effect is pretty lackluster, even compared to existing phasing effects (i.e., bashir landing daily), the quest itself seems like a simple kill x quest, and it doesn't seem like there is any lore beyond quest text- no awesome cinematic, not even a simple scripted event.

I would have loved to have seen:
a sweeping cinematic entrance/tour into the dream (ala orb in magisters terrace),
an in-dreamphasing effect that made the existing landscape seem more terrifying and nightmarish,
at a minimum, a wrangling style quest, or a shartuul style pet/summoning style event,
a scripted-npc event, similar to the nagrand/thrall event, or even similar to the stormwind onyxia event,
some recognition by NPC druids thoughout the world after completion. AFFIK, very few folks have successfully entered and returned from the dream, especially now that its corruputed... and now every adventurer just strolls through and collects some blues at the other end??

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Old 09/29/08, 4:10 PM   #671
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Originally Posted by aleyro View Post
In regards to the emerald dream spoilers (WOW Insider After watching the videos, I'm pretty underwhelmed. The emerald dream phasing effect is pretty lackluster, even compared to existing phasing effects (i.e., bashir landing daily), the quest itself seems like a simple kill x quest, and it doesn't seem like there is any lore beyond quest text- no awesome cinematic, not even a simple scripted event.

I would have loved to have seen:
a sweeping cinematic entrance/tour into the dream (ala orb in magisters terrace),
an in-dreamphasing effect that made the existing landscape seem more terrifying and nightmarish,
at a minimum, a wrangling style quest, or a shartuul style pet/summoning style event,
a scripted-npc event, similar to the nagrand/thrall event, or even similar to the stormwind onyxia event,
some recognition by NPC druids thoughout the world after completion. AFFIK, very few folks have successfully entered and returned from the dream, especially now that its corruputed... and now every adventurer just strolls through and collects some blues at the other end??
It doesn't have any of that because its nothing more than a minor quest in a chain. The chain is about going to various powerful good beings and asking for their aid in healing this plagued crusader. The part at Moonglade is Remulous asking you to just grab an acorn real quick and GTFO before things go awry. I could understand if the whole questline was about the Dream, but this is a minor connection at best.

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Old 09/29/08, 4:13 PM   #672
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Yea.. I mean, I was somewhat disappointed too, but it's not like this was a big hyped-up quest or something, just a stop in a bigger chain.

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Old 09/29/08, 4:15 PM   #673
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I guess what i'm saying is, i'm suprised its just a minor plot point. Back in vanilla wow, there wasn't a quest that said, "Hey, just run to outland and grab some nether vortex, ktnx!", and in BC, there isn't a quest that says "hey, can you go to northrend for a sec, we hear those dwarfs have leet brew skills!". It just seems weird to me that we are just casually zoning in to a plot point that has been cooking since like, lvl 10 night elf starting zone quests.

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Old 09/29/08, 4:41 PM   #674
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I haven't seen this mentioned, but The Broken Front in Icecrown isn't just the result of the Alliance being beaten back by the Scourge. The Orgim's hammer quests reveal the Horde actually saw them fighting the Scourge there and attacked their rear. There's a followup to kill some wounded alliance soildiers.

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Old 09/29/08, 4:58 PM   #675
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Originally Posted by Liebestod View Post
It's interesting that the upcoming WoW book, Night of the Dragon, will discuss what's going on in Grim Batol. Setup for future incursions, perhaps? Probably not during the WotLK content cycle, but it's clear they still have some plans for that place.
From my understanding, that book is supposed to explain the Blue Dragon Flight's reasoning in Wrath of the Lich King.

Krasus' old coin in Dalaran was referring to when Alexstrazsa was held in Grim Batol.

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